The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

[Kise]

Check out ma' avy now, KMD!

FoS: Milkshake

for coming up guilty during my pre-game investigation.

Hey, guys, I'm the Jester-Vigilante. Optimal play here is to lynch me D1 before I take my own life in the night and win before the rest of you. Trust me, I'm the kind of Jester that won't win when strung up, so vote away.

[Kise]

Sound like a plan?

No. Lynch me. That's a plan. ^__^

Kise, joke wasn't actually that amusing.

What good is a jester if he can't amuse a crowd??

The only interesting bit is that you FOS milkshake on basis of your 'investigation' and don't vote - why not, pray?

I don't pray. You pray to me.

Spy, you think the jester claim was serious?

What about the investigation claim?

Vaya, why Jordan and not Kise if you were just wagoning?

Because he's the Jester-Janitor. Us Jesters roll in packs.

Sigh. I need to hear from Kise b4 i mkae a valid post.

Still: obv he wants us to kill him. Why do it for him?

Is it that I want to be killed, or do you want to kill me?

What is it you want to hear from me? Confirmation on what I said in my 1st post? I'm just... bringing in the ChristMastin spirit, is all. I wanted attention. I got it.

And I'm not a martyr. Do I look middle-eastern to you??

[Kise]

Hey, guys, I'm the Jester-Vigilante. Optimal play here is to lynch me D1 before I take my own life in the night and win before the rest of you. Trust me, I'm the kind of Jester that won't win when strung up, so vote away.

Let's assume this is true. Why the heck would you reveal it?

You know what they say when you 'assume'

today was not a good RVS

What would make it good?

People not being serious and instead extending RVS.

Come on, deadline is in a month! Let's have fun. I haven't played with most of ya, so let's get to know each other.

My name is Kise. I'm a Japanese jackass. I lay in a bed with dramonic every night and we occasionally invite Starbuck for sleepovers. Battle Mage & myself recently avoided contacting chlamydia from Kelly Chen. I have witness mods obliterate both Benmage & tubby before my very eyes. Spyrex enjoys bludgeoning KMD & myself. Khan is a good liar, so don't believe anything he says. VP Baltar has the shadiest avatars of all time. If Sajin actively scumhunts ITT, then it is best to believe he is town. DGB secretly has a crush on me, but what she doesn't know is Vaya has the hots for her. Snow Bunny used to help me pedal drugs across state lines. Porkens is an evil genius, and everyone should have their eyes on him; for he WILL plot. Tajo won't make it past D3 (if town). If stark begins to interrogate you relentlessly, he's not a Lie Detector, just curious. And DeathNote should be investigated ASAP because he's always hard to read -- meta is no good on him.

Love you guys.

[Kise]

Only because you cheat on me with Haylen. Hetero!

[Kise]

We are out of the RVS and now beginning Day 1 thinking.

Well that sucks... I hate having to be serious.

I think this thread will move as fast as Phables' last game, if not faster.

Ben, you were obvtown and a pretty good player in Yaw's game. Please don't go back to your old ways here.

Coaching.. interesting..

Vote Benmage

Nevermind....?

Kise may have a suicide-y martyr problem.

Not suicidal, but I am fascinated with death. To be honest, I'd like to be roleblocked tonight. KEEP ME FROM HARMING MYSELF.

If you think that you or a loved one might be suffering from HDS, consult your doctor. He or she may perscribe that you slap yourself in the face. If problems persist, repeat the measure until you can look at a post that is obviously not serious, and not launch into a baseless rant.

Heheh, did I catch any scum in my fishnet?

A dayvig has to be outed eventually.

By now you know, I'm always town.

or SK

Or neutral-survivor.

Ok, after some thoughts, I decided to do it. Claim: I'm a miller. I was hesitant to do it, as I have no apparent reason to claim, but I do. I've learned that millers can help investigative roles by providing a "safe" test. And it's better if I claim early on.

