Open 172 - Mini Love - GAME OVER!

[Looker]

here and reading

[Looker]

So does that mean I can begin RVS with a

vote Nikanor

? (Sorry, but I really like your avatar)

[Looker]

/confirm but I refuse to enjoy myself.

vote Looker

, kicking off RVS is incredibly scummy.

I can't see how wanting to play the game is scummy. Was this a joke or do you genuinely believe that starting the game you signed up to play is a scumtell?

unvote
vote animorpher

[Looker]

@Nikanor: When you said officially started the game, what do you mean?

[Looker]

I can't see how wanting to play the game is scummy. Was this a joke or do you genuinely believe that starting the game you signed up to play is a scumtell?

Oh perhaps less a joke and more hyperbole. I am forced to wonder why you needed to twist it though, after all I obviously was not saying a townie should not play mafia.

Hyperbole? Will have to respond to this once I learn what hyperbole means.

Also, why are you apologizing?

Why are you avoiding my questions, Looker?

Vote: Looker.

@dramonic: Looker has seen me as scum, too.

I apologized because I singled you out. Of everybody I could've started RVS with a vote on, I chose you. And I'm still sorry regardless, that's stubbornness for ya.

[Looker]

Well if that's not a hyperbole, then what is...?

Sidenote: Do I need to use smilies to indicate jokes? Cuz I'm no good wit da smilies...

The Mole's Third Scumday VOTE COUNT

Looker (3): Head_Honcho, Netlava, Nikanor
Nikanor (2): dramonic, Locke Lamora
animorpherv1 (1): Looker
Slepz (1): Vino
dramonic (1): Snow_Bunny
Snow_Bunny (1): animorpherv1
Vino (1): Khamisa

Not Voting (2): Slepz, Yankee

With 12 Alive, 7 is needed to lynch.

[Looker]

O, okay. Well...I still don't get it but thanks, I now know what a hyperbole is...i think...

[Looker]

Oooh, pick me.

[Looker]

then please explain your reasoning if it is not random.

Was this vote ever explained?

He killed less than a million in my case.

Any scum amongst the ranks or were these all townies?

Because my vote would be the 4th on him. AKA L-2.

In your opinion, how bad is an L-2 vote in the RVS?

Not bad at all when you know who you're lynching is not on your team, if you catch my drift.

[Looker]

actually, they were a cult coupled with a bunch of serial killers.

Unvote
Vote: Ani

scared of L-2? Ridiculous <<

Nice

I'm really sick, I'll read and post something after I feel better.

Aw, hope you get well soon.

actually, they were a cult coupled with a bunch of serial killers.

Unvote
Vote: Ani

scared of L-2? Ridiculous <<

In the RVS? I think it's a bit much.

I wouldn't say I disagree. There's really not much you can go on right now unless you count the people pressing for a quick lynch, but, even then, that could possibly be playstyle in my opinion.

[Looker]

*coughChartercuogh*

?

[Looker]

Slepz: what did you find unjustified about my vote?

People who don't pay attention: Yankee placed a random vote on page 3. He'd already posted once, that was contentless, then he stuck a humourous random vote on Dramonic. Doesn't strike me as someone looking for scum, he just wanted the RVS to keep going. I did say I thought he was doing that, if you read the post.

I see no problem with the perpetuation of RVS as long as it doesn't distract from the objectivity of conversation, unless, of course, that's what you're accusing him of intending.

let me know when you're done with the refusing to contribute stage

I am done thanks to Nikanor.

So who thinks the lovers should claim?

Anybody who wants town to lose. I generally frown on any kind of claiming D1 that doesn't involve L-1, but you're basically saying that if the two town players die, then we can lynch another of the lovers and make two more players die, to cause a total of 3 town deaths to kill 1 scum. I say we use the "scumhunting" method instead. Plus I would rather have the two town lovers be a secret. In the event that the scum-town lovers die, the town-town lovers can be a confirmable asset in a lylo situation, but if they're claimed then they get NK'd by scum in a 2 for 1.

To be honest, I initially saw Nikanor's proposal of claiming right off-bat as sneaky and shady and kind of like cheating, but if there's any reason I shouldn't be feeling like this, let me know. It just seems like he wants our lovers to turn themselves in.

I think it's a fine idea. The lylo problem will affect us regardless of claim.

The lover-claim? If so, I disagree.

Yup, I'm happy with my Yankee vote. I agree that Khamisa needs to do something, though.

