Sposh (1) <-~ Tehstefan
Tehstefan (1) <-~ sxizzor
MichelSableheart (1) <-~ Nachomamma8
TheBeanBurrito (1) <-~ Jase
Not voting (4) <-~ TheBeanBurrito, StarOfTheShow, broncofaninmd, MichelSableheart
Deadline wrote:
Deadline wrote:
Haha, quite the coincidence. TheBeanBurrito, Bunny Mafia Family Member.Jase wrote:Your name. Obviously you are a member of the dreaded bunny family.TheBeanBurrito wrote:Which alliteration? My name, or sig.
Oddly enough, the one time I played prior to this, I was voted as scum for voting randomly the first day. Not that I don't, I am voted for again. What luck! Hahaha.
Although you make a point, why didn't you do what you believe in? I see no scumhunting. This post only offers your personal opinion and practical advice. I find your introduction a little fishy.MichelSableheart wrote:Hello everyone, hope we have a fun game.
I'm your IC for this game, which means I'm here to play along while helping you with questions about game theory, mafia in general, and mafiascum traditions.
One of those traditions is the random voting stage. It is generally accepted that in the beginning of a game, when there isn't much to work with, players vote each other randomly and joke around a bit, in the hope to get reactions, use those to get a read on players, and use the information gained in that way to really start the game.
Personally, I don't agree with that. It is my belief that, if you want to get the game started, the best way to do that is to take actions that actually help the game move forward. That may mean pushing small scumtells you have found. That may mean asking people game relevant questions in order to get people discussing something useful. It definately means that you should actively be looking for scum, rather then fooling around.
Nachomamma, your answer of 'I don't need good reasons, this is the random voting stage' only stifles discussion. It completely takes the sting out of your vote, places no pressure whatsoever, and encourages people to fool around.
Sposh, how does your post 13 contribute to finding the scum?
Could the lack of information be from the lack of posts? You want information posted, but you have not posted any, does this mean you have none?Tehstefan wrote:Not posting much in the random voting phase is not a big deal, considering we have a lack of information. Still, does anyone perhaps have any reads on anyone? Any inkling at all is something that should be said, information is good for the town after all.
That isn't true. Bronco made a case against Sable, you could add to it or give your opinion on it. He hasn't made any attempt to move the game forward after his first post.TheBeanBurrito wrote:Nope, it means the rest of us have none.broncofaninmd wrote:
Could the lack of information be from the lack of posts? You want information posted, but you have not posted any, does this mean you have none?
Who are you referring to here?TheBeanBurrito wrote:I should have added 'about you, other than you don't post' to the end of that.
Obviously we have whatever info everyone else posts, just not what he does not post. he also has all info we post. That is what I was saying.
Towntells and scumtells can be found when players react to others, not when everyone is acting virtually random. Therefore, the actions that you should take are actions that are likely to draw reactions. Fooling around only draws reactions from players who are actually interested in getting the game on the road. By accusing someone of being scum for being eager to start (interesting role, therefore likely scum), for being the last to confirm (wanted more time to speak to scumbuddies) etcetera, you are actually going to get a response from the player you are accusing.Nachomamma wrote:But what actions do you take? In fooling around and drawing reactions from people such as you, you can get a general idea of who wishes to get the lynch first. For example, townies can spam for pages and pages without regret, but usually, the scum is the first to step in and accuse, just for the sake of getting the game started. And if no one is fooling around, what scumtells do you have to draw from? Absolutely nothing.
I can't follow your reasoning here. Scum have information that they want to hide. They know of two roles which they want to keep secret at all costs. If hidden roles are more likely to be revealed by questions being asked, it seems to me that town is the faction that benefits most.Nachomamma wrote:Secondly, I feel asking game relevant questions is much more beneficial to scum. By asking innocent-seeming questions that will ultimately result in an advantage to scum, scum can rolefish with minimalistic risk. The newer players who are unsure what questions to ask, however, are crucified because of what questions they end up asking in the end, and any old scum can cause a mislynch immediately. It's much harder for scum to decide what to do/how to act in the RVS than in a questions game, and I prefer to give Mafiosos the minimal of breathing room.
Because the random voting stage is mostly random, it results in very little information becoming available to the town. However, if you ask game relevant questions (for example about lurking, quickhammering or the like), you can compare the answers they give in the beginning of the game to actions they take later. Town needs info in order to lynch correctly, whereas scum already knows who is and isn't on their faction. Info becoming available is therefore far more benificial for town. Besides, by asking game relevant questions, players won't be able to cop out with the completely useless "it's only the random voting stage, it doesn't matter what I do".Nachomamma wrote:Please explain why game relevant questions benefit the town more than the RVS does.
Your answer to my question is a complete cop out. This question shows that you are aware of that. Basically, you are intentionally acting anti-town.Sposh wrote:How about my answer to that question, hmm? How is THAT going to start discussion any more than random joke posts?
Please take a good look at the last two paragraphs of the post you quoted. I stated that pushing small scumtells and asking game related questions are the best way to move the game forward at this point. I believe that the last two paragraphs are perfect examples of what I'm talking about.broncofaninmd wrote:Although you make a point, why didn't you do what you believe in? I see no scumhunting. This post only offers your personal opinion and practical advice. I find your introduction a little fishy.
That is a bit of a misleading accusation, Jase. I didn't find the time to post at all yesterday. The way you word that accusation however, implies that I have been posting without actually contributing.Jase wrote:That isn't true. Bronco made a case against Sable, you could add to it or give your opinion on it. He hasn't made any attempt to move the game forward after his first post.
Hello. Welcome to Mafia. Now that your finally here, care to explain why your so late?StarOfTheShow wrote:Hello.
Confirm.
Noo I'm so late.
Now I'm embaressed. Now I'm more embaressed for saying that :S
Lol.
How do you write in bold ???
I can't vote.
(Btw This is my first time on a mafia game )
Sorry for being so late!!
Anything at all no matter how minute it is, can be used as a "case". It is good to put pressure on people to get there reactions, stances, who comes to there defense, whats said or not said. That is why not posting is not good for the town. Even if your not the one being pressured, you should chime your opinion or feeling about it. It will help in later days.Tehstefan wrote:Sure it is possible to make a case this early in the game, its what the town has to do. You make a case, then the other person either refutes it, or falls victim. Its all you really can do in this phase of the game.