That's weird... I used the 2nd of my 3-shot investigation skills on you and I got an innocent result back. Why are you lying? Trying not to be tracked, I take it.

Kmd better get here soon to explain his behaviour.

RVS may be on life support, but he's using a good tactic to get anti-town biting on the end of his hook. Has he reeled Ben in? I can't say for now... I do admit to laughing at the responses though.

(Pshh... hard to read. Whatever, I am so not scum.)

You don't want to welcome an investigation?

Kise - why no love?

I went through a list of players I've... well, played with. Both on the boards and in the bed

Have we slee- *ahem* Have we played together before?

hm...so i really do have to think.

I'm not hooking your brain up for you, dude.

No idea why I thought Jordan was a female... anyhow, that concludes my random thoughts for the night. I'll get serious if the plug has been pulled on RVS..

[Kise]

I'm jailbait (and I'm already Lovers with Kmd).

I could lose my badge messing with you... shoo! Shoo!

Kise, I'm completely lost through your claim. What are you, a suicidal 3-shot cop?

Also, if your investigations are true and not another weird trick of yours, then we can presume you're insane.

@Khan - How am I racist?

@Spyrex -

@DeathNote -
If you're Council, then you should know you're town because you don't have a mafia-quicktopic.

Unvote: ..... wait, I haven't voted yet.

Vote: DeathNote

So after 17.5 hours & 9 pages, I'd say a quicklynch is acceptable.

Also, I still want to be roleblocked tonight.

[Kise]

Happy birthday, BM.

I'll read the rest of this shyt tomorrow.

[Kise]

When you sequence it that way, Spy, I could see how DN made an honest mistake. Should've asked the mod for clarification though.

Unvote

Also, it's in the opening post. You should know the difference between council & converters by now. Either way, Spyrex shows how DN implies being council.

Still gotta read from page 9 and upward.

[Kise]

Still gotta read from page 9 and upward.

Meaning I didn't see vollkan's post.

[Kise]

Even though I need to see new developments, I'll give you my case on Jordan. The man speculated on my role & reason for wanting to be killed. Most of his earlier posts show how bloodthirsty he is to get me lynched, despite my joke about being Jester.

[Kise]

And don't play the newb card here. If he knows about the Martyr role, he should know how to play the game well enough.

[Kise]

Tracked.







OH, you weren't asking me.

[Kise]

Dagonit, Spy! I've already voted once in this game.

[Kise]

Only the buddy of a miller-claiming-scumbag? Well, sheeyit, if that isn't reaching, I don't know what is.








SB and I are from opposing factions, TYVM.

[Kise]

{Off-Topic}
Why won't you upload an avatar?

[Kise]

Wow.. I missed the bomb/vengeful townie claim.

I've only got about 30 minutes to catch up, so don't expect a big post.

[Kise]

Hmm... If we get useful softclaims from all of Jordan's potential targets, I suggest bombing Snow Bunny (no hard feelings).

[Kise]

Goodie.

@Sajin, Plum & Spyrex - Not being sarcastic. Jordan was having targets lined up for him, and my spider-sense informed me that this would lead to panicky-softclaiming. In addition to DN saying he needs to live at least one night, I entertained myself with the idea that other possible victims of Jordan's hug would feel the need to explain why they're not the best choice to be bombed via softclaiming.

Anywho, no need for that. Later, DN.

[Kise]

@Plum - It's not that I would want it. KMD posted a big list of people he was okay with being hugged. I happened to be on that list, so my mind went into a "WWYD?" mode. If I was heavily looked at to be hugged, then yeah, I'd have softclaimed.

[Kise]

Lol @ Sajin not playing to his town meta.

[Kise]

Jesus?

[Kise]

WTF?

Anyway, today IS the day I go over pages 11+. If we enter the night, please do not kill me because it takes hours upon hours of reading to catch up. If you kill me, I will find out who done it during the endgame, and I will harass you with links to meatspin-dot-com.

