The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

populartajo · Post Post #17 (isolation #0) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:58 am

Vote: Kise.

Wagon gogogog.

populartajo · Post Post #70 (isolation #1) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:41 am

Jordan, please experince in mafia games.

And BM please stop spamming.

populartajo · Post Post #72 (isolation #2) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:47 am

SocioPath please stop spamming.

populartajo · Post Post #76 (isolation #3) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:50 am

~Jordan` wrote:
populartajo wrote:Jordan, please experince in mafia games.
I've played a few mafias in other sites.
Nothing special; but at least by pure luck I havent lost yet

And in those other mafias, have you experienced random voting? What do you think about it?

populartajo · Post Post #80 (isolation #4) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:54 am

So Jordan, why were you against everyone random voting in this post?

~Jordan` wrote:ok. this is a terrible RVS. We need people to defend themselves; think; prosper. If literally EVERYONE randomly votes, then nothing will begin.

About Kise. He claims to be jester who can win during the Night, and announces it. obv lying.
I'm guessing some sort of martyr ability?

Kise wuld not want us to kill him if it didnt benefit him. Come now, people. Think.

Kmd and stark, random or what is the case on Vaya?

populartajo · Post Post #236 (isolation #5) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:21 pm

Seems I missed a major bandwagon.

My first reaction to my PM was okay, mmm, aligned to the council, kay no partners, wins when all who oppose The Council are eliminated, yey, town. Now that I think about it, I could also have assumed that I was some kind of traitorish role working for the councilscum powers (I dont know why I didnt) but after seeing the op, I confirmed I was town.

So I can see why someone could have made this mistake. Dont totally understand it but its not that impossible considering what vollkan just said. With that said, this wagon smells bad for some reason

There are tons of interesting reactions.

For example:

dramonic wrote:
DeathNote wrote:That depends.... is council town?
In this post, we see DN is a third party

Unvote
Vote: DeathNote

Incidentally, I don't like third parties.

I think this reaction is one of the most prob townies. It doesnt make sense for scum to try to paint this as a third party slip. Also additional fact: could be timestamps but the group of Plum, kk and Spyrex apparently missed Deathnote post.

Kublai, Spyrex and Plum are better players than simple bandwagoners. IGMEOY.

Snow_Bunny wrote:Can I join the bandwagon?

Vote: DeathNote

Well, my role pm made it clear that the Council was town, so if you really didn't know it's because YOU ARE NOT TOWN!!!!

Err, how did your pm made it clear that the Council was town?

Socio is ignoring the deathnote situation and Im very close to call Benmage confirmed town for the rest of the game.

stark wrote:
DeathNote wrote:Where does it say what is town anywhere? Is it listed that Council=town? If so, point it out to me please.
It should say it in your PM, scum.

unvote

Vote: DeathNote

Where?

Kise, stop playing stupid.

Sajin wrote:When I first read my PM I was thoroughly confused. Only by reading the opening post did I understand that the council was the ruling body of the town (and not a informed minority of it like the word "council" could imply). So I could easily see how deathnote made a similar mistake to that. If you wish to think he was scummy for not understanding his alignment prior to posting in thread, fine- I can see that. But I do not think that not quite understanding the correlation is scummy in and of itself. It certainly does not deserve the quickness of this wagon.

Stark's slip I cannot see.

What do you think of Stark, plum?

Sajin is town.

And Vollkan is town.

populartajo · Post Post #269 (isolation #6) » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:24 am

Bunny, two questions.

Paraphrase your flavor.

And experience in mafia games, please.

populartajo · Post Post #271 (isolation #7) » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:26 am

Snow_Bunny wrote:
populartajo wrote:
Snow_Bunny wrote:Can I join the bandwagon?

Vote: DeathNote

Well, my role pm made it clear that the Council was town, so if you really didn't know it's because YOU ARE NOT TOWN!!!!
Err, how did your pm made it clear that the Council was town?

First, as I wasn't listed any partners, I supposed I was town. Second, the flavor make me think I was town. Third, my power, when I'm investigated I look like a converter, make me believe I was town (well, I still haven't played the first mafia where scum has investigative roles). And fourth, though it wasn't on my pm, the flavor of the first role confirmed my suspicions that The Council was town (the npc found dead was the leader of The Council).

KK and Vaya, what do you think of this answer and Bunny's motivation to claim miller?

populartajo · Post Post #339 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:51 pm

Okay. Bunny is town.

Kublai Khan wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:confirmed town, barring a counter-claim.
I loved comments like this when I fakeclaimed miller.

