Open 183 - Polygamist Mafia (Game Over!)

[SensFan]

Ha Ha.... Ohh No!!! Yabba caught me! I claimed the wrong lover! Ok even if I was being serious in that first post, how is that scummy at all?

Scum have more than 1 Lover.

Mod: Are you absolutely positively certain that you did not give DeathNote a Jester PM, by accident?

[Chaco]

Exactly what I was wondering.

There is no reason to edit times even 'if' you are removing and adding parts. They're not going to know what times you responded, so why would you match those times? There'd be no reason, and you're grasping.

[dramonic]

Mod: Are you absolutely positively certain that you did not give DeathNote a Jester PM, by accident?

Actually he's the triple-voter-day-PGO-miller-vig-with-stripes.

Nah, I sent him the correct PM

[DeathNote]

Mod: Are you absolutely positively certain that you did not give DeathNote a Jester PM, by accident?

Actually he's the triple-voter-day-PGO-miller-vig-with-stripes.

Nah, I sent him the correct PM

QFT

[dramonic]

For reference, Dramonic, in between the two Chaco posts, told us (presumably in response to the question I asked him by PM) that we could quote the dialogue in the QT, but not him. Chaco misinterpretted that, and thought Dramonic had said we COULD quote him, thus "we can quote you and auto clear ourself", and then Dramonic clarified that no, we couldn't quote him.

Or paraphrase him.
Like you just did.
Twice.
Oh wait...

Mod scene coming...

[cpat]

Does this mean his lover also dies? Also, does day end?

[yabbaguy]

Remember, it's Nightless.

[SensFan]

What the fuck? Since when can I not paraphrase what the Mod tells me? Oops, guess you might as well modkill everyone that said they were a Lover, or who their Lover is.

Oh, and you can also modkill Adel for telling me you said we couldn't screenshot, and that you said we could quote the QTs.

Oh look, you just modkilled the entire game.

[SensFan]

Oh, and I just checked the QuickTopic, Mod. You don't mention anything about paraphrasing.

[dramonic]

19)

Mod and PM quoting:

If you quote a PM from you to me/me to you, you will die. If you quote your team number you will die.

Don't be a smartass and paraphrase/code/whatever those info either

. If I catch you, you WILL be modkilled. However,

you can quote your role PM if you wish, but it’s an open setup...

Players, PM me if you think I'm being too rough. In the meantime, Sensfan is not modkilled yet.

Edit: Nevermind

[SensFan]

Either modkill me and Adel and end the game, or don't modkill anyone.

If ridiculously dumb modding practices are going to be used, at least use them fairly.

[dramonic]

Answering a mechanic question is not a modkillable offense.

But since you'd rather get killed...

[yabbaguy]

Sens, quit throwing temper-tantrums in-thread. PM the mod if you have problems, but believe me, there are several players and mods who are sick of you complaining every damn time something doesn't go your way.

[dramonic]

Accusations fly left and right. "You're a mafioso!", "No, you are!"
Nobody seems to take notice of Sens, who seem a bit twitchy. You look at him. He's suspect allright...

"I know I'm a good one... The gods... they told me that, you know, me and Chaco would live happily forever!"

Yeah, he's definitely not mentally stable. You raise the gun and aim towards him, but as you're about to shoot a meteor falls on him. Looks like it wasn't his day...

Sensfan, monogamist, modkilled for breaking rule 19 day 1

You hear a loud scream behind you. Before you have time to react Chaco is unto you, ferociously prying the gun out of your hand. You fall to the ground helplessly, the man being stronger than you are. You shot your eyes tightly as he points the gun at you.

BLAM!

You open your eyes again... You're not dead?

You stagger as some blood splatters unto you. You look up to see Chaco. He's staring in front of himself blankly, the gun still pointed under his chin. He drops to the floor, dead.

Chaco, monogamist, suicided day 1

[dramonic]

After picking up the corpse and burying them accordingly, since you don't want them littering the streets, you look at your watch. 12:30. Time sure flies...

