Mini 875 - Utopia Mafia -- Mod Abandoned

[lewarcher82]

Long life to King Oman, long life to the Crown.

[lewarcher82]

Vote: Vaya

Since he's the one I've most recently played with.

Vote: malthusis

cuz actually we are in a game together right now and he doesn't remember LoL

[lewarcher82]

I

cc everything Haylen claimed and I also claim

paranoid insane dayvig with a red shirt who only shoots republicans

and

bulletproof with headaches who can only be killed by a doc if the doc doesn't give him aspirine

.

[lewarcher82]

...moreover, she forgot to unvote ...

[lewarcher82]

holy cow, I don't think so anyway I missed your request sorry for that!

[lewarcher82]

Re. Snow White : where are you?

Waiting for something worth commenting on to comment on.

Vote Maemuki

the fact you posted about lewarcher82 having posted two minutes before you, indicates you knew prior to your post about lewarcher82's post, that you knew about lewarcher82's post, right before you.

muahahaha.

and here you can see another way to kill the "bulletproof with headaches who can only be killed by a doc if the doc doesn't give him aspirine". You post sentences like this and my head will explode

[lewarcher82]

@Snow White: ok, English is not my first language, but I used to think I master it pretty well... still I am unable to understand the following sentence of yours.

Vote Maemuki

the fact you posted about lewarcher82 having posted two minutes before you, indicates you knew prior to your post about lewarcher82's post, that you knew about lewarcher82's post, right before you.

Please explain me.

@Budja: you are basically FoSing whoever joked, right?

@Tjoe: post 36 is softfishing, and

this

is scummy to me.

Unvote, vote Tjoe

[lewarcher82]

@Budja: I was waiting on something interesting to happen. As it happened (Tjoe) I gave up joking and pointed it out.

@Vaya: I tend to miss your point. What is scummy in Mae's comment?

[lewarcher82]

it is always a wise course of action for scum to try softfishing as long as everyone is still joking... wouldn't you agree, Tjoe?

Also: sarcasm, according to wikipedia is "a form of humor that uses sharp, cutting remarks or language intended to mock, wound, or subject to contempt or ridicule, generally saying the opposite of what the statement really is." I don't see anything witty in your question to the duck, I only see rolefishing.

[lewarcher82]

Yes, it may be true, Snow. I will add that my second soft-FoS is Budja. Acting way too pro-town, with all the posts about helping and not helping. As you point out, we are just on page 3...

[lewarcher82]

Dun need examples: luck is luck, doesn't depend on talent or skills. Do what you want with your instinct, but do not expect that I will think it is reliable. To me the answer "instinct" is = to no answer at all.

[lewarcher82]

Did I? Where?

Besides, sorry, I am going to be V/LA til sunday, hate to do it, but I cannot help it.

[lewarcher82]

I am back. Sorry for the long absence. Well, I finally see a votecount and I have to say that 4 votes on Tjoe's head just for the soft-fishing we all noticed is a bit too much. I prefere to

unvote

for now.

[lewarcher82]

I explained why. Are you unable to read? Too many people were voting Tjoe. My change was not sudden, I was on V/LA.

Screw it. People don't use brains here, only mechanical procedures.

Oh, welcome Tjoe, you are joining a bw now that it isn't on you?

[lewarcher82]

There was no votecount, I didn't realize he had 4 votes. I came back, saw it and decided to unvote.

There is no contraddiction in this.

[lewarcher82]

Then don't, it's your call. I had a lot to do and I didn't notice how many votes were there. Moreover, I was the first who noticed the soft-fishing, so it's not like I voted and suddenly unvoted.

[lewarcher82]

waiting lewarcher.

Dude, do not act as if you had found a brilliant piece of evidence, cuz u didn't. I just missed it. Sorry, I have also something else to do, so lately I am on mafiascum roughly 15 minutes a day, and I am in 3 games (my bad, I kno)... I do not know what else I can say or do. I posted that I was on V/LA, so u can deduce that perhaps I was busy. If you do not believe me, then go ahead, cuz I am a little sick of discussing the fact that I did not pay enough attention.

[lewarcher82]

@Juls: why do I get the less interesting question? RVS were long discussed, and I do not think that anything really scummy happened. Anyway, Tjoe's post 36 remains the only (possibly overrated) scumtell, and the votes on Tjoe cannot be considered random anymore... course if he is town there can be mafia on the wagon, although I do not think that mafia would be so stupid to look for a quick lynch on page 3 or 4 of day 1.