Snow_Bunny wrote:That's why I'm telling you, you can lynch me whenever you want, but I claimed for the sake of town. If any investigating role wishes to confirm its sanity, just check me, and if you still don't believe me, you can easily lynch me tomorrow (and thus reveal that I'm just a townie that feels guilty.)
Sounds like the mafia team has a Watcher role.

unvote
vote: Snow_Bunny

This is a terrible post. Not because you fakeclaimed miller that means everyone claiming miller must be scum. Also its pretty obvious that Bunny's motivations are not scummy and you trying to paint her obv newbie motivation (get any investigating role to confirm its sanity) as a mafia watcher move is scummy as hell.

You are like pressuring someone for no reason at all.

Vote : Kublai Khan.

populartajo · Post Post #340 (isolation #9) » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:59 pm

LlamaFluff wrote:Can someone also give me a good consise version of why stark is being wagoned? Im trying to string it together and cant tell if I am missing something or if its grasping at straws.

Basically, stark said that there was enough information on the pm to know that the council was town.

He is wrong but as I said, I can see some people assuming they were town for diverse factors (no partners in pm, having already checked the op)

So the debate here is that we dont know if stark is town being wrong about the pm being strictly clear or council=town or if he is scum trying to look as town with the information provided in the op to make a case against someone that failed at confirming his alignment.

Stark other posting is also pretty meh so I can see why he could be wagoned. Im neutral about him.

populartajo · Post Post #343 (isolation #10) » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:10 pm

DeathNote, when you got your PM what was the first thing you thought and what was the first thing you did?

populartajo · Post Post #360 (isolation #11) » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:50 am

KK wrote:The answer and motivation are consistent with a miller role. However that's pretty easy for scum to fake. The part I dislike most about Snow_Bunny's claim is the repeated insistence that she be investigated before we lynch her.

Yeah but thats an obv newbie town move, not a scum move. She wants cops to check sanity with her. Which is a dumb idea but not scummy.

So do you think Bunny is more likely scum trying to make retarded cops to investigate her so that watcher can catch them or do you think its more likely that she is a newbie miller with a silly idea?

populartajo · Post Post #361 (isolation #12) » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:53 am

KK wrote:Your "obv newbie" read is my gambit-read. The amount that she has begged to be investigated convinces me that she is scum and trying to draw investigations/vigging so that the mafia has a leg-up on a power-heavy town through the use of a watcher. She should be lynched.

KK, really?

Ill give you a last chance to isolate Bunny, trying to find at least a protown motivation for her proposals.

Also do you think that everyone that claims miller is scum?

populartajo · Post Post #362 (isolation #13) » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:53 am

Also BM, strop triple posting.

populartajo · Post Post #679 (isolation #14) » Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:13 am

Fail from Jordan there.

Hi, DGB.

DrippingGoofball wrote:
vote: Kublai Khan
because I'm always happy to help hunting scum.

Fixed.

In all seriousness, am I the only one that thinks that KK's reasons for thinking that Bunny is scum are at least null tells?

populartajo · Post Post #708 (isolation #15) » Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:22 pm

Snow Bunny is obv newbie town.

One of alvinz, Socio and DGB is scum. Not sure which one yet.

populartajo · Post Post #709 (isolation #16) » Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:24 pm

tubby216 wrote:
dramonic wrote:
Snow_Bunny wrote:
Well, just an advice for those who want to vig me. If there's going to be any vigging for me, at least do it during the day, when it's untraceable.
Do you seriously mean that???

so seriously answer this.

since just a few pages ago you were callin for investigative roles to look at you when they can be tracked, but omg don't kill me at nite cause you'll get tracked??

Tubby, explain to me how is this a reason to call someone scum. Because Im clearly not seeing it.

populartajo · Post Post #715 (isolation #17) » Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:19 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
populartajo wrote:Snow Bunny is obv newbie town.

One of alvinz, Socio and DGB is scum. Not sure which one yet.
Oh KRAP. Tajo is total evil manipulative scum.

He KNOWS Snow_Bunny is town.

Based on current evidence on thread, Ill say she is very likely town. Tell me why you disagree.

DrippingGoofball wrote:Then, for no reason at all, he picks out three players and declares one to be scum - I suppose for voting a claimed miller (who did seem to have heard on the grapevine about claiming miller day 1 makes it all OK and everyone falls for it).

Of course I have a reason for picking out these three players. Do you see any reasoning in their posts? Nobody is giving any more reason than omg, she is a miller, therefore she is lying scum. Does that make sense to you? What if the girl is really a freaking miller? Easy target much?

Do you at least now why Socio and alvinz are voting Snow instead of first calling out on my normal play?

populartajo · Post Post #717 (isolation #18) » Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:29 am

tubby216 wrote:
populartajo wrote:
tubby216 wrote:
dramonic wrote:
Snow_Bunny wrote:
Well, just an advice for those who want to vig me. If there's going to be any vigging for me, at least do it during the day, when it's untraceable.
Do you seriously mean that???

so seriously answer this.

since just a few pages ago you were callin for investigative roles to look at you when they can be tracked, but omg don't kill me at nite cause you'll get tracked??

