Mafia 105 - Caught in the Crossfire (Game Over)

[Energetic Penguin]

Vote Count, Day 1

hiphop ( 0 )
Budja ( 1 ) - SpyreX
charter ( 0 )
crypto ( 4 ) - Hoopla - Energetic Penguin charter - CSL
CSL ( 5 ) - RedCoyote - sigma - Pads - idiotking
elvis_knits ( 2 ) - Vi roflcopter
Energetic Penguin ( 4 ) - hitogoroshi - popsofctown - hiphop - imaginality
hitogoroshi ( 0 )
Hoopla ( 0 )
Idiotking ( 0 )
imaginality ( 0 )
Infinis ( 1 ) - RayFrost
EtherealCookie ( 0 )
Maemuki ( 1 ) - Infinis
Pads ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 0 )
Psychologic ( 0 )
RayFrost ( 0 )
RedCoyote ( 0 )
roflcopter ( 0 )
sigma ( 1 ) - sotty7
Sotty7 ( 0 )
SpyreX ( 1 ) - Budja
Vi ( 0 )
Unvote ( 4 ) - EtherealCookie - Psychologic - Maemuki - idiotking
Total Votes ( 24 )

With 24 alive, 13 needed to reach a majority.
Deadline is at December 1st, 11am EST

You know we could all just do the mod a fav and go ahead and lynch Budja.

Just saying.

I mean after all that hard work not keeping up, wagoning, defending said wagon under not one but multiple spurious (and mimicked) reasons.

We should just give that spot a rest. A permanent one.

On what page(s) was your case?

[popsofctown]

@ Everyone who is making excuses to cover crypto: why are you making excuses?

Hi, my name is unnecessarily loaded question, how are you doing today?

LOOK, can we all just come together, hold hands and lynch Budja. Its the right choice, and we all know it deep in our hearts.

Why does Spyro make me laugh so? Why?

You know we could all just do the mod a fav and go ahead and lynch Budja.

Just saying.

I mean after all that hard work not keeping up, wagoning, defending said wagon under not one but multiple spurious (and mimicked) reasons.

We should just give that spot a rest. A permanent one.

lol!


Might want to consider doing that for CSL. Replacing out in his fashion is very much against the spirit of mafia, and so is lynching him, but, what can you do? If that's his pattern (there was too many posts to go through in that newbie Vi, did he replace out?) then that's probably how we have to vote.

I'm saying it mournfully because mafia isn't supposed to be about voting people for that reason, not because CSL wasn't formerly high on my list. He was right under EP (i had the mental list going and i kept on waiting for someone to ask about it but no one did )

[SpyreX]

Ohh CSL could use a rope/bullet as well. No questions there. As well as e_k.

That doesn't change the fact that Budja jumped on a spurious wagon under spurious reasons and then tried to turn on the cruise control for cool.

[crypto]

Pops, if someone does something scummy, you lynch them for it. It doesn't matter

what

it is. That's how it works.

This is a twenty-five-player game. We'll have more than enough chances for more orthodox lynches.

[Vi]

Might want to consider doing that for CSL. Replacing out in his fashion is very much against the spirit of mafia, and so is lynching him, but, what can you do? If that's his pattern (there was too many posts to go through in that newbie Vi, did he replace out?) then that's probably how we have to vote.

He replaced in, got put (rightfully) under pressure, spazzed, threatened to replace out, didn't, got Copped that Night and then lynched. Most of those posts came between CSL getting Copped and getting lynched and serve no actual purpose tbh.

Pops, if someone does something scummy, you lynch them for it. It doesn't matter

what

it is. That's how it works.

Note: Being Awesome at Mafia includes knowing when to break this rule.

That doesn't change the fact that Budja jumped on a spurious wagon under spurious reasons and then tried to turn on the cruise control for cool.

*hits the Mute button on this subject*

[Idiotking]

So... why exactly aren't we going to wait for a replacement and then judge the replacement by his or her own merit? Shouldn't we at least give the replacement a chance?

[popsofctown]

Pops, if someone does something scummy, you lynch them for it. It doesn't matter

what

it is. That's how it works.

This is a twenty-five-player game. We'll have more than enough chances for more orthodox lynches.

Oh, reading this reminded me that I didn't

unvote, vote: CSL

. Sorry about that.

[crypto]

Note: Being Awesome at Mafia includes knowing when to break this rule.

Did you just claim scum or whatever?

[Vi]

So... why exactly aren't we going to wait for a replacement and then judge the replacement by his or her own merit? Shouldn't we at least give the replacement a chance?

Usually the answer is a resounding "not really".
Since it's CSL ordinarily I would be willing to make an exception here, but these last few posts from CSL have made me .

@crypto: No. I'm saying that calculated policy lynching > blind policy lynching.

[SpyreX]

Why you gotta mute me? I WILL NOT BE SILENCED. DOWN WITH THE PROLETARIAT.

That said I agree with 758.

[popsofctown]

@IK: because the act of replacing + other stuff he's done has put him past the threshhold for lynchery. It's exceedingly rare for someone to actually do something that makes their slot less scummy. The way mafia works, everyone starts at zero and starts dipping into negative numbers. Maybe if you play awesome, the whole game, craziness, you get up to 1 or 2. But mostly people just get more and more scummy, that's just how it works.

