OK.
So here's what I can do. I can give you all my opinion on some of the issues in the game, let you know who I think are town and who are scum. I can't, despite Albert's flattery that was designed to get me lynched because he's an evil genius, solve the game and ride off into the sunset. I can't erase CSL's actions either. But hopefully I can get you to judge me not him. After all, he was replaced for a reason (and Albert asked for a replacement for a reason - yeah I saw that before asking for the modkill you sly dog).
Firstly, my reads.
Albert is town.
farsie is probably town.
I have no idea on hewitt. If I thought ABR was scum, I'd be sure Hewitt was town, but I'm almost certain he's not. The OMGUS is to be expected after an ABR rampage (especially if, as it seems from his post, he didn't quite get what ABR was about). Not the worst lynch in the world, actually. Deserved to have been policy lynched for quoting ABR's entire iso
Konowa/Ojanen are worthy of a look. Has only attacked DLA and Saber so far in the game, which, lets face it, are two of the most lynchbaity of the lynchbait. Indecisiveness between the wagons doesn't help his case.
konowa' biggest content post wrote:I had yet to decide whether or not I wanted to switch my vote. kikuchiyo understanding instantly what I meant and voting saber did play a small part in my decision. I, however, decided that between DLA and saber that saber was scummier to me at the moment. I think that DLA is also scummy and needs a good wagon, but I like my vote where it is right now.
Eewwww. Scummy. I am always wary of players who don't clash with the most assured personalities and doubly wary of them if they're indecisive amongst lynchbait.
DLA and saber are both too random to call. They look like lynchbait, especially with the suspicion they get.
Ellibereth is scum. That is an epic case of hold on for the ride bandwagoning. His entire play has been 'I agree'. He used to think Hewitt was scummy when ABR did, now he doesn't. Then he uses a post hewitt made about Neto to attack Neto? No answer for where the suspicion of hewitt went - just disappeared :/
I'll try to give you a sense of what I mean.
Ellibereth wrote:OK...I read through everything but I'm not completely sure what to post that isn't just repeated what people said...I'll be happy to answer any questions though.
What do you want me to say about the replacements?
Ellibereth wrote:hewitt wrote:Ellibereth wrote:To be honest, I think that Neto, DLA are scum...I didn't really find Neto's answer to hewitt's case that convincing.
...That wasn't even a real case that was a fake case. I don't think Netopalis is scummy at all and that "case" didn't need a response from him.
Why can't it be used as a real one?
farside wrote:
Just reading elizabeth's post 276. Why are you voting hewitt? Nothing in that post shows a reason. How is hewitt misrep? Why are you taking one side over the other?
Ellibereth not elizabeth.
Cause I think he's scum.
He had a misrep in 218.
Etc etc. Keeping quiet, playing along, keeping suspicions in line with town opinion. Scum.
Neto is also a good chance of flipping scum. He's been voting the same lynchbait targets as would be expected. Suggested a policy lynch without having the balls to actually say lets policy lynch someone, which is a scumtell in my eyes. He did have the balls to vote Albert though, which redeems him slightly, because bringing blue-eyed wrath upon oneself isn't always the best option.
Neto wrote:Oh, hi. Forgot you were playing. You seem to be doing an excellent job of going unnoticed.
I am getting suspicious of Saber, though, for his eagerness to hop onto that idea without putting in much thought.
No vote until next post here:
What the heck? I vote ABR to make a point, you hop on and vote him as well. I unvote him because I didn't want too many votes on him, then all of a sudden you feel a loss of conviction and unvote as well?
Vote: Saberwolf
Personally, I think that CSL's play makes him an excellent policy lynch in practically any game...but I know that this is going to be an extreme minority position in this game.
As for my not arguing strongly on DLA, that's honestly been because I have prior experience with him and I don't feel that my reads are that accurate for that reason
We've also got Shotty to the Body who is probably my top pick for scum. HE exhibits the same 'going for easy targets' mentality with the same 'unoriginal thinking' mentality. He starts off voting ofr Konowa (+++) but then relatively quickly both unvotes AND says that he's prepared to lynch either lynchbait candidate immediately without saying it's a policy vote.
