Legacy of the Ancients Mafia (That's All, Folks!)

[Starbuck]

Vote: Maemuki

For being way too lurky in the last few games I've played with her.

[Starbuck]

Lurking is disrespectful to everyone. Why don't you just participate instead of using it as your excuse?

[Starbuck]

Hey FL, do you realize that your sig still says "No replacements needed for MtG: Parallel Universe Mafia"? =P

[Starbuck]

How do you explain the MtG game then? He really wasn't that scummy, and he was lynched day one.

[Starbuck]

The last time I opposed a D1 lynch of zwet, he turned out to be town, but I was suspect the rest of the game until endgame when I turned out to be town too.

[Starbuck]

I do have to agree with Kai about Zwet. I thought he was doing very well in MtG: Parallel Universe. What bothered me was that no one else really picked up on the fact that he wasn't being his normal zany Zwetty self.

I definitely think we could do some scumhunting without all this policy lynch crap going on.

[Starbuck]

Votes required to lynch:

14

Note the existence of an extra vote hidden somewhere.

...or a mod error . We shall see.

It's not a mod error. I'm listed twice because I'm a double voter. Go back and look at all the vote counts.

[Starbuck]

I'm kind of wary of those easily jumping on the SSK bandwagon.

[Starbuck]

Totally buying reck-scum.

And Starbuck? This would be a good game for an anti-town double voter.

I wish I didn't have an ability that's normally on the scummy end of the spectrum, but not much I can do about it.

[Starbuck]

You obviously haven't played with Zwet to understand why people just prefer to policy lynch him. I understand it, but it doesn't mean I agree with it.

[Starbuck]

You obviously haven't played with Zwet to understand why people just prefer to policy lynch him. I understand it, but it doesn't mean I agree with it.

I haven't, so?

And are you the one that doesn't read metas?

Because I can't really explain Zwet unless you read some of his past games.

[Starbuck]

No. Because zwet will continue to be impossible to read the entire game.

Just because you can't read him doesn't mean nobody can read him.

QFT

[Starbuck]

So if his death could possibly help scum, how is it pro-town to lynch him?

[Starbuck]

I'm definitely not liking that Slicey won't answer this:

@Slicey: Explain why you need to be on the wagon. If you do, I'll unvote.

That being said. I definitely think this SSK bandwagon happened much too quickly, and with the fact that Slicey refuses to provide any information, I'm gonna

Vote: Slicey

[Starbuck]

I've had a rather busy weekend, catching up now.

[Starbuck]

@Amished - You say I have been mostly noise, but currently it's the weekend for me (as I live in Sicily). So I haven't been around. The thread has also moved rather quickly.

I definitely think that vig kill was a waste, but I think the Day 0 lynch was an even bigger waste on SSK.

BTW, you probably shouldn't get all gleeful over my impending death yet:

Ultimate:

Ultimate: Requiem of the Last Day (passive - triggered)

- The first time you would be killed by a targeted ability this game, instead you aren't. (Lynches aren't targeted.)

Renumeration: Wipe from Reality

- You die at the end of the day after this Renumeration activates, and nothing can prevent this. (You don't die on the day that you were targeted by a triggered ability, but rather at the end of the day after that.)

I'm taking this as an impending wasted vig kill.




Can someone catch me up about the case on DeathNote? I'm not really getting it.



@Kai - How can you guarantee it? That kill could have been scum or 3rd party, or maybe even an SK. There's more possibilities (at least with this set up) than just scum. We can't just tunnel on the scum faction when the kills (thus far) have shown otherwise.

[Starbuck]

Dramonic, where was it said that lynching Xyl isn't an option? Targeting him with a kill is, but as he quoted from his PM earlier, lynches aren't targeted.

[Starbuck]

I'm also still waiting to see the case on DeathNote.

[Starbuck]

Just read DN in ISO:


His first 4 posts are useless fluff.

Then we have a bit of role speculation:

This is a fairly power heavy game so I expect there is a RB or Tracker, if not both.

Man... go to work and look what happens when I get back. So according to Slicey, Reck was pro town. Can you share any other information with us at this time?

I wouldn't say he's been completely anti-town towards the end of his posts, but with our vig taking out Xyl (who is the scummiest imho) then DeathNote's a good second.