"All over again"

The Sixth Count: 12:30

Not voting (10): Saberwolf, Cpat, Nikanor, DarkLightA, Yabbaguy, Adel, DeathNote, SpyreX, Zazie, Yankee

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Deadline is December 5th

[DarkLightA]

DarkLight, you still have yet to explain why I would doctor a QT to have someone respond to a question in the same minute. Something that's basically impossible.

Especially given the reason for the error I've given is more than realistic.

Oh, sorry, I thought I already had. What I'm thinking is that it's probable that the first person posted, but made an error and had an EBWOP in the same minute. Then later, this was doctored, and the time stamps were kept the same. This ended up going wrong though..

That's just a thought.

[DeathNote]

Well now we have to get it right.

[cpat]

Does this mean we're at LyLo now? Because if we lynch another townie, we'll have 4 townies and 4 mafia...

[dramonic]

Yes, this is LyLo

[yabbaguy]

Re-Vote: DeathNote

I can safely do that.

[DeathNote]

No you can't. Game over, scum wins if I die.

[Chaco]

...what the fuck...seriously?

[Yankee]

Vote: Zazier

For reasons stated earlier.

[yabbaguy]

No you can't. Game over, scum wins if I die.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... to_emotion

This probably explains a lot of why you're getting lynched so damn often.

Now if you'll actually answer my question, was that initial post a reference to Adel as your lover?

[Adel]

