Mafia 105 - Caught in the Crossfire (Game Over)

[Vi]

Vote Count, Day 1

hiphop ( 0 )
Budja ( 1 ) SpyreX
charter ( 0 )
crypto ( 0 ) charter
CSL ( 1 ) - RedCoyote
elvis_knits ( 0 ) crypto
Energetic Penguin ( 5 ) hitogoroshi - popsofctown - hiphop - imaginality - Vi
hitogoroshi ( 0 )
Hoopla ( 0 )
Idiotking ( 4 ) RayFrost - Hoopla - sigma - elvis_knits
imaginality ( 0 )
Infinis ( 1 ) roflcopter
Juls ( 0 )
Maemuki ( 2 ) - Infinis - Pads
Pads ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 1 )
Psychologic ( 0 )
RayFrost ( 0 )
RedCoyote ( 0 )
roflcopter ( 0 )
sigma ( 1 ) - sotty7
Sotty7 ( 0 )
SpyreX ( 1 ) - Budja
Vi ( 0 )
Unvote ( 6 ) - Idiotking - EtherealCookie - Psychologic - Maemuki - CSL - Energetic Penguin
Total Votes ( 24 )

With 24 alive, 13 needed to reach a majority.
Deadline is at December 1st, 11am EST

charter x crypto isn't convincing me of anything except that jerk meets jerk is not a pretty sight.

That's pretty insulting, so thanks. Did you read my reasons for voting crypto? You think that trying to pawn something off and then immediately saying you knew it wasn't true isn't scummy?

I read your reasons.
I do find that backtrack to be very strange, especially since it came as a defense of Infiniscum (not just an ordinary theory mistake, especially since that mistake was rectified very quickly).
However, the argument's devolution into "nuh-uh!" "uh-huh!" made me want to skip it altogether and ignore both of you.

[crypto]

And here is the scum tell to end all scum tells, in which Crypto admits to having known he was wrong before submitting his post:

Yeah, I knew I shouldn't have said that but I did anyway. I can't recall seeing it in any of my games.

Wait, what?

Where did I admit to having known I was wrong?

Oh, whatever. Hang me.

[Vi]

Cut the cheese.
The real question is

why did you say it in the first place?

[crypto]

Because as far as I can remember I've never seen scum use it in any game I've ever been in.

I can use italics, too.

[Vi]

Because as far as I can remember I've never seen scum use it in any game I've ever been in.

I can use italics, too.

But can you use strikeout?

You say you're the alt of someone who posts a lot.
Therefore I don't buy this excuse.

[crypto]

Whaaat?

[Vi]

Why yes I lurk in GD

[crypto]

Er, no, this is my main. Crypto.

[hitogoroshi]

So you've played five games on your 'main' and yet have two alts? What's that all about? :/

[crypto]

Are you arguing that I'm lying on my wiki page?

[hitogoroshi]

No, I'm curious as to what that is all about. Hence the question "What's that all about?". With a :/ face to express my general puzzlement at the idea.

[Vi]

...Symbol? Where have I seen that name before?

I don't think hito is arguing that you're lying on your wiki page.

Cut.

I remain incredulous but will not push the point further.

[popsofctown]

what made you know it was a foolish thing to say without knowing it was false?

Theory mistakes aren't scummy, but here that's really just a context in which you contradicted yourself, which is what's concerning.

[crypto]

No, I'm curious as to what that is all about. Hence the question "What's that all about?". With a :/ face to express my general puzzlement at the idea.

Fiddling with play style without the burden of a meta, however small. I tend to get hyper about meta, so I wanted to play it safe. Symbol wound up outing his main after getting called out for use of apparently devious play in a newbie game (guilt trip).

I'm done spamming the thread. Way off the track of alignment hunting.

Vi.

[Vi]

I'm done spamming the thread. Way off the track of alignment hunting.

Actually, before you go it would be nice if you answered pops.

[crypto]

Pops, stop smearing your suspicions wherever the crowd goes.

Oh, no, I'm debating another town read from the almighty Rofl/Vi duo! Elvis, hold me.

(More evidence of being more pro at rich text than Vi.)