Vote: DeathNote

I'm a bit concerned still, though, about a couple people.


The first is Maemuki. She has thus sunk back into her normal lurking playstyle and doing nothing to help scumhunt. She has just hopped on the bandwagons as they have come along and has really added nothing to the table.

@Tar - The second is animopherv1, who HAS NOT POSTED AT ALL.

[Starbuck]

Mufasa - You've played with me before and I know you see my gender. Quit calling me, "he".

dramonic - I was thinking of saving my other one to hopefully pressure one of our inactives into speaking or saving it for the hammer. I can put it on now if you guys want and get us that closer to a claim.

[Starbuck]

Amazing, how the minute someone posts something about him, he shows up!

FOS: Animo

[Starbuck]

Amazing, how the minute someone posts something about him, he shows up!

FOS: Animo

Yea. I know. Lucky, huh?

Either way, I don't really have much to say as of yet. Will get back with something when I see someone do something scummy.

You have added nothing to the game what so ever.

There has been plenty of scumminess and yourself included.

Vote:Animo

For trying to lay low, showing up when being called out (which proves to me he's been following along with the game), and not seeing absolutely anything scummy within the game thus far

[Starbuck]

Looks more like ani's just giving up.

With how he showed up as soon as his name was mentioned, it makes me feel like he's been following along with the game and hoping that his name didn't turn up.

[Starbuck]

How did I hammer?

The lynch is currently on DeathNote.

I have a vote on DeathNote and a vote on Animo.

[Starbuck]

Skimming = Not scumhunting

Not scumhunting = Scummy

Not picking up anything unusual with a game such as this = Scummy

My vote remains until you post something comprehensive.

[Starbuck]

Wow, lots going on during my overnight.

I definitely don't like that Xyl assumes that I hammered, even with his explanation following. It really bugs me.

@Animo

I'm town. Plain and simple.

saying this when you aren't confirmed means nothing

So, I'll go back and read the last few pages. I'll note whatever I see scummy.

This should have been your first instinct.

Not your 'okay, I guess..."

Passively waiting = antitown.

I'm sorry, you haven't posted for 22/23 pages. I want a lot more than just some half assed one liners from you.

QFT

@Kairyuu

That progression does not make sense.

It wasn't a progression. It was more of a listing of my thoughts.

@SocioPath

I find it rather odd that you put yourself out there like that. I didn't mention you earlier because you had contributed to the game. You didn't post in like a week, but Animo had no posts at all until he was called out, and as soon as I called him out he posted. This alone has me suspicious because it was like he was trying to hide.

I really don't like this speculation:

For anyone still living that is an outsider, or forsaken, or other factions:
Does it say that you guys DON'T count as a faction as far as game ending purposes?

You really think the scum are going to reveal themselves?


DoS hit this perfectly on the head here:

True, but I don't like that you are basically asking people to claim right now either.

@Zwet

^I rest my case. Complete indifference = no longer cares

How can you say this when he didn't make his first post until the 22nd page of the game? It's not that he no longer cares, it's that he didn't care to begin with, or he's scum who was trying to stay under the radar and failed miserably.

@DeathNote

It's STARBUCK, not Starbucks.

@Tar

Maemuki has suddenly become silent. Normally, if I mention her name, she posts, but I'm rather annoyed with it now and I'm going to ask for a replacement.

Also, you still have xRx listed as among the living on the first page. Unless that's a game dynamic of some kind.

[Starbuck]

Any more blind how?

You aren't around and are lurking thus causing jackassery (to steal Tar's word). This is what you do every single game. You come up with excuses how you just can't post or can't be bothered to keep up with the game. I prefer to have people in game with me that give a damn. If that's too hard for you to understand, then don't join a game that I'm a part of.

[Starbuck]

I've been dealing with family stuff, as my Great Grandmother passed away last night.

Posting official V/LAs in all my games.

[Starbuck]

@Mufasa - What kind of proof do you have?

[Starbuck]

I am a informational role with a very large reason to believe Sociopath is scum. Sociopath, full claim.

Vote Sociopath

Thats ridiculous, and wrong. Well, the process might not be wrong, but the conclusions you are drawing are.

Why am I wrong sociopath? That was not a full claim. I see zero reason to believe you are town at the moment.

You said you "see" no reason and that you have a "very large reason". Nothing that you've said so far has been concrete.