But maybe this could be a good strategy, i just dont see it....

'Maybe this could be a good strategy, but I'm not going to try to debate it in order to better inform my decision. Instead, I'll vote the guy who thought of the plan!'

Were there any other stipulations that could've made your plan appear pro-town that you didn't delineate within the thread? Sometimes we think of good plans but we don't relay them as accurately as we could.

its not that i dont want to debate it, it is that i dont feel it is worth risking 3 townies to catch 1 scum, when there would still be 2 undetermined scum out there..... Im not saying i dont think it wont work though, i am just saying it is asking the town to risk alot, and i dont know if i am willing to make that risk. Maybe my vote was a little early though, but i wasnt worried since it was the first vote on you

Scum will slip up eventually and I'm confident it won't cost us three townies for them to do so; however, this is simply my opinion.

[Looker]

Could you explain that, please?

VOTE COUNT

Khamisa (2): Netlava, dramonic
Vino (2): Khamisa, Head_Honcho
Yankee (2): Locke Lamora, Nikanor
animorpherv1 (1): Looker
dramonic (1): Snow_Bunny
Locke Lamora (1): Slepz
Nikanor (1): Yankee
Slepz (1): Vino
Snow_Bunny (1): animorpherv1

Not Voting (0)

With 12 Alive, 7 is needed to lynch.

[Looker]

O, okay, but Post 100 was in reference to the ratios.

[Looker]

She probably doesn't, (there are only two.)

[Looker]

your dinosaur is cool

[Looker]

yeah

[Looker]

yeah

[Looker]

sigh

unvote
vote slepz

[Looker]

No, Slepz needs to come back first.

[Looker]

I'm still confused as to warnings and threats and how to deal with them. Should I care?

[Looker]

It would help by putting pressure on the wagonee.
And where did I say I wanted a hammer?

Sorry, but I don't negotiate with terrorists...

[Looker]

No, Vino, you're not getting it. He's trying to make it so that he can change his vote later on to hop on a wagon if it forms. That way, since he just threw that in there, he can go "As aforementioned, I'd be okay with a Looker lynch". They call that CYA *Cover your ass*. Or at least that's how I'm seeing it. But anywayz, whateva happened to Slepz?

[Looker]

Uh-uh, it doesn't. You didn't say why you'd prefer a Looker lynch

[Looker]

@Locke - Good question. Could've been asked without a vote, but good question anywayz.

unvote

actually, they were a cult coupled with a bunch of serial killers.

Unvote
Vote: Ani

scared of L-2? Ridiculous <<

achoo

Vote:Khamisa

ooooo

unvote
Vote: Looker

To be brief because I'm gettin' hungry, Dramonic strikes me as opportunistic, hopping onto wagons with no explanation. He's the scum.

vote dramonic

[Looker]

Not good enough to unvote, I see. Nikanor's proposal of a random bandwagoning, amongst other things (anything purported to randomly lynch/kill an individual I believe is cowardice/a cop-out and irresponsible to say the least) strikes me as scummy as well.

Also, why are you apologizing?

Why are you avoiding my questions, Looker?

Vote: Looker.

@dramonic: Looker has seen me as scum, too.

This I could attribute to RVS, but in light of later stretches, this, too, is a stretch.

So who thinks the lovers should claim?
I'm pro-loverclaim.
Here are my reasons:
-The pro-town lovers will gain nigh immunity to night kills. If one set of lovers dies, we automatically lynch the other to catch scum.
-We can focus on other players, narrowing our day one lynch pool to eight.
However, I do acknowledge that it would put us in lylo after two mislynches, barring a doc protect, when it would usually only be mylo. I believe the pros outweigh the cons in this situation.

What do y'all think?

The lover-claim proposal was a fiasco; however, the only explanation given by Nikanor for not only role-fishing but requesting a claim Day 1 was the following:

To be honest, I initially saw Nikanor's proposal of claiming right off-bat as sneaky and shady and kind of like cheating, but if there's any reason I shouldn't be feeling like this, let me know. It just seems like he wants our lovers to turn themselves in.

Actually, I posted it because the game was stalling, hehe.

I don't see how that flies. Did you try to pull a fast one? But anyway, nothing happened, no suspicions were cast, it was ignored. So much so that he pulled this little stunt:

What we need right now is a quickly-built bandwagon with absolutely no reasoning whatsoever.