(the first genius who says "look, he tries to convince us that mafia didn't look for a quickliynch because he actually did" will win a teddybear and will be nominated fot the 'Nondescript Mammal Prize' 2010)

[lewarcher82]

I am posting as much as I can. I'd like to play, but if at least a couple of you guys think I should ask for replacement, I'll do.

@Budja: I was freaking back from a freaking V/LA, dude, I am a little sick of repeating the same thing over and over again.

[lewarcher82]

possibly, if you are not scum.

[lewarcher82]

I have a new question that I would like to ask everyone. Is there anyone willing to sacrifice themselves to give town an early edge in the game. Yes or no?

Me: Yes.

I will let you know the results of why I am asking after everyone has answered.

What does an "early edge" mean? I guess my ESL knowledge of slang is not sufficiently good.

Anyway, I will be honest. Unless my sacrifice generates for sure an advantage to town, and a big one, too, say it guarantees the identification of 1 scum or something like that, I normally do not want to be lynched.

In mini normal 850, for instance, on Day 2, I was willing to sacrifice myself cuz it looked like it was the only way to be clear and cuz I was (wrongly!!!) convinced that I would have demonstrated Snow Bunny was scum (she wasn't, town failed, we lost). But this is quite rare, it is not my style as long as I can help it.

So to give your question a direct answer: I should be really convinced it is necessary, either by own readings or by someone I trust.

[lewarcher82]

I have a new question that I would like to ask everyone. Is there anyone willing to sacrifice themselves to give town an early edge in the game. Yes or no?

Me: Yes.

I will let you know the results of why I am asking after everyone has answered.

I guess I would if it came to that, Juls.

@Lewarcher: Have you read the premise of this game? The fewer people a faction has, the stronger we get as a whole.

Oh, that's the "edge"

[lewarcher82]

@Snow:
1) (about Haylen): If you get info from what people say, it's nor instinct, but good ol' scumhunt. If you suggest your instinct will work on page 2, day 1, you are trying to use some kind of popularity in order to have town follow you. This is why I don't like instinct-based behaviour.

2)(about sacrificing): did it sound roundabout? Didn't mean to The answer is no (as Juls correctly registered in her post). The still mysterious advantages that a sacrifice would give to town don't match my criteria for a sacrifice, so I'd rather survive and keep playing.

[lewarcher82]

no, I am just explaining what is my feeling about instinct stuff
I was asked to, wasnt I?

[lewarcher82]

your call. In my opinion a scum would never answer no to your question

and perhaps a scum would actually

ask

your question.

[lewarcher82]

@ 145. Whoaa. Way for OMGUS'y, randomly thrown suspicions without any reasoning whatsoever.

@ Snow White, would you mind resuming your suspicions? Most of those posts are resuming the game. If I want to know what happened on the game I would read it.

Do you feel as though we have learned anything from the Tjoe wagon?

Not really, but I'll have to take a second look at it.

No. I have to insist on both my points.
1) A scum would not answer no to such a question.
2) The purpose of asking such a question can be to throw suspicion on honest townies who just admit they want to survive and, possibly, to survivors. Moreover, it can be an attempt to fish the PR's. This makes the whole question scummy to me.

See qhat I mean now?

[lewarcher82]

Maybe, but this doesnt make your first statement any stronger. Your question is not decisive about anything, except it puts power roles in a difficult situation. Therefore it is fishing.

Vote: Juls

I would like to hear what the others think (Oh, and I do not give a damn if I am counter-voting).

[lewarcher82]

No. You used the question to fish.

[lewarcher82]

@Snow: if you were scum, you say you would prolly answer yes. And you say the sacrifice thing is all subject to WIFOM. Then how is it a good question? How do you know "where" people stand?

To me, the most scummy of the four would be lewarcher or Haylen. Both avoided the question on their first post after it was asked. Scum would probably want to hear what others (maybe other buddies) were saying first before responding.

1st: I didn't avoid the question, and you know it, since you immediately register my first answer as "not willing to sacrifice". I simply tried to provide meta-information to explain my position.

Then you saw that someone felt confused by my answer and you decided it was useful to say that I avoided the question

. This is scummy. You are fishing AND scummy.