[Starbuck]

Mufasa, you really didn't give a reasoning. You just said that you had a reason that "may" prove that he was scum. You didn't say you had irrefutable reasons or did you even give those reasons. How do we know that you didn't bus?

[Starbuck]

He never gave his reason though. Anyone could type that out in say that, but he didn't provide us with any information.

I'm glad to see that he's right, but we don't know WHY he's right.

[Starbuck]

How do we know that you have the best interests of the town? You could be an Outsider or a Forsaken for all we know.

[Starbuck]

I'm not denying that you successfully nailed scum. I'm applauding you for it.

The only thing that bothers me is that you didn't give any indication other than you had "a reason". You easily could have been bussing. You could be an investigative role, but not a pro-town one. There's many possibilities here because you ARE NOT confirmed town in any way.

[Starbuck]

@Starbuck- Why are you in Mufasa's face? I think your just throwing mud to try and discredit here. Could it not be just as likely from my perspective that you were trying to protect Sociopath?

I'm not trying to discredit Mufasa, but I think only saying that you have a reason to believe that someone is scum rather than stating that reason is questionable. It definitely seems like he's trying to cover his own tail.

I'm going to remind you again that Mufasa is NOT confirmed. Looking at the different factions that have flipped thus far, and it makes me question Mufasa's motives.

[Starbuck]

But you just aid that Tar sent you this:

[quote=dramonic]Wait, is that a bloodstain on your wall? Did something happen while you were away?[/quote]

Why are you only assuming that it was you that was being aimed at?

A number of things could be happening here.

[Starbuck]

dramonic, did you mean "credible"?

[Starbuck]

Stop floating along Mae...

Vote: Maemuki

You have 3 posts in the last 6 days.

[Starbuck]

Normally when I say her name she shows up, it's kinda like Beetlejuice.

[Starbuck]

I want Mufasa-replacement to explain why I'm scummy based on their results asap.

I also want zwet to answer to my question.

So demanding.

[Starbuck]

Can we get this non game talk out of the game please?

[Starbuck]

So why isn't Xyl dead yet?

[Starbuck]

Requesting Prods on the following:

Vaya - Last Post, Monday November 23rd

Seraphim - Last Post, Sunday November 15th. Also Seraphim only has 2 posts in the entire game.

Maemuki - Last Post, Thursday November 26th

Snow_Bunny - Last Post, Thursday November 26th

[Starbuck]

How lovely that the minute I post for prods people always seem to show up. I wonder why that is?

[Starbuck]

Vote: Xyl

Vote: Xyl

[Starbuck]

I just wanted you to post more and if asking for a replacement for you did that, then I did my job.

[Starbuck]

It should take 7 to lynch with 11 people. You're at L-1.

[Starbuck]

It says in Tar's opening vote count that it takes 6 votes to lynch. I went back and re-read it when Xyl quoted it.

[Starbuck]

That really doesn't seem like a Town-style action imho.

[Starbuck]

Mae, can you talk to the people that you invite onto your talk show?

[Starbuck]

Dramonic, you just said Xyl is Forbidden.

Is he Forbidden or Forsaken?

[Starbuck]

Mod: V/LA until Monday

I am sorry for any inconvenience.

Tar, just curious, but this was his V/LA post on Weds, Nov 11th. V/LA until Monday should have been the 16th. Although, he did make a post on the 15th. That's still exactly 2 weeks ago now.

He's been plenty active elsewhere (you can see it via his profile) and has not been active here.

Check his sig. Though I'm keeping an eye on whether he reappears in the game he's modding.

Also remember that I can't prod until three days into the day at any rate. - Tar

[Starbuck]

I already claimed. I had to because I'm the Ancient Double Voter.

[Starbuck]

Keep moving, keep changing. The Shadows can't kill what they can't hide.

Just don't change so much that you forget who you are...

Welcome to Legacy of the Ancients Mafia,

Starbuck

. You are

The Untouchable

, one of the most influential voices in the High Council. You've gained a knack for being nearly impossible to attack over the years, a knack that has earned you considerable influence in the High Council and wider Ancient Society. But will your knack keep you safe against the Shadow menace?