Unvote. Vote: Looker.

I mean, come on. Where does horrible playstyle and anti-town behavior cross over into scumminess and intentionally pushing for a mislynch? Is it just me or are people voting for me because they're ready for Night 1?

[Looker]

Question: Are people allowed to change or grow? Because meta appears to me to be counterintuitive.

[Looker]

To be honest, I don't know what it is myself, but I know that people like to reference it. From my understanding, it's taking how people have reacted and played within past games and applying it to their playstyle in current games. I would believe this to be counterintuitive because with each game you learn new things and you try new things, so I can't see how meta would really be helpful. Of course, I'm open to any discourse on the matter.

[Looker]

It's Nikanor.

[Looker]

You're the one with the smart stuff to say, so when you're absent, the thread feels empty. We miss u.

[Looker]

O, well enjoy your holidays!

[Looker]

Nikanor, I noticed that you said that Yankee needed to be lynched earlier. What do you think of Yankee atm?

I still think he needs to be lynched. I'd be okay with a Looker lynch as well.

Unvote. Vote: Yankee.

Moi? What did I do?

What's the case on Yankee again?

Read above.

If Yankee flips scum, I'm going to remember this post of yours, Snow.

And hopefully so will everyone else if Yankee flips town, you can't bully people into believing what you believe. Ask my science teacher

The above is not enough. What's the case?

I'm not going to explain it to you. Just read Yankee's posts. Do you not find him scummy?

Apparently not. The only way that should have worked was if Snow hadn't already read. A re-read with no guidance shouldn't yield different results, but o well.

Here we go.

Vote: Nikanor

* For refusing to back up his votes with more than just "Don't you agree?"
* For going back and forth between votes to see which one will stick.
* For talking so flippantly about lynching lovers.

Not that I disagree with what Nikanor is saying, as I find Yankee and Looker both to be moderately scummy, but I find the way that he's going about it to be rather underhanded, and I'd like to hear Nik's opinions on the matter. (There's that stance vs behavior thing again!)

Snow Bunny, I presume you did a read of Yankee's posts like Nik asked you to, since you say you agree that he's scummy. What exactly do you find to be scummy?

So Nik is a wolf in sheep's clothing? Great...

ok, join my bandwagon if you like, just makes you more scummy in my eyes because you didnt even explain why you think I am scummy. Just jumped on bandwagon with little to no explanation other then you wanted another vote on me. How is that not scummier then whatever it is you think i have done to appear so scummy?

Refering to this?

Unvote, vote: Yankee

I find Yankee scummy, and I feel like his bandwagon could use a little momentum.

Because, if so, she included reasons in the following posts. She thinks you're scum with Khamisa for the most part.

Netlava's Post 136 (Too long to quote)

Could be tunnel vision, but I find Yankee kind of scummy also.

I was going to whine about Slepz's lurking, but I see he's getting replaced, so looking at the list and scanning for lurkers (sorry, standard procedure here), I notice khamisa still isn't saying anything. Still happy with my vote.

Yankee's reasons for voting me are weird. I mean, first of all he says that being "insightful" is out of character for me. I'd like to think that I'm always insightful, but that's besides the point. Yankee's only played one game with me, so saying that me being insightful is out of character is a slight stretch. But more importantly, I can't follow his line of thought. If you say that I'm being "insightful," that's a good thing, right? So why would I be your top suspect? Even including the "out of character" line of thought, I still don't think it makes sense.

Yankee, if you think my post was "insightful," does that mean you agree with my points on khamisa?

But what catches my eye is the following.

What we need right now is a quickly-built bandwagon with absolutely no reasoning whatsoever.

Unvote. Vote: Looker.

Because I'm wondering, does this quickly-assembled wagon on Yankee fit the bill? And, if so, what are its intentions? Are we trying to lynch Yankee or just draw out the scum? Are we trying to pressure Yankee? I don't know what's going on here. I actually thought we were trying to draw out the scum, because...well...that's just what I thought...

[Looker]

unvote

[Looker]

Ok, I'm here.

I don't have time for an in depth analysis, but the scum are: Netlava, Snow_Bunny, and Looker.

Not this time around, furwert

Due to an error, I have to replace out. But here are my thoughts pre-error.

Yankee

- Post 93- Votes someone for doing something scummy while at the same time adding doubt to the vote/wagon

Looker

- Post 111- Useless. You posted before and during the discussion of lover claim on that page, yet didn't give your input.

your dinosaur is cool

Looker

- Post 194- Given ultimatum, but responds with condescendence on whether or not she should care about it.