[Kise]

Hey, guys, I'm the Jester-Vigilante. Optimal play here is to lynch me D1 before I take my own life in the night and win before the rest of you. Trust me, I'm the kind of Jester that won't win when strung up, so vote away.

Let's assume this is true. Why the heck would you reveal it?

If it were true, I wouldn't reveal it. Stop with the pseudo-scumhunting.

Yeah, Kise, what Plum said. She's my jailbait

scum lover

, so back off. XD

Hmm.. Looks like another one of your endgame-breadcrumbs.

Why is Sajin scum again?

Not playing to his town meta.

Heh, someone else noticed.... How long do you have to keep that avatar?

Sajin is usually more balls to the wall protown questioning and stuff. Here, the best he's done is call slip on a reaction to a slip. I'm just not seeing the Sajin I'm used to. There are still better lynches than him today though, so I'm not going to push this too far right now.

That's the meta on him? I always define Sajin [when town] as someone who doesn't jump to bold conclusions. He's proven himself to be a risk-taker, via our last game together, but making relentless convictions? Not in my eyes. Maybe he was being lazy cop last game..

I'll forget the meta regards for the time being. Sajin's supposed "meta" is conflicting between myself and others, so it's obviously a matter of opinion and not actual meta.

DeathNote isn't obvscum, he's obv3rdparty.

How so (what makes you think this)?

I'm sorry, but I didn't post that. But I'm guessing you meant the accusation I did to Kise about he knowing there was a mafia QT, which, btw, everybody ignored... T_T

Let's be logical about it.. this is a large game. How would scum night talk without QT? PM each other? I can only imagine the size of mafia in a game this big, and PM'ing would be too hectic for them. Again, logically the mafia would be given a QT.

It's no good to direct the town power roles.

Don't direct power roles?!? Isn't that exactly what she's been trying to do since she claimed?

I'm just saying, if any investigative role wants to test out their alignment, then investigate me.

Investigate, but don't vig. Little too much of a survive-at-all-cost mentality for me. Not town.

Nice catch with the contradiction. But, realistically, who

wouldn't

try to avoid being killed(?) At some point, you've got to sympathize with (real) millers. They don't choose their role. They know it's protocol to claim miller asap. They signed up for the game expecting to play, have fun, whatever, like everyone else.

I'm steering clear of this miller madness for the moment. She can be judged on playstyle for all I'm concerned. Like I said, if SB is a lying scumbag, she'll have to fear the Tracker from this point on.

Knowing all this, I doubt any cop in their right mind would investigate SB tonight

I'd hit it.

If I were daycop, that is. Less chance of blockers/watchers/the gov'ment.

You could be a mafia PGO for all we know.

Grab me a Snickers bar while you're reaching that far out. Please? Thanks.

Kise is scum bailing the wagon.

You thought I was DN's scumbuddy? XD

Also, meta-wise, VP Baltar is likely to be town.
Vaya is very scummy

How so for both of these players?

Also BM, strop triple posting.

Hypocrite

As of page 17,

IGMEO:

Sajin
VP Baltar (aggressive, merciless posting, but none of it reads as heartfelt)
Kublai Khan (too convicting, and at a very early time in the game)
Milk (I'm unfamiliar with you, but there's too little of input for me to think you're trying to help town)
cicero (similar to Milk, except you so far have only commented on one little miller issue, rather than the other vast topics of discussion)

Still reading. Hopefully night hits soon so you all can shut the hell up. Post 406 by Llama turned me on. I never make a town list, but I like what I'm seeing from him so far.

Post 421 by KMD is also good logic. If Snow Bunny & Snow White are the same player, then I can make a good assessment of her in regards to likely-alignment.

And for the questions I asked, I will be following up, but feel free to question back.

[Kise]

Won't be the last weird write-up scene, I guarantee it. Or your money back.

For some reason I thought tajo slit his own throat, but now I see it just says 'throat slit'. Pretty coincidental that the Rat is lynched, then the Tamer is killed the same night.

