Open 184: Friends and Enemies Mafia (Over)

[saberwolf]

vote: Netopalis

Being number 7 isn't so lucky in my opinion.

[saberwolf]

I think that the masons should either claim day 2 or day 3, so that it reduces the odds for town's favour in picking off scum. For those of us that are town, it turns the game from a 1 in 3 chance to a 1 in 2 chance of hitting scum, and the scum are forced to NK the masons in a game of catch up while we freely scumhunt.

Further proof as to why this would be effective:

The following are worst case scenarios for town:

Day 1: A,B,C claim masons, we lynch VT, 11 left
Night 1: A dies, 10 left
Day 2: we lynch VT, 9 left
Night 2: B dies, 8 left
Day 3: we lynch VT, 7 left
Night 3: C dies, 6 left
Day 4: LYLO, we lynch VT, 5 left
Night 4: some VT dies, 4 left, scum win

Day 1: we lynch a VT, 11 left
Night 1: A dies, 10 left
Day 2: B and C claim, we lynch VT, 9 left
Night 2: B dies, 8 left
Day 3: we lynch VT, 7 left
Night 3: C dies, 6 left
Day 4: LYLO, we lynch VT, 5 left
Night 4: some VT dies, 4 left, scum win

on a better light, but still worst case scenario:

Day 1: we lynch VT, 11 left
Night 1: VT dies, 10 left
Day 2: A,B,C claim masons, we lynch VT, 9 left
Night 2: B dies, 8 left
Day 3: we lynch VT, 7 left
Night 3: C dies, 6 left
Day 4: LYLO, we have A, VT*3, Scum*2, we lynch VT
Night 4: some A dies, 4 left, scum win


Day 1: we lynch a VT, 11 left
Night 1: VT dies, 10 left
Day 2: we lynch VT, 9 left
Night 2: B dies, 8 left
Day 3: A and C claim, we lynch VT, 7 left
Night 3: C dies, 6 left
Day 4: LYLO, left with A, VT*3, scum*2, we lynch VT, 5 left
Night 4: A dies, 4 left, scum win

on a better note:

Day 1: we lynch a VT, 11 left
Night 1: VT dies, 10 left
Day 2: we lynch VT, 9 left
Night 2: VT dies, 8 left
Day 3: A B and C claim, we lynch VT, 7 left
Night 3: C dies, 6 left
Day 4: LYLO, left with A, B VT*2, scum*2, we lynch VT, 5 left
Night 4: A dies, 4 left, scum win

The odds of all three masons making it to day 4 are very slim, so the claim has to come day 2 min, day 3 max, or when one is close to lynch or is NKed.

Discuss.

[saberwolf]

Odds we lynch a mason day 1: 25%
Odds a mason is NKed night 1: 27%

Odds we lynch a mason day 2: 30%
Odds a mason is NKed night 2: 33%

Odds we lynch a mason day 3: 38%
Odds a mason is NKed night 3: 43%

Odds we lynch a mason day 4: 50%
Odds a mason is NKed night 4: 60%

all numbers were rounded, always assuming all masons live to that time period

[saberwolf]

@ farside: There are too many scenarios for me to post, and it would do little good to do so. I just showed the worst case so that we see the consequences of each act.

[saberwolf]

@Farside: Are you scum?

[saberwolf]

My stats are wrong. I accidentally included scum in the calculations. Here are the correct ones:


Odds we lynch a mason day 1: 25%
Odds a mason is NKed night 1: 30%

Odds we lynch a mason day 2: 30%
Odds a mason is NKed night 2: 43%

Odds we lynch a mason day 3: 38%
Odds a mason is NKed night 3: 60%

Odds we lynch a mason day 4: 50%
Odds a mason is NKed night 4: 100%

Odds all 3 masons live to day 2: 55%
Odds all 3 masons live to day 3: 47% ME, E 26%
Odds all 3 masons live to day 4: 35% ME, E 9%

Odds 2 masons live to day 2: 92%
Odds 2 masons live to day 3: 40% ME, E 0%
Odds 2 masons live to day 4: 25% ME, E 0%

No sense doing 1 mason, as the claim has to be while at least 2 are still alive

ME= Mutually Exclusive, meaning looking at it as not affected by the results of past days
E = Exclusive, meaning previous days weigh in and are a factor

[saberwolf]

@Farside: Are you scum?