Another way to put it, here's an analogy. A five year old who isn't old enough to make eye contact and lie and a 10-year career con man break a vase together. You walk in and see the vase in pieces. You ask the five year old who broke the vase and he is decidedly unconvincing when he tells you "we didn't play catch with the vase because that would be wrong!" Should I ask the con man who broke the vase? Should I even adjust my opinion after listening to someone who is comparatively superior in deception?

In the same way, it's pointless to listen to the replacement. In all likelihood he'll be a better player who seems more pro-town, but CSL supplied information about his role more accurately, just like the five year old supplies information about the vase more accurately.

Actually, I could say it's like checking the time on a sundial after you've seen it on a Rolex.

Or like asking a family doc for a second opinion on what your cardiologist said about your heart.

Note to self: don't try to do analogies or expect to stop, ever.

[popsofctown]

Where is Psychologic? I can't wait for his first post!! I am eagerly awaiting his arrival.

[crypto]

Why you gotta mute me? I WILL NOT BE SILENCED. DOWN WITH THE PROLETARIAT.

That said I agree with 758.

Claim: mafia silencer. Night action target attained.

Oh, wait, this isn't EM.

[popsofctown]

EM?

[SpyreX]

God I haven't played on there in forever. That would be, by far, the WORST role to exist on MS.

EM = epicmafia. Go there if you want your brain to melt.

And I like pops's a bit dramatic personification of replacements. They are a bane.

Mod Note: Oh how I yearn for the day that I'm well enough respected to run a bastard mod setup and include silencers.!

[popsofctown]

I heard there's a magical place on the internet where people play mafia games and there are no needs for replacement, ever. It's a magical land of mystery and wonder. You know where it is? Me neither.

[crypto]

How many mafiosi are there typically in a 25-player game?

EM is fun with the right players (obviously). The rare game without trolls/lurkers/flakers/morons is amazing.

[popsofctown]

How do you know this crypto? Did you spectate one?

[Vi]

How many mafiosi are there typically in a 25-player game?

Scum usually make up between 25% and 33% of your starting population, so seven or eight. Six would be pushing it.
It's pretty comfortable as far as having to choose which scummy person you want to lynch tbh - especially when there are two scumgroups so there's not as much resistance if a scumwagon starts building.

@pops: I've just finished modding two games that had a sum total of two replacements.

This topic is derailing quickly. If there's nothing important to say, there are a number of people who need the spotlight.

[crypto]

Okay, thanks, Vi. I thought so. Watch this.

RedCoyote

crypto

SpyreX

hiphop

popsofctown

elvis_knits

Sotty7

sigma

Vi

hitogoroshi

Idiotking

RayFrost

Hoopla

Psychologic

Budja
Maemuki
CSL
Energetic Penguin
roflcopter
Infinis

Pads

imaginality

EtherealCookie

charter

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Reads get hard as hell now.

charter

imaginality

Infinis

roflcopter
Energetic Penguin
CSL
Maemuki
Budja
Idiotking

sigma

elvis_knits

SpyreX

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imaginality
roflcopter
Energetic Penguin
CSL
Maemuki
Budja
Idiotking
elvis_knits

That's the best I can do and the forced reads probably make it >70% inaccurate. In fact, it's at the point where I know at least half those last scum reads are wrong and I don't even care. The hell with it.

How do you know this crypto? Did you spectate one?

I've played on EM for a few weeks now.

[roflcopter]

feh

unvote, vote: csl

[Infinis]

IioA - duly noted. Ad hom - duly noted. Conciseness - duly noted.

Honestly I feel budja and CSL's pain. I go to work come home sit down to read and the thread has enlarged dramatically per 24hr period. It is daunting to keep up.

@mae My vote is a direct result of Crypto's case. I've tried telling you it's good analysis, I tried emphasizing the key points, and now let me try analogy. Let's use Evolution. Can I not say I believe in Evolution because of what Darwin wrote or do I have to go out and make my own case for evolution. At this point, as was the switch to you from sigma, there are better scum candidates to pursue.

Vi wagon hopping is a scum tell in my book.
Crypto going off like a man possessed seems like a genuine annoyed townie
roflcopter and Spyrex pushing wagons with nothing more than shouting scum into the wind is at best lazy town, at worst scum distracting town.
elvis_knits posts have struck me wrong, gut reading (sry shouldnt bring that up again)

Now the interesting part is the many wagons that have formed and disintegrated. Congrats to whomever started doing the wagon compilations, this thread is so epic in length I couldn't find it by skimming and a single two hour reading session a day is all I'm going to commit to a game I'm playing for fun.

For question fans, why hasn't confid wagon before his daykill been addressed? Sure cursory analysis has been done but I see nothing concrete. Could it be that confid's wagoners are afraid or perhaps they are the loudest and will shout down any and all accusations?

I'll reread tomorrow looking at EP EK.

Unvote

Vote: CSL

empathy not sympathy.

Lastly as an aside since my sarcasm detector seems to be broken, hoopla's avatar is scary?!? Really?! roflcopter a tween, I wouldn't be surprised though

[popsofctown]

My subtlety goes to waste? Oh well.

[popsofctown]

my post is directed at 769 btw

[popsofctown]

Hoopla's avatar is very unpleasant to look at.