Pops, because two players castigated me for it, that's why. If I stuck with my argument, I'd have been called scummy. If I admitted defeat, I'd have been called scummy. FFS.

[SpyreX]

Ohhh hayyy 542.

Thats all I've gotta say about that.

So, whats this new crypto-slapfight? I see IIoA mentioned. However, I don't see how IIoA had anything to do with what was going on (unless it was pops AGREEING that crypto's business with rofl was bad?)

In short. What in the hell?

[Infinis]

Trimmed to maintain wordcount rule

Best parts of the case included, my bolds for emphasis

Maemuki Iso.

3.

Response to Vi's SpyreX case. Asks if she needs to do a meta to confirm that SpyreX's scum, or if

someone can spoon-feed it to her

. This isn't necessarily scummy, but it sets up for piggybacking on the meta argument.

4.

Says she doesn't find SpyreX scummy. Says she'll reread him in iso.

5.

Says she's still rereading. Timestamp: 9:08 am.

...

11.

Asks CSL if he would join the SpyreX wagon. Curious given she was just asked a similar question.

Timestamp: 9:53 am. She should be done reading SpyreX's small iso. But she hasn't updated her answer to Vi's question of whether or not she thinks Spyre is scummy. Weird. Wasn't that the whole point of the reread in the first place? Mae's more interested in badgering CSL, I guess.

12.

Again trying to eke a SpyreX read out of CSL. Still doesn't give her own read.
...

14

Finally pukes out her read: "I don't see SpyreX's actions as scummy." Unimpressed with a wagon that's grown out of nothing but gut and meta. Also unimpressed with the players who mindlessly wagoned.

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19.

Grills CSL for taking issue with Rofl and Vi's town read on her, but also questions the town read itself. "Look at me; I'm such a take-no-prisoners pro-town interrogator I even question pro-town reads on me!" Smells like acting. Smells like scum.

22.

"Switching sides so quickly"? No. LYLO is a long way off.

25.

Finally, she sees the light. But why is Maemuki only now grasping SpyreX's scumminess, instead of way back when she iso-read him (or before then, for that matter)

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@rofl I answered your questions. Reread my response. If it's unsatisfactory, what would you like clarified?

[crypto]

More dumpy arguments for my scumminess are the hell.

[Vi]

So, whats this new crypto-slapfight? I see IIoA mentioned. However, I don't see how IIoA had anything to do with what was going on (unless it was pops AGREEING that crypto's business with rofl was bad?)

In short. What in the hell?

Start here (well, read up if you want context) and read the next three posts.

Notice that this still doesn't connect with crypto's version of events.

[crypto]

Why?

[SpyreX]

Contextually it STILL doesn't make sense to me:

Crypto: Roflcopter, too much summary and too little analysis is not a convincing case given our options. That said, I'm not terribly interested in debating this with you. (this would be saying Rofl is utilizing IIoA, one would assume)

Pops: IioA is one of the best tells ever. For serious. (This is pops agreeing)

Crypto: Yeah, I knew I shouldn't have said that but I did anyway. Confused I can't recall seeing it in any of my games. (This just doesn't make sense in the above).

I'm apparently just not connecting the dots. What is it that I'm missing?

[crypto]

I don't think IIOA is a scum tell. Another player joins in and disagrees with me. I back down. I am called scummy for backing down.

I thought it was obvious that I was admitting to inexperience, not to knowing I was wrong in the first place. But whatever.

[Vi]

Pops, because two players castigated me for it, that's why.

Actually reading the topic:
crypto 517: IIoA isn't a scumtell, therefore Infinis is not scum
pops 518: IIoA is an awesome scumtell
crypto 519: lol you're right; I just haven't seen it

The turnaround is as fast as pops said something. The fact that you were defending Infinis in doing so is icing.

(Talking of which, I hope Infinis wasn't intending to convince anyone of anything about his alignment with that post.)

Last, if there was something that suggested that you actually believed IIoA wasn't a scumtell, you would not be seen as scummy right now. No dilemma.

[Vi]

Cut.

Had you said 572 a while ago we wouldn't be here like this.