No. Are you scum?
There is only one player I really know in this game and I'm confronting him head on to determine his allignment hence my vote and question.

No, I am not scum.

Do you really think he's going to tell you even if he was? Pointless question really.

[saberwolf]

@Farside: Are you scum?

No. Are you scum?
There is only one player I really know in this game and I'm confronting him head on to determine his allignment hence my vote and question.

No, I am not scum.

Do you really think he's going to tell you even if he was? Pointless question really.

It's all in how he anwsers and what he says when he gets online.

Shouldn't have told me that...

[saberwolf]

@Farside: Are you scum?

No. Are you scum?

There is only one player I really know in this game and I'm confronting him head on

to determine his allignment hence my vote and question.

I know this isn't rocket science but really I did say already what I'm trying to do.

so now that you've tipped him off once he reads this, it means nothing.

[saberwolf]

so now that you've tipped him off once he reads this, it means nothing.

mwahahaha

vote saber

I'll assume that's the evil laugh of an excited townie ready to start yet another game

[saberwolf]

unvote; vote: DLA

For giving a wishy washy reason for his vote, allowing him to have a back door in case the vote goes bad.

Hiya all!

Vote: kikuchiyo

Seems the most scummy so far... But I guess I can't base anything on

1.5 pages

two posts talking about past games...

Fixed

[saberwolf]

unvote; vote: DLA

For giving a wishy washy reason for his vote, allowing him to have a back door in case the vote goes bad.

Hiya all!

Vote: kikuchiyo

Seems the most scummy so far... But I guess I can't base anything on

1.5 pages

two posts talking about past games...

Fixed

How do you know what he meant to say? Why are you putting words in his mouth?
Mind you most people do RVS and his comments is meh but I don't like when people assume comments like this.

I'm not putting words in his mouth, I just made the statement more accurate. Saying 1.5 pages worth implies that she posts a lot more. Stating her actual post count is better descriptive, and shows how little he has to accuse her on. The discussing previous games is also accurate, as that is all kik has talked about thus far, or do you see something else to argue over?

[saberwolf]

Sorry guys but i will not be able to post a Vote count today sorry.

*facepalm*

Wouldn't take you more than 2 minutes Mod, only like 3 more people have showed up so far....

Vote Count

Toro - (Netopalis)
hewitt -
Yarmond -
Albert B. Rampage - (farside22)
Ellibereth -
Shotty to the Body -
Netopalis -
kikuchiyo -
Konowa - (Shotty to the Body)
DarkLightA - (saberwolf, kikuchiyo)
farside22 - (Ellibereth)
Saberwolf - (Albert B. Rampage)

not voting - DarklightA, Konowa, Yarmond, hewitt, Toro

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is December 11th 5:00PM

[saberwolf]

@ Hewitt: why haven't you voted yet?

FoS: Hewitt

[saberwolf]

@ Hewitt: why haven't you voted yet?

FoS: Hewitt

*Sighs* I don't random vote. Only done it once, never doing it again.

Thats very anti-town of you really. The RVS is supposed to help us move things along by picking things up and seeing BWs form and etc etc.

By not voting you are attempting to avoid responsibility and it just makes me want to vote for you cause it seems scummy.

If you refuse to vote I shall have to vote for you.

[saberwolf]

Thats very anti-town of you really. The RVS is supposed to help us move things along by picking things up and seeing BWs form and etc etc.

By not voting you are attempting to avoid responsibility and it just makes me want to vote for you cause it seems scummy.

If you refuse to vote I shall have to vote for you.

Really because my history of not voting shows that it helps spark conversation and gauge reactions of other players very well. Basically you're saying players who don't random vote are scummy, and that's just silly.

they are scummy, because they're trying to avoid responsibility for votes they would otherwise have to place. So when DO you decide to vote?

[saberwolf]

In a change of heart, I <3 hewitt, and I no longer feel the need to pressure him.

Discuss

[saberwolf]

I was just explaining something to saber. I now realize that I was (probably) wrong about accusing you.

dogmatic = scummy or VI

you chose not to be dogmatic, so I respect that

unvote

[saberwolf]

In fact saber was chainsaw defending just as much as me.

