Mafia 105 - Caught in the Crossfire (Game Over)

[CSL]

Vote Count, Day 1

hiphop ( 0 )
Budja ( 1 ) - SpyreX
charter ( 0 )
crypto ( 4 ) - Hoopla - Energetic Penguin charter - CSL
CSL ( 4 ) - RedCoyote - sigma - Pads - idiotking
elvis_knits ( 3 ) - Vi roflcopter - crypto
Energetic Penguin ( 4 ) - hitogoroshi - popsofctown - hiphop - imaginality
hitogoroshi ( 0 )
Hoopla ( 0 )
Idiotking ( 1 ) - idiotking
imaginality ( 0 )
Infinis ( 1 ) - RayFrost
EtherealCookie ( 0 )
Maemuki ( 1 ) - Infinis
Pads ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 0 )
Psychologic ( 0 )
RayFrost ( 0 )
RedCoyote ( 0 )
roflcopter ( 0 )
sigma ( 1 ) - sotty7
Sotty7 ( 0 )
SpyreX ( 1 ) - Budja
Vi ( 0 )
Unvote ( 3 ) - EtherealCookie - Psychologic - Maemuki
Total Votes ( 24 )

With 24 alive, 13 needed to reach a majority.
Deadline is at December 1st, 11am EST

Whoever hasn't got a vote on anyone, needs to do so in their next post. There's no excuse for not having one down at the moment.

Then I'll just throw

Vote: crypto

in there then.

[sigma]

You have since implied that I value the RVS scum tell above bandwagoning, active lurking and non scum hunters something I never said.

You are making that leap because you look at my vote and see it only for the RVS stand point.

The way you called up these three other factors of scumminess

just sits wrong with me. It's almost as if you are saying

“Okay yeah, I might have done something a little scummy but it wasn't as scummy as

these

guys.”

The green is absolutely right. I had to make that leap, because you didn't say anything other than the RVS standpoint. So yes, I implied that either you valued that scum tell above the others I mentioned, or you weren't giving the entire case. Apparently it was the second one. That's the point I'm trying to make here, but you really never gave me anything to defend myself with.

Other than that, in brown, it seems we come back to 'you feel like scum.'

It feels like tunneling not because you're ignoring others (and you're not, you are scumhunting others, let me make that clear before you accuse me of misreping again) but because I don't feel like you're really looking at my argument in an unbiased way anymore.

I think we've exhausted this argument.

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Wow @ CSL's new post. Lynch this guy please. He's not even defending himself this game. Wayyy scummier than crypto.

[Budja]

Sorry but this game is just too much for me.

@mod, please replace me.

[Vi]

That's because none of the people who are being voted are people I particularly want to lynch.
Why, exactally, does my behavior make me

more likely to be scum

(not intentional) and

more likely to be annoying

(entirely intentional)?

Like I said earlier, it just seems out of character, but then I don't think I have ever played a large game with you.

I change my meta as often as I change my mood (and I'm kind of moody >.> ). After all, I don't like playing as anyone but myself, however arrogant and condescending I may be at any given time.

Lets say you are the only one who has a say in todays lynch. Who is your pick and why? Picks two and three would be nice too.

Lynch preference is currently somewhere around this order:
*elvis_knits (weak presence throughout, chasing easy targets, covering her poorly-advised jump on the crypto wagon with "I didn't read the N0 flavor", not getting an updated avatar of the puppy)
*Energetic Penguin (may be a n00b, but a n00b with awfully convenient timing!)
*Hoopla (not at all seeing the Hoopla-obv-Town, definitely seeing the Hoopla-obv-wagoning - plus that blatant misrepresentation of me apparently defending crypto was

really

telling)
*RedCoyote (I believe in my meta tell)
*Maemuki (her recent posts have been

everything

they've been picked apart for, previous Town read be darned)
*imaginality, Budja, Infinis, etc.