I'm still confused as to warnings and threats and how to deal with them. Should I care?

Head Honcho

- Post 195- Discrediting the idea of an ultimatum, followed up by putting his suspicion of the receiving end of the ultimatum without actually committing.

Dramonic

- Post 197- votes with no posted reason

Yankee

- Post 224- Burnout.... should have had a lynch by now

Scummiest person probably looker

Oh and my previous scum list was just a joke. All three people I listed either played in a game with me or I modded a game with them in it.

I stand by my Post 111 and, as far as Post 194, I do not negotiate with terrorists!

And I'm always the scummiest person, why is that?

Nikanor's Post 260 - So Snow is Yankee's buddy, eh? So I was...right? Flushin' out the scum, what a devious plan, Nikanor. You are, indeed, underhanded. (If this was your intention, of course... )

of course I get paired up with gomer pyle over here : p. It's a shame you used my name since now there is no saving us if you are truly town, but I appreciate you not killing me.

There's no reason for the other lovers to claim yet, though I think it is moderately likely the scum already knows who the other lovers are.

And try not to take the game SO seriously Yankee, everyone is a beautiful and unique snowflake and learns to scumhunt in their own way.

I find myself doubtful of Nikanor's motives recently, but everything about Looker strikes me as scum trying his best to pretend to scumhunt, and he is still my preferred lynch for the day.

I concur with the taking the game not so seriously. I used to get upset, I guess I thought I was going to die for real if someone lynched me. Now I understand that this is a game. But um...why in the F CK are you trying to lynch me?!?!?

[Looker]

In fact my sleep has been rather poor lately. However, I don't get why you think that's a stupid question. If you or Yankee is scum then I don't see how scum can know who the other pair is other than making a guess based on reading the game thus far. So I'm trying to figure out why you think they do.

I'm hoping he wasn't going to revert back to the lover-claim proposal now that he's been outted. If he was scum feigning town, it could be a good tactic.

BOY VINO I DON'T KNOW IF ONLY IT WERE SUPER OBVIOUS

Retort in place of an answer. Scumminess, frustration, or both?

Geez, you are tunneling me without any real bases on it. Distancing? Where? When? How? Voting for me because I voted for someone else when that person seems scummy? That's like the lamest reason ever! Scum trying to frame me, not good.

Lamest reason of all. I thought my voting Slepz so as not to forget him was the lamest reason of all...but, then again, I can't find the post to quote so I'll drop it.

[Looker]

Still somewhat lost but I think we could gain the most info, right now, from the following flips

1. Yankee
2. Snow - Nikanor - Dramonic

Because, as far as I'm concerned, no one is confirmed anything except Yankee's lover claim with HH, but even that could be a gambit, so I don't know. I'll read through later on and remember what I'm doing in this game.

[Looker]

@Kirby: Khamisa is likely to be town, imo. Do you want to join me in voting Snow_Bunny? You did give them equal scores, after all.

Also, you are pushing a little too hard that SnowBunny is scum because of her supposed distancing on Yankee. You then switch your vote to her because she's voting Yankee.
It looks like you and Yankee are scum and you are trying to maneuver your way into a vote on someone other than Yankee.

Let me phrase it this way: Do you really think Yankee would be this close to death so quickly if he were town? Do you really think everyone would pretty much ignore his lover claim if he weren't town?

Possibly if you were intending on using this fact to your advantage. Are you trying to someway confirm Yankee as town because his bandwagon took off due to boredom and the latent bloodlust of forum-goers? We

all

want something to happen, Nikanor - ALL of us.

Animorpherv1:

Then, in response to the plan, you say:

It's a good plan in essence, but it's pretty risky.

That's not even true. You don't think it's a good plan at all. Do you doubt Nik's motives at all? My feeling from your interactions is that you actually believe he can't be scum, because you certainly don't seem to be considering the possibility.

In my opinion, this part is personal, as to if someone sees Nikanor's plan as working or not, and you really shouldn't hold it against someone.

Looker, please give reasons with your vote (even though now we know it's because slepz isn't here, I have warned you and next time I will consider you scum).

Why the warning?

Because I thought it was fair. What he did was, in my opinon, a slight scum tell, and I informed him that if he did it again, then I would vote him.

