[quote="Kise"]Hmm.. Looks like another one of your endgame-breadcrumbs.[/quote] You must be unfamiliar with an ongoing joke (which involves a reference to a finished Lovers Open setup where Kmd and I were, in fact, Mafia Lovers).
Basically I have come to the conclusion that Kmd's behavior regarding the DeathNote "slip", especially the way he quickly jumps on when he sees it despite the fact that both vollkan and SpyreX mentioned that it was not a slip in context. DN's behavior otherwise is another matter, but all Kmd does is say
[quote="Kmd4390"]What?!? DeathNote slip!
Unvote, Vote DeathNote
[/quote]
Not noting vollkan SpyreX &c. I would be less irritated by this had he said something like "DeathNote's post looks like a slip. I saw that they both came to the conclusion that it was not a slip in context but looked back and thought that the correct interpretation is that it was really a slip". When two fairly intelligent players come to that conclusion it would at least behoove you to look back, see if you can see what prompted them to say that, and if necessary ask for elaboration. Kmd at first ignores it completely, as above. SpyreX made it clear in his unvote post that his reread at the prompting of vollkan came to the conclusion that the slip was not actually a slip and that that fact made him worry about the speed of the wagon:
[quote="SpyreX"]HAHAHA
Lets play a round of:
I'm illiterate, whats your excuses?
Unvote
Ok, that looked bad, but contextually good lord it makes sense and I'm calling semi-shenanigans.
[quote="Kise"]You don't want to welcome an investigation? [/quote]
[quote="DeathNote"]That depends.... is council town? [/quote]
So, good lord, it makes sense.[/quote]
Kmd doesn't even seem to have read that when he asks:
[quote="Kmd4390"]Spy, why so sure you were wrong about DeathNote?[/quote]
The response:
[quote="SpyreX"]I'm not -sure- I'm wrong.
However,
I am positive that the reasons for the lynch were not what I thought
and thus the speed and style of the bandwagon bother me a LOT.[/quote]
Bolding is mine, but you get the picture. It's clear that Spy moved his vote because he thought that the reason for the wagon, the slip, was not in fact a real slip and
following that
, given that fact the speedy wagon on DN because of the slip-that-was-not-a-slip was possibly fishy.
When called out on basically all of the above by vollkan (and voted by vollkan), Kmd responds:
[quote="Kmd4390"]Volkan, I just don't understand why Spy backed off so quickly. You gave an excuse for DeathNote and Spy just bought it without seeming to really think about much aside from the speed of the wagon. Not all speedwagons are on town, which Spy just saw in a game where we were scumbuddies.[/quote]
When it was abundantly clear had he chosen to pay even a MODICUM of attention to the case on DN and wagon HE WAS VOTING at the time with what presumably should have been EXTREMELY STRONG CONVICTIONS that SpyreX thought about THE ACTUAL CASE a heck of a lot more than about the speed of the wagon when he removed his vote from DN.
When SpyreX explains that DN's "slip" was not an actual slip in context (for a second time) what does Kmd do? Does he look back and either agree or disagree, explain why, and change or keep his vote in accordance to that? No. He ignores it (except to ask vollkan to explain why he's wrong about DN, when SpyreX has already done so at least twice). Then he posts this:
[quote="Kmd4390"]I wouldn't complain about any of:
Vaya
DeathNote
Cass
Snow_Bunny
Benmage
SocioPath
Sajin
alvins95
Kise
Rosso Carne
KaleiÐoscøpe
In no particular order. All are either
a)scummy
b)lurkers
c)claimed miller and everyone freaked out about "OMG DO WE POLICY LYNCH?!?"[/quote]
If he truly believed it was such a clear slip that all needed for explanation for his vote was basically "Oh look a scumslip By DN! Vote time" he should at the very least have DN right at the top of his list of players he'd like to see dead instead of sticking him in a list of more than a third of the players in the game with the added disclaimer that he'd be fine with the lynch of any and has no particular ranking of which he'd like dead more (which in and of itself is shady - 11/27 players and he's just about equally happy with the lynch of all of them?Ugh).
Not to mention the fact that SB is on that list because she "claimed miller and everyone freaked out about 'OMG DO WE POLICY LYNCH?!?'" when a post or two of his earlier he wrote:
[quote="Kmd4390"][quote="LlamaFluff"]
So then if a claimed miller looks scummy you lynch them, if not you treat them as town... I believe some really wierd things in this game (for instance I know a few people have seen me pull wagons off people who claimed VT), but this is not that far out there.[/quote]
^This. I tend to usually agree with Llama on theory, and this is one of those times. If Snow is scummy, we'll lynch her. If she's not, we won't. It's really that simple.[/quote]
He doesn't seem to think that SB has done much scummy, but the theory he presses here does not match up - AT ALL - with his willingness to see SB lynched simply for her Miller claim and the fact that some people flipped out because of it.
His Benmage vote after the Jordan, DN deaths and vague insinuation that he suspects Llama and SpyreX are respectively underwhelming and scummy (the last bit is slightly objective - he doesn't even give us an inkling of what makes him think that and a bit subjective - I don't recall either of them acting particularly scummy).
Posts 8 - 10 of vollkan-in-isolation reinforce the point further, with Kmd offering useless bits of stuff like "Volkan, it didn't hurt anything that I was wrong. We didn't lynch him" and "It's not important anymore though" in what looks like a very scummy attempt to blow off vollkan's legitimate points as irrelevant.
I still suspect Tubby and I hope to have the time to take another longer look at him tomorrow night. But Kmd? My vote has been earned, luv.
Unvote; Vote: Kmd
I always define Sajin [when town] as someone who doesn't jump to bold conclusions. He's proven himself to be a risk-taker, via our last game together, but making relentless convictions? Not in my eyes. Maybe he was being lazy cop last game..
I was going for the "question KMD slowly until he shows the absurdity of his own position" approach, but Plum's basically blown him out of the water just now.