foilist13 wrote:Unvote Vote:Nachomamma8
Yes, I just dared you to lynch me. How does everyone feel about this?
Sounds fine to me.
Now here are all the reasons why what you just did was completely anti-town.
1. Despite the fact that the town outnumber the scum, we cannot afford throwing away one of our players the first day because he decided to be a martyr. If we lynch you and you flip town, thats two town dead and NO information to go on. You realize how easy it would be, and probably will be for scum to just bandwagon you right now and jump into the second day without any serious evidence against them? As scum, assuming you thought this out, you could just pull a stunt like that, we wouldn't lynch you because it was stupid, and then you could point to it later when you get into trouble.
But obviously you don't care whether I flip town or scum, you just want me dead. And if it was going to be SO easy for scum to bandwagon me right now, then why did you bandwagon me in this post? You just said how easy it would be for scum to bandwagon me, and then did so yourself. Wouldn't the townie thing to do be to investigate a few other people, and see what pro-town things THEY'VE done? Obviously there is a mafioso on my bandwagon, that's just a bandwagon too easy to pass up, right? So when I flip town, try investigating a few people who pile on my bandwagon, especially after this post, where you gave everyone the urgence to.
2. Good logic vs. Bad logic, what a treat.
Good logic:
"The RVS is good." ~ The RVS is the birth of the game of mafia in itself. It is extremely important to the game itself, especially when it starts to become later in the game. Day 1 is the scum's easiest time at getting a mislynch, and it is also the time when newbie scum are first trying out their wings; thus, it is often an extremely effective tool in catching scum. And despite popular belief, I don't view the RVS as having ended when the first accusation is made; it's still everyone groping around in the dark. The RVS has ended when the first valid accusation is made, and people become confident that they have singled out a scum member.
I will concede that, oh, lets say 1 in 60 successful lynches result from the RVS. In the RVS people can throw out whatever bullshit they want. "Vote: So and So for wrongful use of satire." So could you tell me what this tells you? Really you must be brilliant.
"Game-relevant questions are good for scum." ~ Even if you aren't the one who initiated the change in procedure, the scum end up benefitting more from the information than the town does. If you can come up with some game-relevant questions to dispute that fact, then be my guest.
Now what the fuck have you been smoking? How in the bloody world do you expect to catch scum without relevant information? Looking at the RVS? You have fun with that.
Don't ask the same question twice.
Or maybe you meant that the town benefit, but the scum benefit
more.
Brilliant deduction. Now tell me, as scum, what do you get from game relevant questions? Opportunity for bandwagoning or lurking? The scum don't need to guide the town, they only need to evade the town. So long as you don't get lynched, you don't care. Content helps to lead the town to scum, and makes it more difficult for the scum to hide. The scum get chances to jump on bandwagons for foolish town players who made mistakes too grievous to defend themselves from and aren't really benefitting the town anyway. Now tell me again, how does this benefit the scum exactly?
Umm... but good scum will guide the town. With game relevant questions in the RVS, scum can rolefish like pros without any heat back on them, they can frame newbies, and they can learn who's comfortable and who's not. Do you need an example of this, too?
Bad logic:
"Townie players should appear scummy." ~ Obviously false. Townies should act as pro-town as possible to give MORE information on their deaths. After all, it's much easier to pinpoint a scum who makes a case against a pro-town player than vice-versa. When you act pro-town, you take away the scum's choices for who to try to get a mislynch on.
So... this is a bad thing? I fail to see your reasoning here. If all the town players play pro town, the scum have no choice but to play as town as possible. Only they or unintelligent or careless town will make a mistake which will eventually lead to a lynch. The most pro-town players will probably be night killed, but if they aren't, and everyone seems pro-town, then it is a fair bet that they are scum. There are all sorts of ways to play a game like this that are much easier than trying to sift through all the other town player's "Good Logic."
Congratulations, you added more to my point. Honestly, what was the purpose of this? To incriminate me more, 'cuz I don't see how that helped.
However, acting excessively scummy is NOT a bad town strategy, but expect to be lynched if you do try it. If you haven't read any Mastin games, I'd highly suggest doing so. He usually is a HORRIBLE scum, but quite a good townie. Everyone gloms onto him, and scum see the opportunity for the mislynch to happen. Townies normally reanalyze people's interactions with him, and their questions put scum in quite the tight position, who normally don't think of valid reasons to get someone lynched.
So we should all be martyrs and when we've all died we'll see for sure who is scum? Or what, we should all be scummy so that we don't get night killed? So there is no way that town players acting scummy would lead to scum players who slip to get by? But no, if
they
slipped we would all know, right?
Did you miss my whole point?
Sposh: I've run out of time for the moment, but if you'd still like me to comment on you I will as soon as I can.
