Mini 858 - Dexter Season One (Game Over)

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

And lets see if Triple D has anything to say either way. Considering he is an essential part of this whole equation.

How am I essential other than your and my behavior was similar enough for charter to lump us together? You were the one who decided to raise the issue and voted for Budja. I'm not fond of Budja, but mostly for reasons unrelated to this latest argument of yours.

[Sotty7]

Sotty: I assume you're referring to Konowa's line of attack against you taking place in the context of charter already having name claimed?

Yup.

SocioPath: have you never asked someone questions about their reasoning in a situation where you think you know what that reasoning is?

SocioPath's vote on Budja is pretty strange to me. I often ask people to explain why they are voting for someone even if I might know the answer. To hear them explain in their own words can be helpful in deciding if the suspicion is genuine or not.

Except the difference here is, it wasn't a vote, and more importantly, it wasn't a single person he was asking about.

He didn't ask about the first 2 people on the list, he asked about the last 2, 2 people that weren't even separated by a comma, just a forward slash. Implying they were related already. Its pretty easy to pinpoint accusations when you have 2 people to draw similarities from.

To play it off as just a 'explanation as to why' is silly. It was obvious as to why, to claim otherwise is just feigning ignorance. The types of people that try to feign the most ignorance are those that are actually more informed, i.e. scum.

So lets see where this vote takes us.

And lets see if Triple D has anything to say either way. Considering he is an essential part of this whole equation.

I see your point about scum having to feign ignorance, but I do feel you are over reacting a bit here. Basically because I can see myself asking a question like Budja did.

[charter]

We should be lynching chamber.

[SocioPath]

And lets see if Triple D has anything to say either way. Considering he is an essential part of this whole equation.

How am I essential other than your and my behavior was similar enough for charter to lump us together? You were the one who decided to raise the issue and voted for Budja. I'm not fond of Budja, but mostly for reasons unrelated to this latest argument of yours.

Well if it helps to get you to say something either way, than thats what matters.

[Juls]

Prodding don_johnson, everyone else has posted in the past 72 hours. Vote count later tonight.

[Budja]

... but mostly for reasons unrelated to this latest argument of yours.

Elaborate.

@Socio, why would I bother "feigning ignorance" anyway? I prefer fact over my personal assumption.

@Konowa, if Sotty still suss? If not who is?

[Cyberbob]

Okey dokey.

- chamber should be lynched
- SocioPath's vote on Budja is good-ish; Budja was certainly being dumb but I can't say whether I'd go so far as to call it a scumtell or not
- Sotty's vote on Konowa strikes me as a touch OMGUSy (more to do with the way he phrased it than anything Konowa did)
- Locke's post 192 is good
- chamber should be lynched

[don_johnson]

prodded. still here.

[SocioPath]

@Socio, why would I bother "feigning ignorance" anyway?

To look more uninformed than you may be.

I prefer fact over my personal assumption.

That is a ridiculous statement.

First, the conclusions were easily drawn, it needed no assumptions for what was blatantly obvious.

Second, every time you vote a player, it is based off of personal assumptions.
There are very few facts in the general game of mafia that we play, especially on a D1 day start.
Its absurd to think that you actually play this game basing everything around facts.
Which you didn't say, per se. You just

prefer

facts. Which is a way to weasel out of definites, which are what facts are.

Everyone

prefers facts.

[charter]

don, any thoughts on what has happened?

[don_johnson]

not really. but i'll try harder. i've played scum with budja before. don't have a good read on him here and instinct always says to lynch millers but he handled the claim right. i don't like chamber's persistence, but with the flavor in this game i am unsure of how to read him at this point. you're kind of scummy, though. but that might just be residual feelings from the newb forum. i just finished rabbit doubt mafia and scum had a pr, so i don't see any reason to clear based on that. i'd like to here more from konowa as i have no problem supporting their lynch at this point. honestly, though, i need to reread a bit to clarify my thoughts. thanks for asking, though. it seems like people are either forgetting i exist or trying to lynch me all the time. its almost odd to be asked my opinion. *sigh*

[Juls]

He leaves me these doll parts...like pieces of a puzzle. I like puzzles
But, there's nothing more frustrating than putting a puzzle together and
still finding it doesn't make sense.



Debra: So...Miami's the haystack...the ice truck is the needle....big brother, I just found the needle.



Laguerta: Why go to all this trouble? What is this sicko trying to tell us?


Not us...me.
My freezer, the painted doll's finger nails...
I think he's trying to impress me...
and it's working.

Vote Count

AlmasterGM

( )

don_johnson

( )

Budja

(SocioPath)

chamber

(Cyberbob, charter, AlmasterGM)

charter

()

Cyberbob

( )

Debonair Danny DiPietro

( )

Jebus

(Debonair Danny DiPietro)

Konowa

(don_johnson, Sotty7)

Locke Lamora

( )

SocioPath

( )

Sotty7

( )

Not Voting :

Jebus, Konowa, Locke Lamora, chamber, Budja

Deadline :

November 4

Notes:

None.

