Newbie 848 - The Bunny Mafia Family - over finally!

[Incognito]

Vote Count #2 of Day 3

Netopalis (1) <-~ Nachomamma8

Not voting (5) <-~ Bwian, Netopalis, Haylen, Jase, Vel-Rahn Koon

With 6 alive, 4 votes will do it.

Monday, December 7th at 4 P.M. EST.

[Bwian]

@VRK: If you are a townie, are you willing to risk the entire game on the fact that Haylen is scum? Because after your statement in 514, I'm willing to bet my head on the fact that one of you is scum. So would you agree to being lynched after a Haylen town flip?

Was that somehow ment as a trick question or did you forget we lose if we mislynch today?

[Nachomamma8]

Well, if today's MyLo..

Unvote

.

I'm also recommending a no lynch after some discussion because there isn't really a super protown player right now. Also, Jase... Stop lurking. Please.

[Jase]

I disagree with a no lynch today. We may not have any super pro town players but I doubt it would really narrow our lynch pool. I mean, the person who would be night killed if we no lynched today probably wouldn't be in any danger of being lynched anyways.

[Jase]

Also, Haylen, what happened to that content you promised earlier?

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Well, if today's MyLo..

Unvote

.

I'm also recommending a no lynch after some discussion because there isn't really a super protown player right now. Also, Jase... Stop lurking. Please.

I have no idea whether we should no lynch or not. I've never been in a no lynch situation before (that I remember), so I don't know if it would be a good idea.

Also, nacho can you explain the term MyLo? I've not heard it before and I can't find it in the Wiki. How is it different from LyLo?

[Netopalis]

MyLo is Mislynch-Lose. It means that you can No-lynch and survive to the next day, but if you lynch a townie, the game's over.

[Netopalis]

Also, it's in this page:
http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... reviations

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Thanks Neto.

Nacho, since you suggested it, what information do you think will be gained from a No Lynch today? Do you think that it will significantly help the Town's chances tomorrow of catching scum if we narrow the field from 6 to 5?

Does anyone besides Jase and Nacho have an opinion on this?

[Netopalis]

I would support it. Honestly, there's not a single player left in this game that I can really rule out, and it would give a potential cop an opportunity to get in an extra investigation. Additionally, although it's generally frowned upon, I do think that hte identity of the deceased could be useful as well.

[Jase]

Seriously Haylen, it's been almost 24 hours for a post you said you were writing "at the moment". Where is it?

Also neto, there probably isn't any cop, as he would have claimed today in all likelyhood.

[Nachomamma8]

Thanks Neto.

Nacho, since you suggested it, what information do you think will be gained from a No Lynch today? Do you think that it will significantly help the Town's chances tomorrow of catching scum if we narrow the field from 6 to 5?

Does anyone besides Jase and Nacho have an opinion on this?

Right now, there is no extremely pro-town player. I can see every one of us being scum. Looking at it statistically-wise, if we no lynch today, we'll have a 50% chance of hitting scum on a random lynch. If that random lynch is successful, we have a 2 town versus 1 scum situation, which is the best chance we have right now. If we lynch and manage to hit scum, we'll still be in MyLo, and we'll have 3 townies versus one scum instead. I have full confidence that a no-lynch today will improve the town's chances dramatically, regardless of who the scum decides to kill.

[Bwian]

Looking at it statistically-wise, if we no lynch today, we'll have a 50% chance of hitting scum on a random lynch.

With 5 players left you have four other players you can vote of which two are scum. For a town player that gives you 2/4 = 50% chance if you select at random. That is as far as I can follow your reasoning.

Could you please explain how voting randomly could ever result in lynching a scum player?

As long as mafia doesn't vote on a mafia player all town players must agree upon who is scum in order for us to lynch scum. If two town players (one player tomorrow if we no-lynch today) votes for the wrong person mafia will win the game.

[Bwian]

Also neto, there probably isn't any cop, as he would have claimed today in all likelyhood.

Only reason for a cop to claim is if (s)he have information to share.

Odds are pretty good we've got a cop and/or a doctor.


http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=F11

[Bwian]

It caught my attention when an experienced player doesn't keep track of the current votes, and what effect his own vote might have. It seems so sloppy and detached. Would you please explain yourselfs?

VRK did it in post 426 and Nachomamma8 in post 527.

[Bwian]

Wasn't one of the reasons for not lynching her and going after LurkerTown Sposh so that we could get more info out of Haylen today?

Screw that. I'm gonna explain why in the post im writing at the moment.