Shotty to the Body wrote:I can't decide if I want to vote Saber, DLA, or keep it where it is, choices choices... Ah what the hell unvote, vote DLA
Then, what's the logical next step for the scumbucket? Joining the ABR-pushed wagon. Tick!
How is that a misrep? You accuse me and ABR of not contributing (which, at least in my case, is a flat-out lie) and use that as a scum-tell. That would imply that YOU contribute unless you're admitting to being scum? He never said you were a top contributer just that you don't contribute either, so now you're misrepping him.
unvote, vote hewitt
I could go for a DLA lynch today or tomorrow, if we lynched hewitt today and he flipped town I would be 100% behind a DLA lynch day two.
Lining up lynches. One of my faaaavourite scumtells, and one of the few conventional scumtells that actually does catch scum. This is essentially all I need for my vote. But then, this next post came along!
I encourage everyone to unvote vote DLA. ABR is an obvious scum-buddy to DLA considering how much DLA was vacuumed to ABR's opinions and as newb-scum didn't know any better to hide all the blatant buddying big enough to choke a horse.
Sorry, what? Shotty was right up in hewitt's business with his boy ABR and now ABR and DLA are scumbuddies? This is rubbish. When called on lining up lynches, he says (with historical innacuracy):
Who pushed Hewitt's lynch the hardest? ABR and DLA? Last time I checked pushing mislynches was bad? Hewitt said the same thing in 278. Why aren't you busting his balls?
There is more but this is already a gigantic wall, which I apologise for but it's my replacing in post. Essentially, he then defends CSL to show he's not going after easy targets and to try to heap crap onto farside when the reality is at about post 160 he said he was prepared to lynch TWO SEPARATE EASY TARGETS in saber and DLA.
I'm sure I've missed a few but these are the ones that jumped out. To be honest, I'd be down with a policy lynch of saber or DLA, a lynch of Ojanen/Konowa or a Neto lynch, but I'm heavily in favour of a Shotty lynch.
Now, to Albert's threats of impending doom upon my person.
The biggest issue that I don't understand is why Albert isn't focusing on hewitt. kiku made this point and was denounced for not having contributed much, but the point was lost somewhere. It seems to me that his theories of the game are centered around one player that he no longer wishes to vote.
For example, your dissertation of what CSL secretly meant depended on hewitt being a scum buddy. If not, it reads like it should, a bad player trying to work out if hewitt's defence was genuine or if it was scum on the end of a hook. He goes with his gut, changes his mind, remains suspicious - he's reacting in the right ways, just explaining it in a hamfisted way. But rather than that being indicative of hewitt's alignment (your buddies don't know whether to bus you or not), Albert suddenly switches. I've seen Albert reduce competent players to snivelling messes. Imagine what a barrage of attacks like htat would do to Newbie McHamfisted over there.
His 'claiming scum' was saying:
CSL wrote:The only way I'd get out of this game is if I Unvote and quite possibly Vote: CSL
Rubbish. That is a townie who thinks he's just fucked up beyond repair and is demoralised into getting rid of himself. If he'd chosen to replace out himself you might have more of a case, but he was forcibly replaced - essentially, his final action was to give up in frustration and wish his own death.
As for self-voting being a scum tell, I can only go by my own games but I'll give you the full list of players who have self voted.
saberwolf as town
here
Raskol as town and peabody as scum
here
Fallen angel as town
here
Idiotking as town
here
There may be more, but I think that's it. Either way - I've just had this exact argument with another town about 5 days ago when saberwolf self-voted in the top game. That is why I was pressing him for his views on CSL. They were consistent. (If he's said CSL was likely to be scum because of the self-vote, TRAP SPRUNG saber is scum, but not to be.)
The essence of my argument is that self-voting hold no value for scum and town. It's anti-town if you're town and anti-scum if you're scum. It's stupid, not playing to your win condition and deserves a replacement. But it's not indicative of one alignment or the other, it's indicative of BAD PLAY.
You can read as much of it as you like in the other game, but essentially that's the point. ANd it's a point Saber would know well because he was the one I asked the mod to forcibly replace when he started self-voting, but semioldguy is less ruthless than dramonic so we had to deal with him. In this game, CSL hands over the mantle and you can start getting actual reads on me.
I'm old now.