[Idiotking]

Your vote had to impress me because you said you don't vote willy-nilly and it's your first vote of the game.

I find that CSL is a good choice for a lynch, given the fact that if saved until late-game, such useless people give scum an easy route to pressure/lynch.

CSL doesn't really seem town to me, so in that sense I guess it's an okay vote. But there's like a hella other stuff going on more important than CSL, and you aren't very involved.

I don't like being involved in pointless bickering. It's not really going anywhere until there's solid fact to draw from. Such solid fact isn't available on D1 (well, except for a daykiller role in this instance). So I propose we lynch a useless person today rather than run the risk of getting screwed for letting them live later on.

Also you voted CSL and said "are you happy now, ray/hoopla?" like the vote was more to please them than because you actually thought he was scum.

Ok, I get it. I'll leave sarcasm out of every single post I ever make.

Are you happy now?

Combined with my earlier dislike of how you said we can't learn anything from the confidwagon/kill. And you've really flip flipped a lot on crypto.

I've been pretty consistent in my opinion that crypto's acting normally, as crypto goes. Where have I flip-flopped?

And when did I say "we can't learn anything from the confidwagon"? When did I use those words? Hmm?

[CSL]

Well, how the hell am I supposed to defend myself? I've fucking had it. I'm out, yo.

Replacement Requested

[Idiotking]

... Ok. So that's... uh...

Unvote

So I suppose I wait for the replacement to show up, then. My, but there are a lot of replacing out today, isn't there?

[Idiotking]

With my understanding from your post, only you can be wordy.

Sarcasm.

Also forgive me for not saying you are town, because you did not ask for a replacement, for it is all a bunch of wifom.

That's a reasonable statement to make. You'd be stupid to think I was town for that reason.

However you are playing to your town meta from the last game, except you don't have any case this time. Do you believe that you will get a case before the lynch, or are you just hoping for one?

I don't know. From the way people are shifting around, we could be lynched in the next five minutes for all I know. I hate D1.

[Idiotking]

"Lynching", not "Lynched".

[crypto]

Unvote. Vote: CSL.

1. I remember reading somewhere that CSL hates being scum.
2. Too many replacements.
3. I hate adjusting my read on a particular player slot for the incoming replacement. It's infinitely worse when the original slot occupant is both scummy and VI.

CSL is getting hanged today.

Announcing scum read on Idiotking, in case it wasn't clear before. Not very interesting, though.

That is all.

[crypto]

Oh, and EC is town.

[crypto]

Also, EC—page 10, eh? You've just passed through the portal of no return.

[hitogoroshi]

Looking over the vote counts as I put them into my graph, I noticed something.

Mod: Is the vote count for Maemuki on the top of pages 23,24 correct? Or should those be '2's?

Also I obviously agree about what people are saying re:CSL but why aren't we saying these things about penguin? He is doing the same thing, and he's been doing it for longer.

Apologies for the rather sparse content here. Just a nice gristly lump of projects right now. Rest assured I'm not replacing out and I'm following along more or less with the game - I'm just not too up for digging right now. Hopefully this will resolve itself in a couple of days.

[zoraster]

Looking for a replacement for Budja. I'll let CSL calm down and reconsider, as that would be really lame and contrary to the spirit of mafia as a whole.

Votes will be updated later tonight.

Mod: Is the vote count for Maemuki on the top of pages 23,24 correct? Or should those be '2's?

The vote number was wrong. I fixed it, but that means I probably misplaced another vote. I'll make sure it's correct when I get back home tonight. Thanks for your keen eye!

[Energetic Penguin]

Looking over the vote counts as I put them into my graph, I noticed something.

Mod: Is the vote count for Maemuki on the top of pages 23,24 correct? Or should those be '2's?

Also I obviously agree about what people are saying re:CSL but why aren't we saying these things about penguin? He is doing the same thing, and he's been doing it for longer.