Tubby, explain to me how is this a reason to call someone scum. Because Im clearly not seeing it.
really?? sseriously i am still drunk from my birthday and see it.

why is it better for cops to look at snow at nite than it is for a vig to kill her?

first snow states its better for the cops to look at her to comfirm sanity.

then snow states for vig's not to kill her at nite so they won't get tracked /watched.

if snow was town snow would want to be watched/tracked and vig'd all in one nite that way the cops can comfirm vig's

being town is not a two way street you either are you aren't.

And snow is not and needs lynched,

1) for trying to direct pro town powerroles
2) consistant appeal to emotion
3) for haveing nothing to offer on anybody else.

so lets lynch snow and move on please!!!!

Fist, Bunny said that cops could test her sanity on her. I already said this is a terrible silly idea. But its not scummy. What kind of retarded cop would target her to test her sanity?

Second, when Bunny is being called on this, her normal reaction would be to realize his proposition is dumb. If the assumption is that she was scum because she was telling cops to target her so that a mafia watcher can catch them, then why the hell is telling vigs to kill her at day?

I mean, tell me what is the scum motivation on her proposals? Why can't she be a miller playing poorly?

Also I dont get this: "if snow was town snow would want to be watched/tracked and vig'd all in one nite that way the cops can comfirm vig's "

Appeal to emotions are not scumtells. And you freaking now it tubby, you, I and many others have appealed to emotion as town tons of times. And if we are talking about offering things then I think you can make a case against 50% of the peopke here.

populartajo · Post Post #718 (isolation #19) » Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:31 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
populartajo wrote:Based on current evidence on thread, Ill say she is very likely town. Tell me why you disagree.
I AGREE with you. I think you KNOW. Because you are of the informed minority. So I'm taking your information at face value.

populartajo wrote:Do you at least now why Socio and alvinz are voting Snow instead of first calling out on my normal play?
I didn't double check, why, does it make a difference?

These are answers to my questions how?

populartajo · Post Post #719 (isolation #20) » Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:49 am

I once again isolated Bunny and there are some thing that dont make sense coming from a calculatiing scum fakeclaiming miller and do make a lot of sense from a first time miller.

Snow_Bunny wrote:Ok, after some thoughts, I decided to do it. Claim: I'm a miller. I was hesitant to do it, as I have no apparent reason to claim, but I do. I've learned that millers can help investigative roles by providing a "safe" test. And it's better if I claim early on.

(Something tells me that I'll probably end up lynched, but still, I must do what I think it's best for town.)

However, there is something that caught my attention.

Bunny, based on the sample pm:

Name: The Mod
Power Type: Active, Passive, Special, or...???
Alignment: With the Council, With the Converters, or….????
Flavor: Blah blah blah, I’m a dirty tramp
Power: Kick Ass
Win Condition: “You win when all who oppose The Council are eliminated.”, “You win when there is no way for the followers of the Council can win.”, or….???

Are you saying that your millerness is exposed in your flavor and not in your power? So you concluded you were a miller from your flavor?

populartajo · Post Post #753 (isolation #21) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:47 am

Waiting for Bunny before I can make up my mind.

Unvote Vote : Alvinz.

populartajo · Post Post #754 (isolation #22) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:49 am

Also I want to know why people are exactly voting Bunny and Stark. One-two lines would be enough.

Snow_Bunny -4 (tubby216, Kublai Khan, alvins95, Cass)
stark -4 (Sajin, KaleiÐoscøpe, Vaya, VP Baltar)

populartajo · Post Post #758 (isolation #23) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:39 am

Kmd4390 wrote:Oh. Forget my question about Alvinz. I just looked at him in ISO. He's a better lynch than either Snow or Stark.

Why are you voting Benmage?

Also I thought you didnt believe in slips, care to clarify?

populartajo · Post Post #759 (isolation #24) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:40 am

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote="populartajo"]Also I want to know why people are exactly voting Bunny and Stark. One-two lines would be enough.

Snow_Bunny -4 (tubby216, Kublai Khan, alvins95, Cass)
stark -4 (Sajin, KaleiÐoscøpe, Vaya, VP Baltar)[/quote]He's scum
srsly[/quote]
yh bt why s h scm?

populartajo · Post Post #856 (isolation #25) » Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:03 am

Without having reread what I missed, Im very very tempted to vote KMD. Basic things I dislike are his weird Benmage hate (I basically got the opposite conclusion of his reaction). His contrived "Sajin is not playing to his meta" case. And his push for slips even thought he thinks they are uncommon as hell.

