Newbie 848 - The Bunny Mafia Family - over finally!

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Whoo hoo, finally confirmed!! Hey guys!

Vote: Nachomama

for using a horrrrible pun in his username =P

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No, THIS is a great pun:

A thief attempted to steal paintings from the Louvre in Paris, but was caught 2 blocks away when his van ran out of gas. All the thief could say for himself was: “I had no MONET to buy DEGAS to make the VAN GOGH. But I tried for it anyway because I had nothing TOULOUSE!”

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It doesn't. It's a part of the random voting stage!

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How about my answer to that question, hmm? How is THAT going to start discussion any more than random joke posts?

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Hey, watch this:

Unvote, Vote: tehstefan

Oh my God! You suck!

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Michael, I answered the question as honestly as I could! We were in the joke voting part of the game, so I posted a joke vote, and yet you want to take that one post and over-analyze and try to spin it into me being "anti-town"! Not cool.

Also, I saw that someone said Bronco "made a case" against Sable... is it even really possible to have a case this early in the game with only two pages of information??

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Also

Unvote

Now that things are getting more serious.

What was the point of this!?

So far, I haven't seen many signifigant tells, but I'm leaning slightly towards town for both Nachomamma, and Sable. Scum wouldn't want to get in an argument so soon, it draws too much attention, at least in my view. Feel free to enlighten me to anything I may miss.

I disagree! Scum might think it's a great play to distance themselves this early!

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'K guys, sorry for the inactivity. I have band to blame for that.

Unvote

I voted for ya to get you in the game. Ain't no other reason.

Why would you unvote? Did you not want to stir up anymore discussion? Unvoting for the sake of unvoting isn't very helpful at all!

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Michel, do you think you'd support my lynch today, or are you just voting me to get a reaction?

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Unvote, Vote: Bronco

I think that his questioning of Jase is just trying to

look

town, but isn't actually accomplishing anything! Particularly, post 100. I'd like to know what Bronco is trying to accomplish here.

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I don't need to add any new information when (A) there is none to add and (B) I agree with everything already said!

I think it's kind of hypocritical for Teh to vote me for repeating old reasoning... when Nacho had just said the EXACT SAME THING! He's voting me for regurgitating reasoning, which is what he just did!!!!!!!!!!

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Uhh... even more blatant hypocrisy.

It's obvious what Bronco is trying to accomplish. He's trying to scumhunt; someone brought up the subject of Jase's scumminess, so he added his input to the argument.

You basically agreed with the poster before you and voted who he did.

Mind explaining that? Also, why is Jase or me not scummier to you than bronco?

Is that not what you just did? You agreed with the poster before you and voted the same person... adding on more reasons to it doesn't matter, because when I tried to explain my own personal reasoning, you said I wasn't actually scumhunting, I was just regurgitating information! Does it matter if it's been said before if I agree with it and find it accurate?

In my opinion, you're looking for ME to be the easy target and jumping on MY bandwagon (I had the most votes at the time of your post... would that not make me the EASIEST target?).

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I look forward to your analysis, Michel.

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What about Messiah, foil?

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ARGH! Ignore the above, I'm in two games at once and it's kinda confusing me =\

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No, but I'd really like to know!

Bronco, what was Jase lying about?

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I agree with most of your bronco points, but I'm not following your last point. Sure, it's a Captain Obvious comment, but I don't know why that's scummy. Doesn't really seem like a scum-defense to me, not an effective one, anyway.

I think he's arguing that subconsciously, someone who isn't used to being scum would feel it necessary to point that out as a sort of defense mechanism. Or, I could just be completely wrong!

I still think Sposh is scummy.

The first thing that stands out to me is his attempt to extend the RVS as much as possible, as in his post 45, where he states "is it really possible to have a case this early in the game with two pages of information?". This sounds to me like he's suggesting that scumhunting is impossible that early in the game. And I'd like to clarify: while I find shortening the RVS scummy, attempting to extend it is just as scummy. In a nutshell, I just disapprove of people trying to manipulate it...