[Kise]

^Kise, BTW

[Kise]

And this whole time I thought it was my 6th sense.

[Kise]

For the sake of not WIFOM'ing, I didn't want to mention it but I know of an ability called Eject where if used on your target, it will render them voteless/all-immune for that phase. If that's not what happened to Spyrex, then it could be an effect similar to poison where, if not cured/healed before the end of the next phase, he will surely die.

[Preview-Edit]
(I see Spyrex's vote towards SB counts, so disregard the eject theory.)

Lastly, if any of what has been said sounds familiar with anyone's role, ie if there is a healer that wants to resuscitate Spyrex, then you know the deal.

Looks like SB came up with an excuse just in case she's tracked..

[Kise]

I'm convinced milkshake & SB are scum.

[Kise]

See.. now if I told you why, then you couldn't make the same mistake in the next game we play where you're mafia. If I decide to vote you today, you will discover why.

Until then... speculate...

[Kise]

Now that's just silly. Anyway, I thought you and me were pals. I even targetted you with my (apparently mostly useless) ability. Did you notice anything?

You stopped me from killing myself, eh?

[Kise]

@SC - I'm dying (pun intended ) to see my role take effect. Hopefully I'm around for the day massclaim comes... it

always

comes.

[Kise]

You stopped me from killing myself, eh?

Is this more of your jester-vigilante-cop antics? Unless your role talks about how you kill yourself because you're totally crazy, then no.

In that case, guess I don't know what you did to me in the night... better not have put bugs in my bed.

@My dearest Snow Bunny - Now seems like as good a time as ever to specify that 1-shot.

[Kise]

I'm flaking again.. sorry..

V/LA until Saturday

Promised a group in my New York game that I'd read up in that thread today, and afterward I've got a class to attend (at school now). If I had a queue list, this would be next priority after the NY game. I'll post Saturday.

[Kise]

12.) Benmage: Scum

Works for me.

I think with the Scribe writing to VP and insinuating that Benmage was a lynchee of sorts pretty much means he tried to save his partner's hide.

-KK, The Scribe, Scum, also dies. He (?) alledgedly writes a note saying that kmd wants to lynch benmage.

(Unfortunately I don't think this reflects at all on benmage.)

Can you clarify this? Looks like you're saying regardless of the fact KK picked Benmage of all players, KK's note says little about his relation/alignment with Ben.

or we could all lynch milkshake and the town's common sense would be better for it....

As experimental as that is, I'm game.

[Kise]

I'm voteless, but ok.

Vote: KaleiÐoscøpe

*waits to see who's paying attention*

[Kise]

Nah I have a vote. Was waiting for the votecount to see if anyone would point out that I was lying.

BTW if I get nightkilled, lynch the person that becomes voteless that next day.

[Kise]

@ SpyreX

I know when dramonic is playing as scum. This is not one of those games. I'm willing to bet my cat's virginity on it.

[Kise]

My cat is a born-again virgin. I made sure divinity put a padlock on the pussy cat. But I digress. This isn't furries, this is flurries [and death].

I honestly would have been on the Ben wagon sooner if he didn't clarify that he wasn't serious with the VT claim. Maybe I missed it, Spy, but what makes Ben town if KS is mafia?

[Kise]

Means she fell asleep.

[Kise]

Dayum, Plum. Even I caught the fact that Benmage didn't settle for the VT claim.

[Kise]

That's because Gargamel's cat caught him.

[Kise]

Limited Access until Tuesday

Any note-claims?

[Kise]

@Elmo - Did you secretly vote for Kscope yesterday? I ask to see if Spyrex was able to vote or not.

[Kise]

I can't confirm, no. Only thing I can confirm is that the voteless player = my killer, if I die via day/night kill.

Although I have woken up these past 2 mornings and got the feeling that someone has been spooning with me.. from behind

[Kise]

Ohhai. Rereading last night was enlightening.

I need

everyone's

views on dramonic plz.