Race

: Ancient

Faction

: Ancient

You are the

Ancient Double Voter

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities

:

High Councilor

- You are a member of the High Council, along with

DragonsofSummer

,

xRECKONERx

,

dramonic

,

forbiddanlight

,

malthusis

, and

Boxman

. You may talk to other High Councilors outside the thread at any time using this QuickTopic. Each day, the High Council may, by majority vote, send one of their own to implement a special decree. (The High Council is NOT a faction.)

Active Abilities

:

Double Voter

- You have an additional vote at your disposal, for a total of two votes. These votes are independent and can be used at your disposal. (

This applies in High Council votes as well.

)

Ultimate

:

Ultimate: Requiem of Time (Active)

- Once during the game, you may phase yourself out of the game for one (1) game period (day + twilight), removing yourself from the game and returning to the game when this effect ends. Any game action other than lynching that would affect you during that period is negated (

lynches resolve as normal

). You cannot post, vote, or use abilities while phased out. This is a Rapid Action - Special (

it resolves immediately upon receipt

).

Renumeration: Wipe from Reality (Passive - Triggered)

- For the rest of the game, you don't count as a player when calculating factional win conditions.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (Ancient)

: You win when all other factions have left the game, or nothing can prevent the same. Your faction counts as a faction when calculating the standard factional win condition. (

The Ancients have the standard factional win condition.

)

Please confirm via return PM.

[Starbuck]

Sorry, I'm in the middle of doing laundry and packing because my flight leaves early tomorrow morning to fly back to the States' for my Great Grandmother's memorial service.

[Starbuck]

I did implement Double Day yesterday.

I'm not scum or a 3rd party.

[Starbuck]

Agh, we've been revealed!

I confirm what FL says. I can also confirm that Mae is definitely the celebrity she claims to be. Weither she's lying about her faction I have no clue, but I got blocked by papparazis last night. =_=


Sajin, I'm not sure what you want to say, but I saw you as ancient N1. And obviously Xyl Forbidden N0.

How do you know you were blocked by paparazzis? I wasn't informed of that when I got blocked.

Neither was I. Maemuki is claiming that she kidnapped me, but I had no idea of it.

[Starbuck]

Ok...well...Starbuck, why would you be seen targetting Bogre?

I have no idea because I never targeted him.

I targeted for our Double Day. Unless there's a redirector out there somewhere.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck

Ok...well...Starbuck, why would you be seen targetting Bogre?

Please answer, over

Can you wait like 5 seconds while I finish my catch up since I just WOKE UP?

[Starbuck]

Where I have I claimed no active abilities?

My active ability is double-voting. You said you tracked me. What are the chances that it showed that he visited me and not the other way around?

[Starbuck]

We have an investigate left and I have nothing against being investigated.

[Starbuck]

I have been investigated innocent by the council.

This is incorrect. I don't know where this came from, but we HAVE NOT used an investigate on you.

Starbuck, let me know in your next post if you are going to filibuster a protection on the dayvig as well as an investigation or kill on Zwett or you have voted to pass those.

I haven't voted on any of those.

I have agreed pretty much with everything that the council has done except for what has been going on as of late. There's a chance we may lose dramonic by doing a certain action. FL and dramonic want me to vote for this action, and even though it is assured to me that dramonic will survive, I really do not want to take the chance.

[Starbuck]

I don't like this control that you seem to be trying to exert. This really bothers me.

[Starbuck]

Also unless dramonic investigated you of his own accord, you were NEVER investigated by the Council.

[Starbuck]

One more thing, I'm not immune to investigations. It seems that Mae blocked anything that dramonic was supposed to do that night.

[Starbuck]

Also unless dramonic investigated you of his own accord, you were NEVER investigated by the Council.

Me? Well, we already implemented that one didn't we ^-^.

If you mean Sajin, as I said, dramonic investigated him. Dramonic has said this several times in thread. Sajin at least appears to be ancient, if we trust dram.

I meant Sajin. You and I posted at the exact same time.

[Starbuck]

Also, FL, you are saying that Sajin appears to be Ancient, but he's trying to say that he's confirmed and I'm not comfortable with that when he is not.

[Starbuck]

I do not really feel like hammering this do to previous bad things. Animorpherv do you mind self hammering?

He's already voting for himself. I'm a bit uneasy with that.

[Starbuck]

Nice quicklynch, and not giving me any chance to defend myself.