....

....

unvote;

vote DarkLightA

Are you claiming scum with saber here?

If anything, he's simply trying to get the attention off of himself by pointing out someone who he feels can be redirected to as scummier, or just as scummy, for supossedly the same actions. That's how I see it anyways.

[saberwolf]

Lack of vote fails to impress me.

who me? I did have a vote, but I took it off for reasons I thought were valid.

If you are so concerned about it though, I'd be happy to make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside:

vote: konowa

I haven't had enough posts by everyone or enough content to pick out any scum yet, so you'll have to do.

[saberwolf]

I don't get it. I'm scummy because I didn't have a vote on somebody? :S

[saberwolf]

Why?

QFT

[saberwolf]

Why?

I think saber is scummier at the moment.[/quote

This is enough for now to confirm Konowa as town for me.

[saberwolf]

Konowa has a unique meta when it comes to me.

Konowa as town has always voted for me and finds some excuse to vote for me in the RVS.

He also likes to vote without real reason, one of his town tells. If he was scum, he'd have built up a better case before he attacked me.

[saberwolf]

so you're admitting to waiting for backing before committing? That's not very pro-town of you.

I agree with the fact that it seems only select people are talking.

[saberwolf]

so you're admitting to waiting for backing before committing? That's not very pro-town of you.

I agree with the fact that it seems only select people are talking.

Expand on that, my general.

Konowa said that he wasn't sure whether or not to switch his vote. He then goes to say that kik's voting for me helped push his vote onto me. What else made him switch his vote I have yet to hear, so basically that's like him admitting he was waiting to see if the BW would get any backing before he pushed it.

As for the second part, it is clear that the same people are doing all the talking. Konowa and I both seem to realise this, thus my agreement with him.

Also, as for my meta explanation, my concept may seemed far-fetched, but the notion that konowa came into this game knowing id label him as town if he voted for me is even more far fetched.

[saberwolf]

107 makes me want to lynch saber even more.

wtf? lol

I fail to see why in any light.

[saberwolf]

I love you all.

<3

[saberwolf]

I think DL always acts this way...and I still don't understand post 74 at all.

In general, I also don't get the big deal with the chainsaw defense thing.

@Sabre: What's the big deal about not RVing? Why is being dogmatic scummy?

I find the whole thing confirming Konowa as town due to him voting Sabre is ridiculous.

Unvote, Vote Saber

Being dogmatic is to assume that you are always right, and do not care to change your views on the matter. That is anti-town for this game, and the fact that he decided not to be dogmatic on the issue gave me the feeling to unvote him for at least allowing himself to see another person's view.

I don't expect you to get the Konowa meta, but it's something I've just personally seen him do always as town so I'm following with it.

[saberwolf]

I took my vote off DLA because I was happy to see that he wasn't being dogmatic in his views. Konowa essentially complained about my lack of vote, so to please him I voted for him, just to have my vote somewhere.

[saberwolf]

I took my vote off for reasons I thought were valid. Konowa's vote was to just maintain my smartass status. I'm not taking my focus off of DLA just because I unvoted, but I'm not really chasing Konowa either. Just think of it as I no longer thought I had a good enough reason to keep the vote on DLA, and essentially am not voting.

[saberwolf]

I had yet to decide whether or not I wanted to switch my vote. kikuchiyo understanding instantly what I meant and voting saber did play a small part in my decision. I, however, decided that between DLA and saber that saber was scummier to me at the moment. I think that DLA is also scummy and needs a good wagon, but I like my vote where it is right now.

Why do I feel like there is only five or six of us talking?

Wanting someone to back you up is scummy.

so you're admitting to waiting for backing before committing? That's not very pro-town of you.

I agree with the fact that it seems only select people are talking.

so you're admitting to waiting for backing before committing? That's not very pro-town of you.

I agree with the fact that it seems only select people are talking.

Expand on that, my general.

Konowa said that he wasn't sure whether or not to switch his vote. He then goes to say that kik's voting for me helped push his vote onto me. What else made him switch his vote I have yet to hear, so basically that's like him admitting he was waiting to see if the BW would get any backing before he pushed it.

As for the second part, it is clear that the same people are doing all the talking. Konowa and I both seem to realise this, thus my agreement with him.