You are taking my quote out of context! That's mean.
The

full

quote is:
"Also, I saw that someone said Bronco "made a case" against Sable... is it even really possible to have a case this early in the game with only two pages of information??"
Which means I was just asking if anything said at that point could qualify as an actual, strong case on someone because we had very little information. I do not understand how you turned that quote into me suggesting that scumhunting is impossible.

Second thing is his piggybacking, as demonstrated on page 5. Tehstefan votes bronco, and, one non-mod post later, Sposh votes for bronco, simply what Teh just said. He then says he doesn't need to add anything new because "there's nothing left to add". This is definitely anti-town in my book, for it discourages more scumhunting on bronco, and sets up for others to vote bronco while following the "there's nothing more to add" reasoning.

Me saying that there is nothing left to add doesn't mean that there won't ever be anything else to add to a case on him, I simply meant that at that moment I saw nothing more worth adding, so I just repeated the parts that I agreed with and placed my vote. Also, to say I added NOTHING new is a bit harsh... I actually pointed to a specific post with a question. It's not like I just slapped on a vote for bronco and that was it. I was adding to the pressure on him!

I wouldn't have a problem with the second quote of foil's analysis of him, had he tried to explain said "personal reasoning". I told him that he was regurgitated information; he said he didn't, although he himself inferred that he didn't add anything new by saying "adding on new reasons doesn't matter".

Once again, I can't believe how out of context you're taking what I said!
The WHOLE thing said:
"You agreed with the poster before you and voted the same person...

adding on more reasons to it doesn't matter

, because when I tried to explain my own personal reasoning, you said I wasn't actually scumhunting, I was just regurgitating information! Does it matter if it's been said before if I agree with it and find it accurate?"
I was stating that there was no point in explaining my "personal reasoning" because even when I put my suspicions into my own words and pointed out a post which I thought raised questions, you said I was just regurgitating information! So it would not matter if I had added on more reasons, because you still would have called it regurgitating information instead of scumhunting!

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But... based on what I saw, there was nothing more

to

add on, so attacking me because I didn't counter your case with points that weren't there is a completely ridiculous maneuver!

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Jase, I wasn't lying or misconstruing anything. That post just seemed rather useless to me, in particular, and I wanted to see what he had to say about. And if you're going to say that the post I pointed out was just another example of what was already being talked about, then how can you ignore Teh blatantly reusing Nacho's reasoning against me... especially when it was just a blanket statement!

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I put exclamation points after everything? Haha, I hadn't noticed. I'll take more careful note of that, though I usually just type how I'm thinking.

I didn't ask Bronco a question because I thought he would just respond to my linking of post 100. I guess I should have asked.

And I'm not saying that it's a defense to say he's doing the same thing I am: I'm saying it's hypocritical. Which, it is.

What question haven't I answered?

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Oh! Okay... Um, I don't really understand the point of the question, but I'll answer it the best I can!

I think bronco is scummy, and Jase was the one he was pseudo-questioning. While that does not make Jase town, it alleviates my day one concerns.

As for you, your vote on me was understandable... but then Teh voted me and threw out "piggyback" reasoning (I like that word!). He also said I voted randomly and without reason.

Bottom line, it seems like you and Jase are actually trying to scumhunt, while bronco was more poking around with a stick but not really hunting.

But for right now, I'd much rather lynch teh than anyone else.

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Oh! Okay... Um, I don't really understand the point of the question, but I'll answer it the best I can!

I think bronco is scummy, and Jase was the one he was pseudo-questioning. While that does not make Jase town, it alleviates my day one concerns.

As for you, your vote on me was understandable... but then Teh voted me and threw out "piggyback" reasoning (I like that word!). He also said I voted randomly and without reason.

Bottom line, it seems like you and Jase are actually trying to scumhunt, while bronco was more poking around with a stick but not really hunting.

But for right now, I'd much rather lynch teh than anyone else.

The italicised part is the part I have beef with.

You say Bronco scummy, yet in the same breath say you'd rather lynch me, without giving any real reason's as to why. So I voted you for piggy backing, and that you seemed to put little thought into your votes, just trying to start a bandwagon. As well, I voted you because you seemed to panic, and throw the blame everywhere.

Still, if you think someone's scummy, you go for that person, you don't go "Well, he's scummy, but lets chase after him for a bit instead!" You go after the scummy guy, and don't let up.