Catchup post tonight.

populartajo · Post Post #1068 (isolation #26) » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:21 am

Kmd4390 wrote:The first was a fakeclaim I made up. The second was a "fuck this, I'm going down, let's do it with style". Now I'm just trying to stay alive, so I've put up my real claim and am willing to do what the town wants.

Vote: KMD.

populartajo · Post Post #1073 (isolation #27) » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:31 am

VP Baltar wrote:bussing your buddy tajo?

No. Isolating him and agreeing with his lynch despite not having reread all the thread.

What gave you that impression?

populartajo · Post Post #1080 (isolation #28) » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:45 am

VP Baltar wrote:
populartajo wrote:
VP Baltar wrote:bussing your buddy tajo?
No. Isolating him and agreeing with his lynch despite not having reread all the thread.

What gave you that impression?
The fact that you said pretty much nothing all game and then when Kmd is on the ropes you come in to try and finish him off as quick as possible. It's fine if you are. I like it when scum vote their own partners, but at least have the decency to confess to it.

Lol. Even I had shitty access last week and lost it totally on the weekend, I think I have said a lot more than others. You may want to check that iso powers.

Regarding kmd, his (fake)claim(s) are just the cherry on the top of the scum ice cream play he has had all the game. My iso 25 hopefully will discard your "comes in to try and finish him off as quick as possible." theory.

populartajo · Post Post #1081 (isolation #29) » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:46 am

Kmd4390 wrote:Tajo, have you read my last few posts? I can act as a protown namecop and catch anyone fakeclaiming. While I'm alive, scum have to claim actual rolenames. No "er" is probably scum. If I get the SK, I know right away whether they claim or not.

Why should I believe you this time?

populartajo · Post Post #1086 (isolation #30) » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:52 am

Kmd4390 wrote:
populartajo wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:Tajo, have you read my last few posts? I can act as a protown namecop and catch anyone fakeclaiming. While I'm alive, scum have to claim actual rolenames. No "er" is probably scum. If I get the SK, I know right away whether they claim or not.
Why should I believe you this time?
You'll believe me when I have a rolename for you tomorrow and that person:
A)Comes in and says "Yep, that's me"
B)Lies, gets lynched, and flips what I said they would.

KMD, I want a full claim again, flavor, power and name. I dont want to iso you and tell apart what is true and what is not or what you forgot and what you didnt.

populartajo · Post Post #1087 (isolation #31) » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:56 am

VP Baltar wrote:
poptajo wrote:Regarding kmd, his (fake)claim(s) are just the cherry on the top of the scum ice cream play he has had all the game. My iso 25 hopefully will discard your "comes in to try and finish him off as quick as possible." theory.
Why didn't you vote him in that post if you were so certain he was scum?

Do you feel you were making original points against him in iso 25?

I was planning to vote him after my catchup post.

And yeah, iso 25 is pretty much accusations generated by me.

populartajo · Post Post #1090 (isolation #32) » Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:05 am

Kmd4390 wrote:Heh, Tajo's points against me in the post VP points out all attack genuine scumhinting.

Tajo. I am the rats. Special power type thing (as in not active/passive). Self-aligned. Flavor is that I lived in the sewers, was Sajin's slave, came up and saw a couple of murders blahblah that stuff. Power is that I know the SK's rolename and can investiage a player at night to get a rolename result. Win condition is I win when Sajin is lynched and I am on the lynch OR Sajin dies and I'm not on the lynch or he's killed another way and the SK dies, regardless of how it happens. When I achieve my win condition, I am removed from the game.

1. Has Sajin confirmed you are telling the truth?
2. What are your thoughts of lynching a claimed third party player that has admitted fakeclaiming?
3. I dont understand your win condition. How can you win if Sajin dies and you are not on the lynch?

populartajo · Post Post #1114 (isolation #33) » Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:21 am

Kmd, you are lying. I know you are an intelligent guy. You say you are the Rats. You say Sajin is your master. Then, why didnt you assume Sajin was the Rodent Tamer when it was the obvious thing to do? Also how does your flavor explain the Rodent Tamer is the SK?

Also what is the idea behind revealing a double voter?

populartajo · Post Post #1123 (isolation #34) » Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:32 am

Ok, Kmd needs to die.

Regarding Rosso. To be honest, I thought double voters are generally protown roles for endgame reasons.

But what is the basis for thinking Rosso is a double voter? What is the benefit on revealing that if he is?

populartajo · Post Post #3776 (isolation #35) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:48 am

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

A DRAW? SERIOSULY? A DRAW?

populartajo · Post Post #3777 (isolation #36) » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:50 am

First, BM I hate you for killing me.

Second, good job from the heavy weights, baltar, fluff, spyrex, sajin, etc. Remember kiddies, Lllamafluff ultimate scumtell is surviving more than day 2.

Third, awesome modding and even if it was swingy, I enjoyed the game, ckd. I really wanted to revive in thread.

Good game all.