Also, as for my meta explanation, my concept may seemed far-fetched, but the notion that konowa came into this game knowing id label him as town if he voted for me is even more far fetched.

QFT

[saberwolf]

keeping him around doesnt exactly halp in lylo either :/

unvote; vote: Yarmond

Drunken vote FTW!

[saberwolf]

but bringing him any further in the game as a no show doesnt help, is what I'm saying.

[saberwolf]

but bringing him any further in the game as a no show doesnt help, is what I'm saying.

[saberwolf]

who would you support in a lynch if not any lurkers then? Who stands out to you that is active and why?

[saberwolf]

I just said I'm fine with a Yarmond lynch but at the same time there's that nagging in the back of my head like damn...we're probably not going to hit scum here. And of course that would bother me.

QFT.

However, we are two people hewitt. We can be the difference between this lynch and another. If you really feel that somebody else needs to be lynched, and show me a good reason why to support it, I'll gladly join you in finding someone more comfortable. It's true that a lurker isn't much good for an information lynch, but a lurker doesn't help us either.

[saberwolf]

sounds good to me

vote: Albert B. Rampage

Al, please come and defend yourself against these allegations. Why should we remove our votes?

[saberwolf]

Unvote
Vote: Saber

Way to BW.

^_^

[saberwolf]

hmmmm....that was a lot to muck through. I don't think ABR's defence explanation was good enough, but I kinda like the overcompensation attack on hewitt....I guess I make a lousy vote buddy when I...

unvote

Vote: Hewitt

FoS: Saber

[saberwolf]

I'm now going for a DLA BW.

Wow. Just. Wow.

Unvote
Vote: CSL

I don't like the OMGUSness of this vote, but this does seem a little too weird.

unvote; vote: CSL

[saberwolf]

For me, this would make a great information lynch. He's trying way too hard to paint Hewitt as a good player, while at the same time trying to waffle so that he has a back door for when hewitt fips scum.

[saberwolf]

Mod: VC plz?

[saberwolf]

Well it seems then from what I'm reading that we as a majority think that CSL and Hewitt are both scummy, and maybe even both scum...so what do we do to convince the other that the other BW is the way to go?

I now have to do schoolwork, but later tonight I'llpost a case for both hopefully.

[saberwolf]

All right.

Go ahead and lynch me. Once I turn town, go for hewitt. If he ends up being town, then go for ABR, as he and hewitt made an argument. If hewitt flips scum, then ABR is town, and then go for DLA.

AtE is noted, but so are your points if you are truly town.

[saberwolf]

In that case, maybe It'd make the most sense to lynch DLA?

If DLA flips scum, I'd focus on ABR. If DLA flips town, I'd look at CSL and hewitt, but mostly hewitt.

unvote; vote: DLA

[saberwolf]

lol

I already explained in my last post why I am voting for you.

Also, you can't link me to shotty just solely by my vote. That's the third time I've followed someone onto a wagon.

[saberwolf]

lol

I already explained in my last post why I am voting for you.

Also, you can't link me to shotty just solely by my vote. That's the third time I've followed someone onto a wagon.

In that case, maybe It'd make the most sense to lynch DLA?

How is this explanation???

I like how you only took a snip of my quote and not provide the whole thing. How very scummy fo you. How about requoting, and this time provide the whole quote.

[saberwolf]

I call it out as a known fact, simply because otherwise I wouldn't be doing my job as the VI

[saberwolf]

I mean, yeah, they both suck...but CSL just sucks because he fails to follow logic where with DLA, you have to spend 15 minutes decoding what he just said....


<rant>
Honestly, I was really disappointed when I saw CSL had replaced in. I'm beginning to wonder if this game is sporting a giant sign advertising "Wanted: Everyone that I loathe playing with: Inquire within!" Not that you ALL suck, but there are certain people here that I, uh, would have preferred not to play with again.
</rant>

I feel so loved <3

[saberwolf]

So far from what I take it, we have all found each other as scum. Apparantly we are all scum. We need to sort this through and look for alignments, as there clearly are sides...

I'd do it myself, but I'm about to do a business presentation...

[saberwolf]

As I'm reading, something occurs to me.

Saber - could you please tell us your full position on CSL and whether you think his actions make the player slot likely to be scum?