Still not sure as to how I should react to warnings.

Sorry, the definition I had in my head of chainsaw was that you come in and defend a votee before he/she has had a chance to. Your example strikes me more as OMGUS.

You're still not getting it, haha.
I'm trying to convince you to come over to a wagon which you have ranked as equal in scumminess to your own. That's all.

It's mostly based on past actions: not letting the RVS discussion go, lurking, etc. And not only did it manage a 7.5, it also garnered a vote.

Well, I feel your Snow_Bunny rating was more justified. Another thing you should do, Kirby (if you're town, I mean) is go through Khamisa's recent posts. Do you think they are scummy, null, or townie? It looks to me as if you're ignoring the more townie posts of Khamisa and going straight for the scummy ones.

@Yankee: If you're town, stop self-voting. At least give us something to work off of once you are dead.
If you are scum, keep self-voting, and tell all your partners to jump on your wagon now.

You're sneaky, Nikanor. Are you trying to say that anyone that disagrees with you is anti-town? That's what it seems like with that little parenthesized remark you made. You got Snow_Bunny, let's leave Kirbyoshi with the good guys, alright?

[Looker]

And as far as your (72) in Post 308, Kirby, what are you implying? That I don't pay attention? Is there any particular reason you would try to imply this?

[Looker]

Do you really think Yankee would be this close to death so quickly if he were

n't

town?

Sorry, I typo'd. The negatives messed me up.

Yankee, do you think I'm scummy? Your 313 makes it look like you're voting me because you're confused.

Looker's 309 is just a pile of WIFOM and strawmanning, and I'm not responding to it.

Snow_Bunny's lurking isn't helping my suspicions of her.

Crap

Looker, aside from responding to random quotes, who do you think is scum?

Hey, those weren't random! Now

these

,

THESE

are random.

So who thinks the lovers should claim?
I'm pro-loverclaim.
Here are my reasons:
-The pro-town lovers will gain nigh immunity to night kills. If one set of lovers dies, we automatically lynch the other to catch scum.
-We can focus on other players, narrowing our day one lynch pool to eight.
However, I do acknowledge that it would put us in lylo after two mislynches, barring a doc protect, when it would usually only be mylo. I believe the pros outweigh the cons in this situation.

What do y'all think?

Initially a bad idea, however, as I've come to understand, Nikanor is smart, he's not oblivious to consequence or anything like that. (He's not stupid) However, he still thinks this is a good idea and pushes for it.

i dont feel it is worth risking 3 townies to catch 1 scum

Actually, that's a good trade, imo. It increases the power role : townie ratio without increasing the scum : town ratio.

Then, when he changes his mind, instead of admitting it was a bad (scummy) idea, he insists he posted it because the game was stalling...hehe . I believe he fully intended on following through with the lover lynches. Nikanor wanted to kill our lovers (which is a good move, by the way. Like I said, you're smart)

To be honest, I initially saw Nikanor's proposal of claiming right off-bat as sneaky and shady and kind of like cheating, but if there's any reason I shouldn't be feeling like this, let me know. It just seems like he wants our lovers to turn themselves in.

Actually, I posted it because the game was stalling, hehe.

There were some people that suspected Head Honcho of being scum. Well, there you go, early collaboration for the lynching of our lovers.

I feel I should mention though, if this were to happen for some reason a better way to do it would be to have one lover from each set claim.

I heartily endorse this idea as much better than my own.

But it was this part that really ticked me off. I'm currently town; however, I'm studying how mafia work within games, particularly this one, and I was all set to study the different tactics and everything when Nikanor busted this out on me, a quickly-builty bandwagon with "absolutely no reasoning whatsoever." The guy proposed a mislynch, and on ME!

What we need right now is a quickly-built bandwagon with absolutely no reasoning whatsoever.

Unvote. Vote: Looker.

He then jumped wagons just like that, never giving any reason why he picked me in particular or whether he thought me scummy or anything. He just jumped on Yankee's wagon and said that he'd still prefer my lynch when I didn't even do anything. (You're a bully, Nik! )

Nikanor, I noticed that you said that Yankee needed to be lynched earlier. What do you think of Yankee atm?

I still think he needs to be lynched. I'd be okay with a Looker lynch as well.

Unvote. Vote: Yankee.

Another example of Nik being a bully - he bullied Snow into voting Yankee. (I thought this was scummy, btw, so somebody should probably be keeping tabs on Snow )

The above is not enough. What's the case?