TIA

Still

not

playing to his scum meta.

[Kise]

Well she claimed to have targeted me the 1st night, and maybe even last night. I'm still alive and kicking, so anything else she could have done is harmless as far as I'm concerned.

Can you reveal why you believe she's the hanger right now, or does this require fishing?

[Kise]

My ability is automatic, NOT manual, meaning I don't have to PM the mod every phase to submit an action. I do not have any sanity variations to my role name, and I am not psycho in any way. Don't bother "saning" me because it's not needed.

So who's the lynch?

[Kise]

So nobody got a note?

Vote: Benmage

KK was spreading propaganda then.

[Kise]

@Benmage - Thing is, I have reason to believe KK, The Scribe, wrote that note to VP the other night claiming that KMD(right?) would win if you're lynched. Now if you're town, why the heck would The Scribe go to quasiprotective lengths for your safety? And besides, wouldn't a false message (note-writer) be better suited for mafia to have and spread their lies? I don't think it was innocent fun. I think he was trying to illustrate you as an unlikely lynch candidate because you're his partner.

[Kise]

I still want to lynch Benmage. He's #1. I'll see about two more after reading up.

[Kise]

Anti-prod post. I haven't had the chance to read up for about a week.5 I think, so an updated top 3 will have to wait. I guess for now though you can iso my posts and see who I've suspected previously. Later.

Love, Kise.

[Kise]

re:Kise's note theory-I think that is a bit of a stretch...though the death of Volkan isn't entirely lost on me.

Wow.. you've got a

'good memory'

to recall their argument. I had to iso volkan just to know exactly what you were referencing. Hmmmm...

post

Ok... Thanks to this post, my suspect list is: Benmage, chamber, milkshake, Snow Bunny, Sajin and tubby (in that order). Milk claims to be psychiatrist or Sane Modifier (I need clarification). Personally, if I was an SK and had knowledge of a curer, I'd jump on claiming in a heartbeat. It's much harder to win as SK so I'd defo convert to being town. Thing is, the claim kind of smells like boo-boo, so I'm still keeping her on my suspect list -- she's been there for a while... wait, milk is a she, right?

I cant believe your #1 read is that scribe thing....play better

It's brilliant. KK had no reason to protect you from being lynched unless you're his buddy. I am a bit worried VP doesn't see this though.

[Kise]

Still baffled at you....KK clearly didn't protect me saying I should be lynch to fulfill KmD's WC...how the fuck is that at all protecting me???

He didn't recommend that you be lynched. He wrote a note saying KMD would win the game > town if you were ever lynched. So it's protective in the sense that it attempts to scare everyone into NOT voting you. Why would KK go to these lengths for your benefit?

KmD said the one he needs to kill is the SK...

Don't matter what KMD said, if that's even what he typed. KK tried to use a smoke and mirrors tactic (for what?) and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't just write a bunch of bullshit. What good would it do him to merely confuse town, when he should put those notes to use by assisting his mafia? And by assisting his mafia, I mean trying to protect you from being lynched.

puhhleeeeassse elaborate more Kise...and not in 5 days.

30 minutes, in yo face!

[Kise]

I wouldn't believe a word a lyncher tells me, Ben.

Mod PMed me back- The giver is indeed a male.

Mod Note: The mod might or might not have problems with The Giver's gender. The Giver should be a female. The Mod might or might not have described the Giver has a male/female in PMs. Bottom line: The Giver's sex is purely flavor.

You should have kept with the PM-typo excuse.

Ho shit, son!

Now I'm conflicted. Sajin is obviously lying (lol blown gambit) Dramonic is scum though. What to do what to do.

Vote him.

And Kise

I liked the 30 minute response..but now you've disappeared again.

Thanks for bolding this; as if I wouldn't have caught it otherwise I'm lurking everywhere. My PPD used to be 14 -- I was #2 every month, right beneath zwet. School has gotten the best of me.