Apologies for the rather sparse content here. Just a nice gristly lump of projects right now. Rest assured I'm not replacing out and I'm following along more or less with the game - I'm just not too up for digging right now. Hopefully this will resolve itself in a couple of days.

What am I supposed to defend myself of? I've apologized for being inconsistent.

@Vi: I'm a Newb, not a N00b.

[hitogoroshi]

You can't 'defend' anything, because

you haven't done a goddamn thing

. You jump in, vote with the prevailing bandwagon for a reason someone else said, and then leave. Consistency has nothing to do with it and I don't know why you think it does. The only inconsistent thing you could do right now is participate. I could quote every post you've made (including the posts you quoted in those posts) and it wouldn't be over the word count limit.

[CSL]

@ Mod: I'd rather be replaced now, then be in a state of what I call, "Newb825remakephobia", in which I'll be really detrimental to the town, and that would be called bad spirit.

[popsofctown]

So anyway guys, sometimes i post before i finish reading a page. It's funner that way.

But reading the rest of the page, I saw Crypto quote himself and Charter's paraphrasing seems way too strong. As it actually was, Crypto never waffled and there's nothing wrong with crypto as far as the last two pages go at least.

I didn't paraphrase anything, I quoted his words. Crypto did backtrack.

His quote where he made everything large he said first, then later he said "Again, I would not be surprised if there is only one scum team" after he was called on his claimed fact.

Ugh. That creates so much back and forth that I have to actually go back to pages i've already read to see for sure...

Yeah, he does say it. Kind of backpedalish, and reminiscent of the bizarre "is IIoA a good tell" discussion. But reading it in context it's not as bad. as when you quoted it.

Hey, i'll post this now, bet by the time I've read up someone will have said something and i won't be a double poster.

[Energetic Penguin]

You can't 'defend' anything, because

you haven't done a goddamn thing

. You jump in, vote with the prevailing bandwagon for a reason someone else said, and then leave. Consistency has nothing to do with it and I don't know why you think it does. The only inconsistent thing you could do right now is participate. I could quote every post you've made (including the posts you quoted in those posts) and it wouldn't be over the word count limit.

then lynch me since I'm obviously scum./sarcasm.

ok I'll post more and only vote if I can provide my own reasons bt I don't think I should be lynched for this.

[Vi]

@ Mod: I'd rather be replaced now, then be in a state of what I call, "Newb825remakephobia", in which I'll be really detrimental to the town, and that would be called bad spirit.

Fine print: CSL was scum in Newbie 825

NOW I'm starting to like this CSL wagon.

[SpyreX]

You know we could all just do the mod a fav and go ahead and lynch Budja.

Just saying.

I mean after all that hard work not keeping up, wagoning, defending said wagon under not one but multiple spurious (and mimicked) reasons.

We should just give that spot a rest. A permanent one.

[Vi]

ok I'll post more and only vote if I can provide my own reasons bt I don't think I should be lynched for this.

Please start now.
Vouching for yourself doesn't do much, btw.

@SpyreX: Would you like to be trendy and vote someone else who everyone is more interested in?

[SpyreX]

I'll set my own trends. For now.

I'm not sure what the secret 2KOOL decoder ring this game is to get people to LOOK AT YOUR CASE but seriously the "everyone else is doin it" doesn't get me all stoked for a case.

[Vi]

I'll set my own trends. For now.

I'm not sure what the secret 2KOOL decoder ring this game is to get people to LOOK AT YOUR CASE but seriously the "everyone else is doin it" doesn't get me all stoked for a case.

Setting your own trends isn't trendy in this game, and my vote history proves as much.

Considering I kind of launched the SpyreX wagon and that's the bulk of your case I'm not inclined to follow.
Rereading I'm kind of inclined to think that Budja making skeletal posts and saying he's behind is probably more genuine than previously given credit would suggest considering he's replacing out.

[crypto]

No, Spyre, we're expected to follow the chopper like dogs.