I'm not going to explain it to you. Just read Yankee's posts. Do you not find him scummy?

He says he found me scummy but never posted a case and when I ask him what evidence he has against me, he just generalizes (BSes) and says "lots of stuff", but Yankee is scummier, which translated to me as opportunism.

* For going back and forth between votes to see which one will stick.

Yup. I found both Looker and Yankee to be scummy. I have no idea why you people have such difficulties building a solid bandwagon. :/

* For talking so flippantly about lynching lovers.

What's your point? If we never lynch any lovers, we will lose. You wouldn't want that, would you?

Lol. It is scummy to ask why someone is being railroaded?

It is scummy to ask for the case on confirmed scum, yes. Not that I'm calling him confirmed scum, but as I said in the thing you quoted, I'll only take Snow's post into consideration if Yankee flips scum.

Snow Bunny, I presume you did a read of Yankee's posts like Nik asked you to, since you say you agree that he's scummy. What exactly do you find to be scummy?

I notice that Snow_Bunny has ignored this. If Yankee flips scum, Snow deserves a lynch for her obvious distancing on Yankee.

Moi? What did I do?

Lots of stuff. If it makes you feel any better, I think Yankee is scummier.

You wanted to know who I thought was scum, well now you've got it/there you have it. So much for lurkerville.

vote Nikanor

[Looker]

EBWOP:

built[/b] bandwagon, lol, I doubt Nikanor proposed a quickly-builty bandwagon.

[Looker]

LMFAO!!

EBWOP: EBWOP:

built

!!!

[Looker]

Oh, well now that i know it was a typo you seem alot less scummy to me. That was my main arguement against you. Right now i am more suspicious of Khamisa because her reasoning in post 282 makes absolutely no sense, and she didnt bother to explain herself. Seems to me like she wanted to join the wagon just to lynch me and HH. I would unvote and vote for Khamisa, but i feel like i have done enough vote hopping for one day and i think i need to do some serious thinking about how things are playing out before voting again.

Unvote

FoS: Khamisa

Don't know how to ease it in there so I'm just going to throw it out there. I think Yankee is the treacherous lover, Head Honcho is the town lover, and Nikanor is mafia, but I can't think of who else could be on his team other than dramonic.

You know guys, i believe that HH is actually another Town lover, because if you think about it, wouldnt a scum lover at least subtly defend his lover from being lynched when he is so close to being lynched? A town lover would still have the possibility of having a scum lover partner and wouldnt defend that lover as much.

In our case i dont think HH has defended me at all this whole game, lol. (need to work on our relationship a bit!) Therefore, I believe HH is the other town lover. Im not saying the other lovers should claim, i am just putting my thoughts out there for you all to interpret how you want.

I'm not saying the other lovers should claim either. It wouldn't make much sense, especially when we already have you outted the way you are. I don't want to lynch you though, not yet anyway. (God that is a horrible word. "Lynch" )

@Kirby: Khamisa is likely to be town, imo. Do you want to join me in voting Snow_Bunny? You did give them equal scores, after all.

Also, you are pushing a little too hard that SnowBunny is scum because of her supposed distancing on Yankee. You then switch your vote to her because she's voting Yankee.
It looks like you and Yankee are scum and you are trying to maneuver your way into a vote on someone other than Yankee.

Let me phrase it this way: Do you really think Yankee would be this close to death so quickly if he were town? Do you really think everyone would pretty much ignore his lover claim if he weren't town?

Possibly if you were intending on using this fact to your advantage. Are you trying to someway confirm Yankee as town because his bandwagon took off due to boredom and the latent bloodlust of forum-goers? We

all

want something to happen, Nikanor - ALL of us.

I still stand by this, convoluted though it may seem. You form a bandwagon on Yankee the way you tried to do me but when his gets up there, you unvote. Yankee does the same thing with you, votes you, gets you up there, and then unvotes. I'm lost right now, will pick up with this again later. Right now, I'm hungry. STEAK!!!

[Looker]

EWBOP:

BUILT!!!

[Looker]

LMFAO! No, no, no, of course not! That was for whoever thought you were mafia - I personally think it's Yankee at the moment, but you'd probably kill the other lover pair who stepped up. But, then again, that goes into human behavior and choices and all that stuff - people aren't always predictable so you never know. That's funny tho.

2 thumbs up for making me laugh

Wait, and how do you

read

sum1?