Just because I find someone suspicious doesn't mean I don't find you MORE suspicious. I think you fail to realize that I find bronco mildly suspicious... but you are on a whole different level than him in my mind.

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Foil, why are you avoiding commenting on me?

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Let me clarify my contradiction in 160 and 162:

I meant to say I absolutely added nothing is harsh, because I saw what I saw and put it in my own words, then pointed out a post which I thought was suspicious. Yes, the post was an example of what had already been stated... but I was just calling out something I saw suspicious.

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I'm still here, guys!!

Sorry, been working at my new job all weekend! I see Nacho has some heat on him... I still prefer a Bronco lynch, but as Michel said above, I'd prefer a Nacho lynch over a no lynch.

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You know what... it's obvious that nobody is going to join in on my bronco vote before tomorrow. I'm going to have limited access due to work

So I'm going to go ahead and place my vote on

vote: Nachomamma8

because I like his wagon much more than Bean's.

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FOUR HOURS UNTIL DEADLINE!!

TBB will go for Nacho, bronco just went for TBB.

That leaves it down to Haylen if nobody else switches their vote!

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That was sort of my reasoning... I just figured everyone would vote before deadline I didn't know people would completely lurk their way into a no lynch! But at least I was voting... Haylen was not!

Vote: Haylen

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No, I didn't consider it at all, and I'm sorry! I seriously thought someone would hammer. I've never had any game go to a no lynch before deadline.

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Bronco, did you consider who might be able to hammer when you voted? Who did you expect to hammer TBB?

Michel, I looked at the thread and choose TBB. He has actively lurked the whole game, not provided any information to the game. Yes, I considered who would hammer, when I voted there were equal chance for both. I went with who I think is scum.

Why're you talking to yourself?

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Sposh: What about the nacho wagon made it more attractive than the bean wagon?

Bwain: I want your take on the events of day 1.

BeanBurrito: I also want your take on day 1. It doesn't matter if it's already been said, just say it again in your own words.

Haylen: Knowing what you know now, how would you change your activities from day 1?

Nacho: You spent a lot of late D1 defending yourself. As such I don't quite know who you're suspicious of. Any comments?

Bronco: What do you think of nachos claim that the anti town positions he took where meant to scumhunt sable?

Sable: What are the pros and cons of a no lynch today?

It's easy! I just never saw the case behind TBB, but Nacho had my eye the entire day.

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Vote: Nacho

because I supported it yesterday and I still support it today. YamiJoey's killing doesn't really tell us anything new.

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I think I could agree with a no lynch for today! It would even out the numbers and maybe give us more information.

I probably should have asked for reasons for the burrito vote, but I just really wanted to lynch Nacho and thought he would be a good day one lynch. =\

And yes, I'm still suspicious of Haylen... but I dunno. Nacho is also strangely missing it seems. For now, I think I agree with Michel on a

vote: no lynch

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I don't think there are any obviously town players in this game, though. Also, I think we should lynch Nacho or Haylen today.

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Why are you voting for a no-lynch if you want to lynch me or Haylen, and why did you change your mind so quickly? I really don't like the fact that you're simply suggesting a lynch without getting behind it.

I think a no lynch will balance the numbers out better and put us in a better situation at the end of the game! I am p sure everyone here knows the math so I won't bother with it.

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Nobody's posted for a long time!

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I'm also very wary of Michel being scum who's just very articulate... arrgh this is such a difficult decision! I do think we should probably actually lynch... town has too little power over the information being shown to us!

Unvote

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I will support a Haylen or bronco lynch.

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Seeing as how that's not my name, I'm not sure that counts!

Can you show me where I got overreactive?

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Vote: Haylen

She's now at L1. I don't think ANYONE SHOULD HAMMER UNTIL VEL RAN KOON (SP?) HAS A CHANCE TO CATCH UP.

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I really am not going to make a strong case because I've been very busy and haven't had time to contribute much. I also don't mind being lynched because I'm just a vanilla townie and the scum people are going to try and push my lynch the whole rest of the game!

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My top two scummiest people are Nacho and Haylen

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Uhh... I'm lost o_O