2nd: assume your question was really useful to scumhunt (

it isn't, it is fishing

): why didn't you comment on people who waited for the others to answer before taking a position?

[lewarcher82]

I called it fishy as soon as she explained that the no's were scum. This statement implies that power roles who may have answered no are forced to defend. This makes the question fishy.

I will be glad to give any further clarification, cuz Juls, darling, you are scum. And you will remain scum even if you get me lynched today town will finally realise it.

[lewarcher82]

Asking a person for their role is stupid. Putting them in a situation where they risk to be forced to share info about their role is fishing.

I do not think that power roles do not exist at the moment. They just will become more powerful:

Rules:

SPECIAL GAME NOTE:

During this game each faction will make its own progression through the hostilities: Unfriendly, Hostile, and At War. This occurs when that side loses a member, or possibly another condition for third party factions (if any). At each stage there will be an increase in the power of that side, through better power-roles or other.

Also, I insist that it is ridiculous to think that a scum would answer "Hell, yeah, I need to survive (muwahahahahah - satanic laughter)".

[lewarcher82]

@Budja: you are right. It just became more evident after her statement. I did not immediatly realise it, although I did not like questions in the first place (but I have no way to prove this).

@Tjoe: I think I was clear enough on the point. The question does not help scumhunting. The question is rolefishing. And Juls's attempt to say I was evasive (way after peacefully placing me among the no's) is a scummy attempt to use Snow's post to stop me from explaining my suspicions.

My V/LA starts in 2 hours and will last til tomorrow at this time, more or less

[lewarcher82]

Guys, I am not trying to OMGUS anyone. I think Juls is scum. If you do not see how her question screws pr's, I don't know what to say. It's your problem.

Sometimes I have the feeling that people on this site don't use wits, they just apply schematic models. So you guys fail to see the unusual but strong scummyness of Juls question, and you are only able to say mechanic stuff as "you voted soon, you voted late".

A news: I have something else to do in my life, and I open mafia once a day, for 20 minutes or stuff. So forget about tempo and use your brains. Mafia woulnd't answer no to Juls question.

[lewarcher82]

Oh, one more thing. I am not changing my vote cuz someone thinks that it is an OMGUS. I am freaking conviced that Juls is scum. or she is so naive to think that mafia would answer no to her question. In both cases town's better off without her.

That's it for today. Good luck thinking.

[lewarcher82]

Maemuki don't use tricks with me! You included a quote that is NOT mine, but Snow's, in your big post against me!

Post the names of the authors in your quotes!

And now I am really out to eat some japanese shit.

[lewarcher82]

@Tjoe: yeah, sorry about my attitude.

@Snow: I have no further reasons to think Juls is scum. Only what I have been saying about her question: does not give info about scums, and puts pr's in a difficult situation. Also, she understood I was saying: no, but later she tried to take advantage of your request for clarification and tell that I wasn't clear. Moreover, stimulating conversation is good, but you know, if now I try to fish roles, conversation will be very active in the next days. This doesn't mean that role fishing is good

@Mae: well, then please post the names of the people you quote, dude. The way you wrote, it looked like I was fosing people I never fosed.

[lewarcher82]

@Budja: for the third time, I switched from Tjoe's wagon after coming back from a V/LA. If you keep using this argument, you problly want me dead *really* bad: any new argumentations?

[lewarcher82]

quick post from job:

@Snow: yes, I realise I draw attention to myself, but I really feel the question is fishy, and Juls's statement that I was unclear after she already counted me as "no" seems incoherent. So I am convinced tha Juls is scum, and from my point of view she is not doing anything to contraddict my feeling.

@Snow(2): I didn't answer the question, you are right. I didn't think Tjoe was not scummy anymore, I just realised that there were more votes on him than it should.

@Mae: you can use whatever nickname you like for me, it's ok. I leave it to your fantasy

[lewarcher82]

another quick post from job.

1) (OT) I re-read my last posts. I have a really bad temper, I know. Sorry if I ever sounded offensive to anyone. It is my way, I would like to be nicer but I just do not realise it as I write.(OT)

2) About Mae: I thought about it and I do not think that misquoting (or rather quoting in a confused way) is scummy "per se". I just feel that the misquoting was the result of an excessive enthusiasm about the case on me. Therefore I am not calling Mae scummy, for the moment.