[Looker]

Looker seems to be getting more stupid as time goes by. "Quickly-builty?" Seriously?

I'm certainly glad there's been a lot of activity recently.

Sorry Vino, it's just that you were taking the least likely interpretation and I did not understand why. If everyone knows Yankee and I are lovers, and given my POV I say I think it is moderately likely that the scum already know who the other pair is, what am I implying?

You're implying that you and Yankee are town and therefore scum already knows who the other pair is because they have one. That's reasonable, except for the fact that I specifically said when I asked you the question about the case where you two are the scum lovers:

I presume you mean if Honcho-Yankee is the traitorous lover pair, then scum already knows who the town lover pair is.

so the other two lovers are town-town and scum doesn't know who they are. Am I missing something?

I am. I'm missing why you deemed it necessary to call me stupid.

[Looker]

EBWOP: built[/b] bandwagon, lol, I doubt Nikanor proposed a quickly-builty bandwagon.

LMFAO!!

EBWOP: EBWOP:

built

!!!

EWBOP:

BUILT!!!

[Looker]

Well, it was a bad idea, but a) bad ideas are not always necessarily scummy. I'm sure you've had bad ideas as town before, so don't try to make it into a scum tell now. And b) my motivation really was because the game was stalling. I know from experience that a good way to pick up a stalling game in its early stages is to discuss how we can use the setup to our advantage.

What's your point?

My choice actually wasn't random

. There are two types of people who wouldn't be

threatened by a random bandwagon

with no reasoning

: town, and confident scum. Since you don't seem like the kind of person to be a confident scum player, I figured your reaction would be roughly indicative of your alignment. My results? Well, things like what I just quoted aren't helping you very much, that's for sure. I'll have to check back to be sure, though, as I forgot to do so earlier. :/

Well there you go. I just did, hehe.

You must be really sensitive if you consider 'don't you agree?' to be a form of bullying. I mean, seriously?

That quote is what I was referring to when I said WIFOM, by the way.

There's a contradiction in that post, Nikanor. I bolded it for you. And you're right, that wasn't bullying per se, it was more coaxing or coercing.

Looker seems to be getting more stupid as time goes by. "Quickly-builty?" Seriously?

Why are you trying to discredit Looker? It was obviously a typo, but it seems you are looking for reasons to call him stupid.

It seems Vino lacks subtlety . Unfortunately, subliminal messages don't work so well in forums

Looker seems to be getting more stupid as time goes by. "Quickly-builty?" Seriously?

Why are you trying to discredit Looker? It was obviously a typo, but it seems you are looking for reasons to call him stupid.

He did it twice. I dunno, it's not that I actually think he's stupid, it's just that he gets sillier and sillier as the game goes on. As Honcho says, it makes him harder to read. Or am I just imagining things?

Huh? You're confused? Well, my opinion of "silly" is MUCH better than that of "stupid". Just sayin'.

Are you implying that I'm not to be taken seriously if I don't explain how voting someone for saying someone else is stupid is AtE?

... ...I thought I understood it but then I lost it again...crap, hate when that happens.

animorpherv1 needs to get in this game.

I said before, I have school and I'm sleeping when you guys are posting. Normally after, I'm too tired to think for a while.

But, honestly if you want my opinion, it's the same as last time. Nikanor is scum.

BTW, I disagree with town and confident scum not being afraid of bandwagons. If someone reaches L-1 because of a bandwagon, and your town, would you not be worried of scum hammer?

actually, they were a cult coupled with a bunch of serial killers.

Unvote
Vote: Ani

scared of L-2? Ridiculous <<

In the RVS? I think it's a bit much.

No inconsistencies here with animorph.

actually, they were a cult coupled with a bunch of serial killers.

Unvote
Vote: Ani

scared of L-2? Ridiculous <<

Might I propose, once again, a Nikanor and Dramonic scumteam with Yankee as the treacherous lover...?

[Looker]

O, and AtE stands for Appeal to Emotion, Ms. Khamisa

[Looker]

will read up on khamisa then because, oddly enough, i don't remember any of her posts, scummy or otherwise.

[Looker]

khamisa's boring.

NIKANOR

on the other hand...

[Looker]

HI! lol

[Looker]

Yankee: So you were scumhunting when you voted yourself? Also, explain your votes on Nikanor and me.

Do you think it's possible that Yankee & Nik could

both

be mafia?