I did have some information for all of you. dramonic and UK pushed me to condemn Mae. My concern for holding off for awhile was because I was worried that Mae was right and we'd lose dramonic too. And look what happened!


My question is if Vaya and Snow_Bunny are Outsiders. Why are we not lynching them? The Outsiders being alive is against our Ancient Win Condition!

[Starbuck]

Has either of you listed your role PM?

[Starbuck]

Win Condition (Ancient)

: You win when all other factions have left the game, or nothing can prevent the same. Your faction counts as a faction when calculating the standard factional win condition.

(The Ancients have the standard factional win condition.)

The Outsiders definitely are their own faction. I don't like how you two are trying to play this out like you are trying to help our town when you are not.

[Starbuck]

If I didn't know that UK was Ancient, I would swear she was scum.

I really don't like when people try to use their performances in other games (in her case TradTimm) as a point of defense when a good chunk of us weren't even in the game.

[Starbuck]

The only targeting abilities that I have are the ones that are for the council. I have no idea what this Heart Stop ability is and I was definitely framed and/or redirected.

[Starbuck]

I want to kill off these anti-town people as much as the rest of our Ancient community does. This quicklynch is definitely fueled by scum and I have asked the council to grant me a decree that lets me survive so I can help win the game.

UK has thus denied me, and I think it's really sad of her that she did.

[Starbuck]

I definitely could have been. Do I know definitely? No, I do not, but it seems that many others have some highly powerful actions they can make.

[Starbuck]

and/or redirected.

Ah, but you "don't have any active abilities", right?

So what could have been redirected?

I'm throwing out possibilities of what could have happened. You seem to want to tear me apart and throw me to the wolves. Let's not forget to mention that I DID NOT WANT to condemn Mae. But who was pushing it so hard, PROMISING ME that dramonic was GOING TO BE PROTECTED?? You were. And what happened? He WASN'T protected.

So do me a favor, and explain what happened.

[Starbuck]

I refuse to reply to anyone who's being blatantly insulting.

[Starbuck]

I'm throwing out possibilities of what could have happened. You seem to want to tear me apart and throw me to the wolves. Let's not forget to mention that I DID NOT WANT to condemn Mae. But who was pushing it so hard, PROMISING ME that dramonic was GOING TO BE PROTECTED?? You were. And what happened? He WASN'T protected.

Congratulations, you are using the fact that my Ultimate was worded vaguely to argue against me. This isn't about me or my affiliation. This is about yours. I don't see what Mae OR dram have at ALL to do with this.

Remember, I SHOWED you my ultimate, and you brought up NOTHING against it. As it turns out the "at the beginning of the next day" part applied to the ENTIRE thing, not just the two extra votes to lynch portion, which is why dram died.

I think I explained this in the council thread as well ^-^.

The only thing I wanted to state about that was your constant pressure on me to vote to condemn Mae. You have been bloodthirsty this entire game. I'm glad there are no more condemns left.

[Starbuck]

Huh. Damn, didn't quite make it to endgame. Curse you Starbuck!

Glad it ended well, that was a rather precarious situation. We should have just directly condemned Starbuck but we realized it too late :S.

You were supposed to die and not dramonic.

If you read the scum QT, I unvoted dramonic and killed Sajin, but still kept the kill on you for double day.

Tar told me I wasn't clear enough, although I really don't see how I could have been clearer.

Hint: Don't use the word "Unvote" when trying to move a kill. Try something like "Retarget the kill currently targeting dramonic to target UncertainKitten", or even just "Kill: UncertainKitten, Kill: Sajin" (the latter would have been interpreted by me as you updating your kill list). - Tar

[Starbuck]

I wanna know who targetted me?

And how can I improve my play?

Starbuck probably did. Also your ability was best not claimed. Should of claimed redirector.

Also you wanting to be lynched was horrible. You were less effective in the graveyard, not moreso.

But you were not as bad as zwet. Zwet you had a suicide bomb. You could of used that! I ASKED FOR A ROLE PM!

Sajin, assumptions are never a good thing.

[Starbuck]

HER

[Starbuck]

@TOD - It was personal. =)

/pre-in for MS4

[Starbuck]

No, our goal was to take out the high council. As I said, you should have died and not dramonic.

[Starbuck]

You's was business =)