Cheers.

you're looking at the wrong guy to ask anything. I don't have a case on anybody. All I have are info lynch scenarios. That and the fact the my gut doesnt trust ABR. If you look I have been very happy just to throw my vote around. I don't plan on doing any work. This is delliberate. I'm more curious to see who wins me over in a ABR/DLA/Hewitt showdown. When the dust has settled, I'll be able to draw some conclusions. Until then, I have seen everyone accused with a case up to this point, so I'm just gonna continue my game of musical votes until it gets me somewhere...I believe ABR is next.

vote: ABR

Something has to be wrong with me lol...I read your post and i was like fuck you im too lazy to do any work for your ass, but i typed this out which probably took more effort to do >.>

[saberwolf]

Just give me a gut yes or no - CSL scum or not?

oh, thats easy enough ^_^

I have to say no. It seems just too easy to be true.

[saberwolf]

I have no case on ABR, but his feeling of invincibility has me uneasy. However, I have reason to believe that he is town. I'm just vote hopping, trying to find something that I can finally lock down and go, this is why he deserves my vote.

Who haven't I voted for yet?

unvote; vote: Farside22

Your turn. I shall look at your posts and see if this is valid or not, most likely not. I should try to at least reinforce why you come off as town to me.

[saberwolf]

unvote; vote: SC

I must say I liked this one best from the beginning, and here my vote will stay for the rest of the day.

[saberwolf]

unvote; vote: SC

I must say I liked this one best from the beginning, and here my vote will stay for the rest of the day.

What are you doing? Can you not read our posts? Are you fully and completely oblivious to the arguments against you? Good grief, man, your actions today are approaching as-of-yet unseen levels of absurdity!

WHY ARE YOU SWITCHING YOUR VOTE SO OFTEN AND WITHOUT EXPLANATION, SABERWOLF?

I love this. You caught my attention and made me feel obligated to answer. Good for you

To be clear, I've always felt Neto is the biggest pro-town player we have. He is really good at putting pressure and making good posts. Do not vote for Neto.

I'm switching my vote around because I honestly don't know who to vote for. As for your second part, I have explained each vote as I have made it. You may not find the reasons detailed enough or satisfactory, but I have provided reasons.

Something about all of you is screwing up my gut reads. Normally I can pick a couple out of the list and gun for them, but its so twisted with the accusations and the amount of scummy people that I've had to vote for everyone in turn and see how my gut feels about it as I leave it there for a bit. I gotta say that neto and farside have earned my trust as town. DLA and CSL felt like good solid votes, ABR and hewitt were in the middle and hard to read. The other ppl haven't made a big enough splash for me to worry about in terms of gut votes. In the end I went back to CSL/SC

[saberwolf]

So what if Neto's voting for me? He's doing a good job of analyzing the game, and I cannot say I have seen a single scummy post of his. Are you saying that just because I have votes on me, all the people who are voting for me are scum? Of course not.

Now don't lynch Neto.

[saberwolf]

Eh, I'd replace out, but it wouldn't do anyone any good, now will it?

The only way I'd get out of this game is if I

Unvote

and quite possibly

Vote: CSL

I had fun, but there are some kinks I need to work on, and it won't do in this game

Here's your self vote. That wasn't too hard to find.

[saberwolf]

SC's big post has inspired me to

unvote; vote: shotty

[saberwolf]

Those links are nothing.

SABER'S BEST EXAMPLE[/quote]

[saberwolf]

If I suppossedly look real scummy when I play scum...why have I never lost a game as scum or SK?

[saberwolf]

I refuse to vote jump this time.

haha, surprised myself.

[saberwolf]

I just ISOed ABR, and not anywhere did I see him say that anybody in the game as being town, and has accused just about everybody of being scum, so he's really no better than the rest of us.

I also noticed a fascinating post that said you would not mislynch me and a few others, good to know

[saberwolf]

I just ISOed ABR, and not anywhere did I see him say that anybody in the game as being town, and has accused just about everybody of being scum, so he's really no better than the rest of us.

I also noticed a fascinating post that said you would not mislynch me and a few others, good to know

You are severely mistaken: I have accused three players. First Netopalis, because he accuses me of not providing evidence when, out of hypocrisy, he's not even building proper cases of his own. Second is hewitt, because he won't tell the abridged story of the twilight saga. Third is clergyman, because his secret identity is batman. Batman was scum. Everyone knows that.