Off the game topic, but what moving day? And this forum is shutting down completely to move somewhere else im assuming? If so then what will be the new site?

OT: Yeah, man, I don't know. I wish somebody would've told me

[Looker]

Off topic: @Yankee - I found the Global Announcement or whatever for the site move in the Queue.

On topic: @Yankee - Can we get one of those things Snow Whatever just did from you? Or at least a vote, that would help sort things out.

[Looker]

Off Topic: It hasn't happened yet so who da hell knows. Enjoy your tipsiness.

On Topic: DIE YOU LYING SCUM!!!

Off Topic: It's pretty outside...

[Looker]

As for my vote, i just noticed the deadline is in 2 days so I may as well vote on my Suspicion of Khamisa.

Vote: Khamisa

Thus making it a showdown of Nikanor V Khamisa.

Those voting Yankee (Dramonic & Khamisa): How likely do you think it for Yankee and Nikanor to be on the same team? Unless, of course, you believe you can swing the bandwagon back over to Yankee in the course of two days.

I'll consider the cases on Khamisa, but I doubt I'll vote a player just for being boring, though that could make for a nice policy lynch . Gotta remember that next time around...

[Looker]

Pre or post lynch, Cowpat?

[Looker]

I thought maybe he was proposing lynch one and have the other claim. I don't know, I'm no psychologist, I don't know how people think (or

if

for that matter...).

[Looker]

Okay, fell out of the loop but will try to jump back in with the next votecount. Until then, deuces.

[Looker]

unvote

Animorph, tomorrow you are going to need to post a lot more than you did today. As has been mentioned everyone being asleep when you're posting should have no bearing as this is indeed a forum.

I know this and I'm trying dammnit.

I know the feeling

Yankee is a lynch for scum and cowards. The man himself is the main supporter of it.

That probably would have worked if you weren't the one to say it. Now it just looks like a setup.

Is Looker V/LA?

Unvote. Vote: Khamisa.

As much as I want Vino to be lynched, I suppose I could go for a Khamisa lynch instead.

@Khamisa's lover: Now would probably be a good time to claim. You're at L-2.

Hey, you missed me!

And I don't get the point of having both lovers outted. Having one out is fucked up. I say wait it out, see if the first batch of outted lovers survive before we go throwing others into the fray. But, then again, I believe Yankee's Mafia so that could be affecting my opinion.

Triple post:

More evidence that i think proves HH and me as town lovers is the fact that we actually support a lover lynch. Like I have said on multiple occasions, I am perfectly fine being lynched to benefit the town. The only reason I would rather lynch Khamisa is because frankly i believe HH is town. Why else would he be supportive of something that would ultimately get him killed? Also before we were outed he failed to even try to defend me when i was under heavy attack. I say Khamisa should claim her lover, and if her lover is Vino we should lynch him immediately!

Khamisa, please claim your lover, or Khamisa's lover, please claim yourself!

Are y'all serious? Props to you, Yankee, you're like "If I gotta go out, I'm takin them other lover bitches with me." Lol, that shit's hilarious. But no, I don't think that's a good idea.

vote yankee

[Looker]

*Sigh* I've given my reasoning many times for not wanting to lynch lovers, but I suppose if that's what we're going to do then there's no stopping it. It appears that we're not going to get any seven people to agree on one person to lynch. We should at least know who Khamisa's partner is though, before we do this, so I also think that person should claim. (PS it's not me nice try Yankee.) I'll have no part in it though, my vote stays on Nikanor the Non-Claimer (barring he doesn't turn out to be the last lover.)

I highly doubt Nikanor's scum all by himself. I know he's scum, but he can't be scum alone. Do you believe that both Khamisa and Yankee are town? If so, could you convince the rest of us with your results?

[Looker]

choose wisely

VOTE COUNT

Khamisa (5): Kirbyoshi, Netlava, Head_Honcho, Yankee, Nikanor
Yankee (5): Khamisa, dramonic, Locke Lamora, Snow_Bunny, Looker
Nikanor (2): Vino, animorpherv1

Not Voting (0)

With 12 Alive, 7 is needed to lynch.
4 Needed to lynch at Deadline.
Don't forget Rules 7-1 and 7-2 at deadline.

The extended deadline is October 24th, sometime in the evening.

[Looker]

As to "Do what?", I meant state whether or not you believe both Khamisa and Yankee are town.

[Looker]

[Looker]

This will be...interesting...