sorry, "yes" was supposed to cover everything, except for the title.

~~~

in the order of appearance:

SensFan & Chaco

Chaco 11-10-2009 08:43 PM ET (US)
Sup Sens?

Sens 11-10-2009 08:43 PM ET (US)
Not much. You?

Chaco 11-11-2009 06:58 AM ET (US)
Just sick. So anything you want to know, need me to know before we start?

Sens 11-11-2009 12:30 PM ET (US)
Don't post until I do when the thread opens. Trust me, I have a plan.

Chaco 11-11-2009 08:59 PM ET (US)
Care to enlighten or are we going about this blindly?

Chaco 11-12-2009 04:59 PM ET (US)
So you're essentially saying we can quote you and auto clear ourself? Not cool.

Adel & SpyreX

adelisscum 11-12-2009 04:38 PM ET (US) Lets urge people to wait until day 2, but I don't want to waste too much time arguing over it.

older runs of this setup:
open 76 mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8448
open 83 mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8809
open 88 mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9086
open 135 mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11158
open 145 mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11397

note the following rules from our mod's rule set:

5) Deadlines: Deadline will be 3 weeks.
6) Mass Inactivity: In an act of pure villainy, I may shorten the deadline if I deem the activity level is unsatisfactory. You will be warned if I want you fellows to pick up the pace.
7) Deadline Lynches: If no single player has enough votes for a lynch at the deadline, The person with the highest votecount will be lynched. Deadlines are there for a reason.

Because of the deadline rules it is to the advantage of scum to lurk and stall. Therefor "scumtells" in this setup must include lurking and stalling. After day 1 (when an active pair of players will probably get lynched by another active pair of players, unless a village idiot pulls a noose over his head and tightens the knot) I expect that whomever types the most will probably win. Beware of townie apathy -- it could kill us in this game.

SpyreX 11-12-2009 01:08 AM ET (US) I know last time we talked about partner claiming on day 2 and I think it will work, what are your thoughts?

(and yea, no bad blood - lets win this piggy)

adelisscum 11-11-2009 11:46 PM ET (US) 'sup Spryex. I'm happy to share an alignment with you again. Our last game together wasn't too friendly, but I'm sure we will both have more fun this time.

I think we should keep from claiming partners until day 2. I remember putting a lot of thought into the theory behind why, but I don't recall all of the reasons why it is a good idea right now.. but I'm sure it will come back to me.

have you played against any of these people before? I only recognize, SensFan and ZazieR. I don't have a meta on ZazieR, but I am something 3-0 or 4-0 against SensFan. If he is scum I don't think he will try to lynch me, and if he is town I think he might be willing to work with me.


SpyreX 11-10-2009 10:43 PM ET (US) Sup Adel - kinda funny we end up together again. Hopefully we can pull it out through some more voodoo like last time.

Deathnote & Yankee

11-12-2009 10:43 AM ET (US)
lol, good luck to you too


11-11-2009 02:36 AM ET (US)
I am DeathNote. This is just my name for all my QTs. Sorry if I confused you... :/

I don't know what we could talk about pre game as we don't know anything yet... but I will wish you good luck!!!


11-11-2009 01:03 AM ET (US)
lol! you too..... Also, i thought it was DeathNote as my lover, are you a replacement or something?


11-11-2009 12:09 AM ET (US)
I love you Yankee... so much.

yabbaguy & saberwolf

Saber's my lover and did not post in the QT at any point.

Nikanor & DarkLightA

Nikanor

11-10-2009 08:31 PM ET (US)
Whooo! Hey lover! <3
Most important thing: What do you think about claiming day one? I think a massclaim first thing is probably the best way to go. How about you?

DarkLightA

11-12-2009 10:19 AM ET (US)
Sorry, I didn't realize that this was up. Claiming day one is probably best. Do you know anything about the other players?

-DLA

Zaz & Cuetlachtli

Zaz

11-12-2009 11:14 AM ET (US)
Good thing of a mass lover claim:
Due to everybody being lovers, you'll have to focus on multiple players. For example, Saberwolf may act scummy, but his claimed lover Sensfan has been extremely pro-town. Both share the same allignment. By killing one, the other will die too. So will you vote scummy SW, while knowing it will kill very likely townie SF as well?
This question is very important and with a mass lover claim, we can focus on it a lot.

The negative thing is that the claims are out, meaning that the scum have to keep their fake claims up. This might result in less information from the scum.

Cuetlachtli

11-11-2009 02:53 PM ET (US)
What is the point of a mass lover claim if everyone claims monogamist? What are our alternatives?

Zaz

11-11-2009 07:09 AM ET (US)
As said by Dram, we're dealing with 4 town pairs and one group of scum, consisting out of four members.
This is basically a lovers set-up. And in both, it's important that you look at connections. Because if one scum die, they all die. Meaning that the scum will be more careful, which is what we should use in our advantage.
Another thing that might be useful is meta. As said, if one dies, all scum die. It might be possible that some players adjust their playstyle for this reason. The scum also might give tips to each other to help each other out after they may not talk in the QT anymore. This is another reason why meta may be useful.

Also, don't lie low. Our objective is catching scum, not surviving.

Some other things:
-I know from Sens that he likes to random lynch a player in the Lovers set-up. He might do this as well in this game.
-Adel uses Vote Counts to look for scum in polygamist games as it can show possible connections.
-The scum will most likely use the 48 hours to make two pairs in case a mass lover claim comes.
*Also, about this, can you state here if you're in favor of a mass lover claim and why?
-Every player has only 48 hours to talk in their QT's, including the scum. This may be useful during the game as we can ask what each claimed pair has discussed during pregame. Townie pairs will speak the truth, the two scum pairs will most likely have to fake it. This is what happened in a previous polygamist game.
This should only be used after a mass lover claim.

Can't think of anything else right now.

Cuetlachtli

11-11-2009 05:39 AM ET (US)
The polygamist PM ends with "you win when your group composes at least half the town." Therefore, the soonest that the polygamist can win is Day 3.

I say we lay low during the beginning and hope one of the 6 polygamist makes a mistake. Thoughts?

Cuetlachtli

11-11-2009 05:29 AM ET (US)
So there are 12 players. Dramonic's example PMs imply that the monogamist teams consist of 2 players, while the polygamist teams consist of 3 players. So if these numbers are true, then there should be 2 teams of polygamist and 3 teams of monogamist. Or: 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 = 12.

Cuetlachtli

11-11-2009 12:09 AM ET (US)
Ahoy! So this is my first "lovers" game. Do you have any strategic plans in mind?

Would everyone please rate these claims, in order of least scummy to most scummy? I would like this to go in a certain order.

I want DarkLightA to answer first, and for him to name who answers next. The order of listing the scumminess of the claims will proceed in popcorn fashion from there.

That's my list.

My apologies for being asleep

thanks for answering DLA, please pick the next person to state the order of claims, from most scummy to least scummy.