3) About Juls: I am sorry, but I keep feeling that the question

was

fishy. I realise that I should have pointed at it

before

answering, and I see why attacking her

after

looks bad. I do not know what to say, I guess I wasn't really bothered until I realised that she actually wanted to use the question to lynch someone. But of course, it was fishy anyway and from the beginning. My bad.

I cannot demonstrate that I am not malicious in my approach, but something that may be close enough is perhaps the following statement. I will not join any wagon based on the answers to Juls' question (unless there are further proofs, of course), even if this were the only way to save myself from a lynch. If you do not believe me, just test me.

ALSO: I see that there is something going on about Tar and Snow. I do not have time to read attentively now. I will do a re-read of all the matters that do not directly regard me, Juls and her question and I will post some substance later. I will also ask a question to Juls, as soon as I have it formulated.

Bis bald!

[lewarcher82]

Results of my re-read of pages 6 to 9 + question to Juls.

Part 1: on Snow.

I see what Tar means, but I always get very frustrated when people attacks me for changing my mind, so I am not calling Snow's attitude "scummy", at least not for the moment. Tar, on the other hand, has played a very quiet game so far, I have no feelings at all about his alignment.

Part 2: on Juls.

I already exhaustively posted my suspicions about her. I am convinced that she is scum. I am convinced that her question is fishy.

Part 3: on Budja.

I do not see what you are doing. You were favoured by the fact that almost no1 FoSed you since the start, and you kept pretty quiet, you just posted comments here and there, normally supporting all the cases that were created. Generally pro-town, but I am not sure. Something I cannot define bothers me.

Part 4: on Tjoe.

An early BW can be a blessing if you are scum. I honestly lost track of the case on you (it was thin, I kno, but whatever). There was no further development, and this may also depend on the fact that, ever since Juls's question, we stopped discussing about you. This may be casual, but may also be a good strategy.

Part 5: on Haylen.

I am not sure. As I said about Snow, I tend to respect the evolution of thoughts.

Part 6: on Mae.

There is some stuff to discuss. As I read the post where the quotes were posted without the names, I thought "well, my name is the only name that appears in the whole post, so the quotes are prolly mine". Then I read through it and "OMG, I never said THIS!". Therefore I preceived the post as a misquoting, although, as I already said, it is not properly "misquoting", but rather a confused quoting.
I hope that I was not the only one who was confused by that post. Also, I keep failing to see how misquoting would be useful to scum. I prefere to think that, for one reaon I do not know, yet, Mae was very fond of the idea of getting me lynched.

Part 7: on Menthos

Well, u are pretty cautious, and little more. You agree with me that the question was potentially fishy, but you also think that Juls didn't mean it? Cannot but wait for more substance.

Part 8: on Vaya

I do not agree. I am not going to vote anyone based on the answers to Juls' question. Why would you want to lynch a "yes", by the way?

Question to Juls

: According to your post #161, your answer to my arguments is that you reckon that at the moment there are no power roles at all, and all of us are potential power roles?

[lewarcher82]

u should, Budja. u act like a clear, and u aren't. u better have a good explanation for this once Juls is lynched and scum or I am lynched and inno.

please do not forget my last post people. I would like some comments, and I do want Juls to answer my question.

[lewarcher82]

I do not like the fact that you are leaving now Juls. Not even a little bit.

[lewarcher82]

I prefere to think that, for one reaon I do not know, yet, Mae was very fond of the idea of getting me lynched.

Mmm, really? Why?

Does this game have a back-up mod? I mean, we should already be on D2...

cuz I see no way that posting confused quotes could help scum. So this is my answer to someone (dun remember who, just re-read) who defined this an "interesting case" on you.

A lot of roles, and not only scum, would be happy to survive day 1 lynching another player, no matter how thin is th case: pr's, for instance. But also neutrals and in this particular setup even nilla townies.

@Budja: I am not saying much, it is a matter of style. You have more or less supported all cases. This is what I call the "judge-style": a player does not defend anyone, he simply mildly supports all upcoming cases and he will be able to act as if he was confirmed town, gradually winning town's trust. In some cases this is a scumtell, in my experience. If I were a different player, and lewarcher82 gets lynched today and turns out to be innocent, I would want you investigated tonite or lynched tomorrow.

I am writing to the mod of the Queue forum to get a backup mod.

[lewarcher82]

hey, I foSed Budja and Tjoe, but J.Fox had fooled me so far... anyway, whatever... I was a neutral survivor