[charter]

don johnson moves into spot number three for me. Not scumhunting one bit.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

... but mostly for reasons unrelated to this latest argument of yours.

Elaborate.

Trend analysis and a general dislike of your phrasings mostly. For example your rhetorical question about people ignoring your name claim didn't sit particularly well with me.

[SocioPath]

don johnson moves into spot number three for me. Not scumhunting one bit.

What? No love?

[chamber]

... but mostly for reasons unrelated to this latest argument of yours.

Elaborate.

Trend analysis

and a general dislike of your phrasings mostly. For example your rhetorical question about people ignoring your name claim didn't sit particularly well with me.

What trends?

[Locke Lamora]

Vote: Jebus

for still contributing nothing. Maybe a little pressure will encourage a meaningful post.

Konowa: you still haven't explained how directly asking about abilities is less scummy than asking for a nameclaim.

Chamber: do you have an actual read on Almaster? 'Confused' doesn't constitute one. What confused you in his meta?

Still waiting for Almaster to respond.

[chamber]

Vote: Jebus

for still contributing nothing. Maybe a little pressure will encourage a meaningful post.

Konowa: you still haven't explained how directly asking about abilities is less scummy than asking for a nameclaim.

Chamber: do you have an actual read on Almaster? 'Confused' doesn't constitute one. What confused you in his meta?

Still waiting for Almaster to respond.

1 His play in this game doesn't resemble his previous play as either alignment to me.
2 I'd expect his play to come from a player with about as much experience as his wiki suggests, not someone with 4+ years of it.

All in all I'm just confused. If I had to say one way or another I'd say scum, but im not confident.

Jebus promised to post this weekend and claimed to be absent till then. I suggest waiting till at least saturday rolls around before voting him.

[don_johnson]

don johnson moves into spot number three for me. Not scumhunting one bit.

that's dissappointing. feels a bit omgus. but what do i know.

[Budja]

What? No love?

Any point to this post? What did you feel from don's post?

@don, you seem oddly disinterested in this game. You are usually more aggressive. What gives?

---

@Socio, I try to explain better

Charters reasoning for his vote

could

be different from my speculation. By getting his answer, I know with a greater certainty what his motivation is.

An example: chambers first vote on charter

appeared

to me to be based on his attack on me. However when questioned, he said it was basically a random vote.

---

@DDD, thats probably just my playstyle, but I don't really know my own meta.

[charter]

Yeah, I really don't get what the problem with Budja is.

[don_johnson]

@don, you seem oddly disinterested in this game. You are usually more aggressive. What gives?

i'm interested. just depressed.

[Sotty7]

... but mostly for reasons unrelated to this latest argument of yours.

Elaborate.

Trend analysis and a general dislike of your phrasings mostly.

For example your rhetorical question about people ignoring your name claim didn't sit particularly well with me.

How come?

[charter]

"Lynch chamber" you say?
"Great idea!" I say.

[SocioPath]

don johnson moves into spot number three for me. Not scumhunting one bit.

that's dissappointing. feels a bit omgus. but what do i know.

Feels a bit OMGUS? Really now? I think someone needs to hit up the wiki again.


But yeah, not only is don not scumhunting, he hasn't lifted a finger all game.

Unvote
Vote: don_johnson

What? No love?

Any point to this post?

Yes, I was curious as to why I was no longer in the Top 3. I generally function better when people are attacking me. I tend to get better reads on people, as to whether it is an attack from scum or town.

@Socio, I try to explain better

Charters reasoning for his vote

could

be different from my speculation. By getting his answer, I know with a greater certainty what his motivation is.

An example: chambers first vote on charter

appeared

to me to be based on his attack on me. However when questioned, he said it was basically a random vote.

Those AREN'T examples. Pulling out randomass information an example does not make.

You

listed an example where intent wasn't clear.

What

I

was getting at was the answer and intent was

very

clear.

I can't see how you continue to act as if the question you were originally asking wasn't obvious.

How about this:
You tell me how that list could have been perceived in any other way when it comes to me and Triple D. What ELSE could it have meant? Please enlighten me.

DDD: if Chamber's using the same phrasing and argumentation that you have personally, does that make you think that he's more likely to be pro-town? Do you agree with the substance of his arguments?

It's been a pretty punchless version of it and lately he's just descended into WIFOM overload. I also went and did a reread based on my normal trend analysis and Chamber comes up as most likely scum based on that as well.

... but mostly for reasons unrelated to this latest argument of yours.

Elaborate.

Trend analysis and a general dislike of your phrasings mostly. For example your rhetorical question about people ignoring your name claim didn't sit particularly well with me.

Trend analysis, trend analysis. Good cop out to not actually present reasons, but just throw that up there to hide behind.