MacavityLock wrote:Is this true of the geek-wagon as well, or only the Suave-wagon? Is this negated if Suave is actually scum?Nuwen wrote:Suave's wagon is one of classic opportunism. There's gotta be scum on it.
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I don't see how the wagons on Geek and Suave are comparable - Suave is going to be lynched for being quite useless, inexperienced, and one of the weaker links in the game.MacavityLock wrote:Hi Nuwen again! I asked you a question in 426. An answer please.MacavityLock wrote:
Is this true of the geek-wagon as well, or only the Suave-wagon? Is this negated if Suave is actually scum?Nuwen wrote:Suave's wagon is one of classic opportunism. There's gotta be scum on it.
No. If Suave flips scum, expect an early/mid wagon bus from at least one other team member. I don't think that Suave is any more likely to be scum than random, however.So high, so low, so many things to know.
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Awesome. Point it out please. Give us a nice one post recap including quotes.julienvonwolfe wrote:I've given my Suave case already.
Here's my case on Suave:
Suave starts out in iso 8 with the "3rd person on wagon" scumtell. First, he ignores my question multiple times about where that tell comes from. Finally, in iso 12 he acknowledges that he got it from an on-going game from some person of unknown alignment in that game. Note first that this is a bad play for anyone to make, but that could just as easily be VI than scum. However, it's also classic passing the buck. "Oh, hey, it can't point to my scumminess. I got this theory from someone else!" In his iso 14, he responds to the less interesting of my two points and fails to acknowledge the more interesting.
Iso 20 he talks about claiming. As I stated before, I think that for a newb-ish player like Suave, as scum he would be more antsy and try to do something big to hopefully shift focus. See my iso 19 for more complete explanation.
He's done quite literally nothing pro-town. He hasn't scum-hunted, he's added nothing to the game. Note that this is distinct from actively being anti-town.
Additionally, I think we'll learn from Suave's lynch. There been a useful bandwagon to examine, and there have been a few connections otherwise. Once again, this is not a reason to lynch, but just a point that I don't think a "lack of connections" issue exists to prevent a lynch.-
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Vote Count (D1)
tubby216 (1) -- ErictheRed
Hoopla (1) -- MrSuave
MrSuave (5) -- julienvonwolfe, MacavityLock,ekiM, xRECKONERx, tubby216
julienvonwolfe (3) -- iamausername, Symbol, Torqez
Torqez (1) -- Hoopla
Not Voting (1) -- Nuwen
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: 12 NOV 2009 at 5:15 pm UTC (Countdown)
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I still don't buy the Suave wagon, at all. I'm considering the Julien one, though. I'll isoread him and see if I feel he's scummier than Tubby, but the idea of anyone being scummier than Tubby is simply ridiculous.
Suave, claiming for no reason is absolutely stupid. While I agree with Symbol and find it a towntell, you're just trying to claim for the sake of claiming now, which is kind of making me paranoid about being wrong about you.
I would consider an angry PBPA about considering a scummy player town as a tirade, myself. But newbies tend to think that being lynched is tantamount to losing the game and a horrible thing regardless of their alignment. I'm not saying that Geek didn't do anything scummy, but if a newbtownie is coming under fire for legitimate reasons I don't think it's unreasonable to believe he'd be scared off. That said, I can also see now how you came to your own conclusion.iamausername wrote:Hi, haaaaave you met Post #211? Specifically the final paragraph? I totally agree that it would have been perfectly reasonable for someone to question my town read on Reck.
Well, first up, I disagree that geek replacing out when she did was either a) a result of game-overloading, or b) a null-tell. It was quite clearly a direct response to the fact that she was coming under heavy suspicion, and I think that is definitely more likely to be a scum reaction. Where newbscum will think "Oh god, they've caught me, I might as well give up", I'd expect newbtown to think more along the lines of "Why are they suspectingme? What's wrong with these people?" and probably go off on an angry tirade about it, not to run away scared.
I really can't see where Geek openly denied attacking Nuwen or even ignored a question in the second quote in your explanation post; you said Geek "is clearly insinuating that Nuwen's questioning Suave's age is scummy, but refuses to actually say so outright", while it looks more to me like he's just asking for clarification. The only really clear thing is that Geek had no idea why that would be helpful in weeding out noise in reads on Suave.There's also that whole bit with attacking Nuwen but refusing to actually admit that she was attacking Nuwen that was the reason I voted geek in the first place. There's nothing that you yourself have done as yet that's screaming out as scummy, but there's equally nothing that makes me think you are town.-- Erik-
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Be reasonable Suave, would you really want to kill me?MrSuave wrote:well my opinion is still going to stand on going for Hoopla. I also don't like REC, but the JW... I never concidered him, even though he has been on me for the most of the game. Even though it's a little tempting to jump on that wagon, I'm staying with Hoopla till I think it better to be off.-
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Hmm.... =___=Hoopla wrote:
Be reasonable Suave, would you really want to kill me?MrSuave wrote:well my opinion is still going to stand on going for Hoopla. I also don't like REC, but the JW... I never concidered him, even though he has been on me for the most of the game. Even though it's a little tempting to jump on that wagon, I'm staying with Hoopla till I think it better to be off.
well in a normal situation when you don't feel like you're a spy, then no I wouldn't want to kill you. but you are a spy, and I want to kill spys.-
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Wow. I don't even know where to start with this. The whole idea behind a claim is that we don't lynch a vital power role. Shutting Suave up is a terrible idea if he is in fact town and if he is in fact a power role.EriktheRed wrote:Suave, claiming for no reason is absolutely stupid. While I agree with Symbol and find it a towntell, you're just trying to claim for the sake of claiming now, which is kind of making me paranoid about being wrong about you.-
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Or we just don't lynch him...? Then a claim is a pretty stupid idea, which is my point. Unless you'd LIKE scum to NK a power role?Wow. I don't even know where to start with this. The whole idea behind a claim is that we don't lynch a vital power role. Shutting Suave up is a terrible idea if he is in fact town and if he is in fact a power role.-- Erik-
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MacavityLock wrote:
Awesome. Point it out please. Give us a nice one post recap including quotes.julienvonwolfe wrote:I've given my Suave case already.
Then, of course, there was the meta I have on him.julienvonwolfe wrote:I'm perfectly happy voting for Suave since he's lurking and has made no pro-town contribution.
Finally, Suave has had all game to try and get my vote off him by being pro-town, but he hasn't. He's lurked, he's made a BS case on Hoopla, he lurked some more, and he comes back to reiterate the BS case on Hoopla. Sheesh.
Can you explain how?MacavityLock wrote:He's done quite literally nothing pro-town. He hasn't scum-hunted, he's added nothing to the game. Note that this is distinct from actively being anti-town.-
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why so serious? but really, why are you so eager to kill me? are you trying to seem less scummy? =Otubby216 wrote:so can we just get some more suave votes pls thankx
I'm just comparing to Korlash is all. No matter how I look at that game, and this game, your play is so different, and you were so pro town in korlash (because you were town), and now you just seem random, so I'm saying you're a spy (aka scum). I mean, it's pretty hard to be pro town when you want the town dead right? ^_^Hoopla wrote:What makes you so certain?-
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ok if you're using a heath ledger quoute so am i.MrSuave wrote:
why so serious? but really, why are you so eager to kill me? are you trying to seem less scummy? =Otubby216 wrote:so can we just get some more suave votes pls thankx
simply put its this "you have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting" therefore you must go. enjoy the gallows
by the way it is impossible for me to look les scummy its how i roll"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
"Whether you love him or hate him, Tubby is an excellent scumhunter."~BM
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