Seriously Haylen, it's been almost 24 hours for a post you said you were writing "at the moment". Where is it?

Haylen, I think it would be a very good idea to share that content very soon.

If

you're town this path of yours risc leading us to a mislynch.

[Nachomamma8]

It caught my attention when an experienced player doesn't keep track of the current votes, and what effect his own vote might have. It seems so sloppy and detached. Would you please explain yourselfs?

VRK did it in post 426 and Nachomamma8 in post 527.

What do you mean?

[Jase]

Also neto, there probably isn't any cop, as he would have claimed today in all likelyhood.

Only reason for a cop to claim is if (s)he have information to share.

Odds are pretty good we've got a cop and/or a doctor.


http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=F11

It's unlikely that the people who a cop investigates would all be nightkilled.

[Bwian]

It caught my attention when an experienced player doesn't keep track of the current votes, and what effect his own vote might have. It seems so sloppy and detached. Would you please explain yourselfs?

VRK did it in post 426 and Nachomamma8 in post 527.

What do you mean?

I'll quote the unvoting.

Well, if today's MyLo.. Unvote.

Sorry huge mistake, and thanks for post 423 Bwian. I should have looked at the vote count before I voted.

I thought you were experienced players but yet you've voted and few posts later unvoted motivating the behaviour with not knowing what your vote might contribute to. You're supposed to be into the game, making analysis of everything, but fail to keep track of Incognitos posts. Those are the only real hard facts we've got.

With 6 alive, 4 votes will do it.

[Bwian]

Also neto, there probably isn't any cop, as he would have claimed today in all likelyhood.

Only reason for a cop to claim is if (s)he have information to share.

Odds are pretty good we've got a cop and/or a doctor.


http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=F11

It's unlikely that the people who a cop investigates would all be nightkilled.

There might be many reasons for a town aligned power role not to claim.

- Being a doctor
- A police might have been roleblocked and/or selected persons that ended up being nightkilled.
- A police that havn't been convinced there's anything to gain from claiming role at this point.
- A police that is waiting to see if anyone would lie and claim his role.


What do you hope to gain from discussing the possibility of town aligned power roles still alive?

[Jase]

Bwain: We don't really gain much from the speculation about power roles. Somebody used the possibility of an additional investigation as a reason for a no lynch today. That being said, I realized if we don't no lynch today we should do it tomorrow. May as well be today.

[Incognito]

Haylen has been prodded.

[Haylen]

Whoot! VRK is doing stuff again that an experienced player knows full well they shouldn't do.

Yeah, i've been lurking site wide. It's a defence mechanism. I do it when everyone's attacking me.

That post? It got lost, along with 3 other analysis posts and a 5000 word coursework essay that was due in the next day. The result? Everyone thinks im lurking and I've probably failed my course. Huzzah. How nice. Have a nice day.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Thanks Neto.

Nacho, since you suggested it, what information do you think will be gained from a No Lynch today? Do you think that it will significantly help the Town's chances tomorrow of catching scum if we narrow the field from 6 to 5?

Does anyone besides Jase and Nacho have an opinion on this?

Right now, there is no extremely pro-town player. I can see every one of us being scum.

Looking at it statistically-wise, if we no lynch today, we'll have a 50% chance of hitting scum on a random lynch. If that random lynch is successful, we have a 2 town versus 1 scum situation, which is the best chance we have right now. If we lynch and manage to hit scum, we'll still be in MyLo, and we'll have 3 townies versus one scum instead.

I have full confidence that a no-lynch today will improve the town's chances dramatically

, regardless of who the scum decides to kill.

How can you possibly reconcile the two bolded statements?

If you can't find a pro-town player today, how are you going to find one tomorrow? A No Lynch today means that we're down to LyLo tomorrow. If you can see any one of us being scum, how is getting rid of only one person going to dramatically improve our chances tomorrow?

Don't take this as me saying I don't think we should No Lynch. I'm not saying that at this point. What I am saying is that I think your logic is flawed and that you're not doing anything to convince me that a No Lynch is the way to go. If everyone is of the opinion that we should No Lynch, I'll go with it, but I'd feel better about it if we had solid reasons why it's going to help us. Right now, if we No Lynch we'll still be stuck with the same group of all scummy-looking players. I don't see how that's going to help us.

[Bwian]

Haylen, in one breath you say lurking is a defence mechanism of yours. In the next part you're saying it's due to lack of time. You're not consistent with what you're saying.

If it really was a defence mechanism it's counterproductive. You should know better.