It pains me that you don't read the game, saberwolf. It makes me cry in the shower at night. Only there will my tears be washed away and my manliness preserved in the cruel outside world.

you have also targetted farside, ellebreth, konowa and kik, as well as myself. oh, and DLA too

[saberwolf]

Yay for laziness!

boo for sarcasm

You just earned yourself a vote:

unvote; vote: ABR

Now I need neto to comment on this so I can switch my vote again.

[saberwolf]

woah, hewitt's in this game too? :shocked:

[saberwolf]

EBWOP

[saberwolf]

woah, hewitt's in this game too? :shocked:

Yes yes we share too many games. I just asked you a direct question in another, go answer it.

I did. I find it curious how you aren't consistent in all games too...at least I am...

[saberwolf]

woah, hewitt's in this game too? :shocked:

Honestly? Seriously? Really? Are you and Elibereth in some sort of a "Who cares the least?" competition?

no, not really, and yes, except neither of us know it yet.

[saberwolf]

Another inspirational post!

unvote; vote: DLA

[saberwolf]

You joked about bussing your partner Neto? Is that it?

Yes, I did.

So you're admitting that Neto is your partner.

On one hand, this is twisting the meaning a bit, but if he flips scum, I shall be very impressed.

[saberwolf]

SABER! You witnessed all of this. I know you did! Vote for clergyman with me and let's win us this game, whaddya say??

I did witness this, and yeah, I have a tendancy to vote where the wind blows...does this wind puff true north? I sure hope so.

unvote; vote: SC

[saberwolf]

I love the shoes. I wouldn't buy them myself, but I'd probably ask somebody to get me them for christmas.

FoS: Neto

for trying to distract me from the game

[saberwolf]

I chose to love the shoes because the thought of musical shoes appeals to me and I think they are cool. I also don't see them as being very functional, so that would be why I wouldn't personally buy them, but let somebody else buy them for me.

"Therefore, he does not automatically agree with the last statement provided to him and there is no real excuse for his play. "

I don't get it ^^^

[saberwolf]

Elibereth: You're a girl until you earn the right to have a username that confuses your physical gender with your preferred presented gender.

Saber: My test was fairly simple: You both exhibited a pattern of agreeing with the last thing that was said. Elibereth did. You didn't. That means that this sort of automatic regurgitation is no excuse for your actions - there is, apparently, at least some independent thought in there. Now, here's a trowel, a bag of potting soil and a watering can. Plant that seed of independent thought, nurture it, then eventually it will grow into something glorious.

well...I can't exactly ask someone else to give me your vote for christmas

[saberwolf]

Elibereth: You're a girl until you earn the right to have a username that confuses your physical gender with your preferred presented gender.

now, now don't quibble because he corrected you about his gender. No need to for this comment in the least.

Double FoS: Neto

, for ad hoc fallicy

[saberwolf]

DLA: your whole case is pretty BS.

[saberwolf]

quoting saber in the theme list:

/in for malthusis ' game
/in for ortolan's game
/in for budja's game

Apparently he's not taking this site seriously.

where have you been? We've been over this already, in case you didn't know

[saberwolf]

DLA: your whole case is pretty BS.

Hi pot,
Yo pot! This is kettle man. WTF are you thinking?

Hey kettle, this is pot, see any difference between you and me? How about between me and me? That's what I thought

Just because I don't have a case doesn't make my point any less valid.

Besides, how is that any different from my usual anti-town playstyle?

[saberwolf]

Besides, how is that any different from my usual anti-town playstyle?

Do NOT use that as an argument.

oh but I AM!

What now?

Get back to the game. Arguing is scummy when it's off topic.

[saberwolf]

Arguing is scummy when it's off topic.

You just called yourself scummy. You're the only one off topic.

Do NOT use the "My town-meta suggests that I play scummishly, so now when I play scummishly I can't be scum" excuse.

Ah, but I'm not. You are attempting to engage me in off topic debate. Also, I'm not claiming town meta, I'm claiming my anti-town meta. Everyone who plays me should know I have my "attempt to play and actually try" playstyle, and my "I like the game but I really rather not put too much effort into it, and if forced to I'll take the path of least resistance" playstyle. Can you guess which one this is?

unvote; vote: DLA

The winds have shifted momentarily...

[saberwolf]

Arguing is scummy when it's off topic.

You just called yourself scummy. You're the only one off topic.

Do NOT use the "My town-meta suggests that I play scummishly, so now when I play scummishly I can't be scum" excuse.

Ah, but I'm not. You are attempting to engage me in off topic debate. Also, I'm not claiming town meta, I'm claiming my anti-town meta. Everyone who plays me should know I have my "attempt to play and actually try" playstyle, and my "I like the game but I really rather not put too much effort into it, and if forced to I'll take the path of least resistance" playstyle. Can you guess which one this is?

unvote; vote: DLA

The winds have shifted momentarily...

You seem to forget that your votes don't mean anything any more. Again you're following a BW.

Nice try to disguise the vote behind reasoning. Too bad it was awful reasoning. Please supply quotes to where I got you off topic.

You tried to get me off topic. I won't let you. The last sentence is somewhat confusing and comes across as contradictory somewhat. It sounds like you are saying I am pretending to have reasoning for my vote. That's fine, but then you say my non-existant reasoning is awful, meaning I must have had some reasoning then for my vote. As for the truth, of course I have a reason, [and yes it is also awful], as I'm blantantly OMGUSing you. What do you have to say now?

Discuss.

[saberwolf]

Wasn't neto's little shoe comment putting the game off topic?

Did I also not FoS him for it?

Farside: On a less anti-town scale in comparison to me, I'd say you've also followed ABR around for the most part. Is that an accurate observation?

[saberwolf]

In that case, would you assume that ABR may be playing on your emotions towards the case in an effort to gain a mislynch? What are your thoughts towards the other BWs you supported? What about them is no longer worth chasing? [I don't want to hear why SC is more scummy, I wanna hear how the others don't amount up to SC, or in otherwords, how are they less scummy, and why.]

[saberwolf]

I'm the most anti-town player you will ever know. I am pro-Albert. And what team is Albert on now? I'll let you decide.

nuh uh, that's my title, bitch.

[saberwolf]

Awesome. Where's saber for the L-1?

Right here

unvote; vote: Neto

CLAIM OR DIE!

[saberwolf]

Don't forget saber, the biggest idiot of the bunch

[saberwolf]

I'm satisfied with that claim. As long as you are not a mason I'm fine with the lynch. It improves our odds of keeping them together and pulling a full force mason claim. Anti-town of me? Of course, to a degree, but it has come to the point where everybody is attacking everybody, and I don't think anybody is on anybody's side anymore, the ultimate bussing I've ever seen. I'm tired of running in circles.

[saberwolf]

I'm satisfied with that claim. As long as you are not a mason I'm fine with the lynch. It improves our odds of keeping them together and pulling a full force mason claim. Anti-town of me? Of course, to a degree, but it has come to the point where everybody is attacking everybody, and I don't think anybody is on anybody's side anymore, the ultimate bussing I've ever seen. I'm tired of running in circles.

So instead of lynching a useless player who isn't going to help us at all (kiku, Ellibereth, DLA) tomorrow you're lynching a player who actively contributes. That's a great idea saber.

We get more info from a neto lynch then we do a kik one for example. Lynching a lurker does us no good for day 2 as a town flip. We then result to the same old debate as we had today. At least with a one side flip of this battle we see sides start to form and draw better conclusions.

[saberwolf]

I dunno about SC, it could go either way, but I'd like to assume it would clear ABR if he flips scum.

[saberwolf]

oops, i misread kik's post. I have no idea if it would clear ABR if he flipped town, but the fact that neto has yet to say anything along the lines of "you idiots, you lynched town", makes me think we actually caught scum.

[saberwolf]

why do I never get mentioned when the term "pawn" or "idiot" comes up?

[saberwolf]

It's important that we get to hear from Kitty's slot and have the rest of the town comment on the situation before we hammer Netopalis.

Why didn't it matter before when we thought we lynched him? What changed?

[saberwolf]

I want Kise <3

He's easier to figure out as scum

[saberwolf]

That's a lynch.

[saberwolf]

once again, my name is never mentioned