So Kise, Sajin was on your suspect list - how do you feel now?

Same. He hasn't been playing town at all in my eyes. Him or chamber for today's lynch. I say him.

Unvote; Vote: Sajin

[Kise]

Now that I check, my PPD is still pretty decent! I bet KMD is #2 now though.

[Kise]

OK.

[Kise]

If Sajin actively scumhunts ITT, then it is best to believe he is town.

Lol @ Sajin not playing to his town meta.

Why is Sajin scum again?

Not playing to his town meta.

Heh, someone else noticed

Sajin is usually more balls to the wall protown questioning and stuff. Here, the best he's done is call slip on a reaction to a slip. I'm just not seeing the Sajin I'm used to. There are still better lynches than him today though, so I'm not going to push this too far right now.

That's the meta on him? I always define Sajin [when town] as someone who doesn't jump to bold conclusions. He's proven himself to be a risk-taker, via our last game together, but making relentless convictions? Not in my eyes. Maybe he was being lazy cop last game..

IGMEO:

Sajin

Regardless of alignment, maybe you did PM the mod about The Giver's gender. "Mod, my role PM says I killed him, but the opening post says her. Did my faction kill a man or woman?"

See what I mean?

[Kise]

Honestly, I'm more game for chamber, but you've got more votes on you. If you're town, I do admit you're useful as hell. Right now I'm not seeing it though.

[Kise]

Yeah, touch chamber. We'll lynch him tomorrow to see what his alignment is.

Unvote

My vote was L-1. Didn't notice.

[Kise]

Regarding Passive vs. Active

Has anyone else claimed a Passive ability?

Passive sounds like an automatic ability, i.e. immunity, bomb, hated townie/beloved princess, L-#/L+# threshold etc. Active seems more like manual actions that have to be submitted to the mod. Special (I will attest to this) is something that takes effect only under certain conditions. I would guess the question marks belong to secret roles that the mod wanted to keep from public knowledge; recruiters, lyncher, jester or other roles like that. Sajin's role sounds ambiguous enough to classify as either active or the question marks. His role doesn't appear useful, especially with Benmage not being effected by it.

[Kise]

Wait a minute mothafugga..

Plum's post-Iso 92

Scum now know that they can block me, but if my partner stays secret that player can perform the action instead with less risk of getting blocked (and yes, there was a good reason that even though I was exposed yesterday we decided that I should took the action; but keeping my partner secret may still be beneficial for the reason listed above in the future).

Vaya confirmed later I believe. They also claimed they BOTH receive the result.

Someone help refresh my memory (because I know at least one of you keep notes on things). Alright, can Plum & Vaya choose which one of them submits the action, or do only one of them have that privilege? If it's the latter, then they don't look so good.

[Kise]

Serial, are you saying you're confused at what VP's role does and are waiting to test it out?

[Kise]

And for refreshment's sake, would your targets regain their abilities, Serial? (I know you targeted DGB, Spy, but that's not revealing much)

[Kise]

So chamber is cool?

o_o

[Kise]

Sajin, I've already mentioned what my role does. Google me.

[Kise]

Let me park this.

Vote: tubby216

[Kise]

I am The Ghost, Special Type, With The Council. When killed, I haunt my killer by possessing their vote the very next day. If lynched, I haunt the player that makes the lynching vote.

[Kise]

@VP - I don't get told who they are. They're voteless, and I get to move around their vote while dead.

@Uncle Ben - the tubby vote wasn't random

[Kise]

Are you looking for a voteless player?

[Kise]

Didn't know you wanted flavor as well. I am an old fart -- the oldest person among both the city and within Council. Respect your elders, milk.

[Kise]

I'm the oldest in the Council as well as the city. Back in my younger times, ANYBODY could be born right next to the Goma, as I recall it. I have an understanding of the Converters since I don't like the way things are in our city, but I don't approve of their ways to get things done. I used to ignore what they'd do and turn my cheek, but the death of The Giver was the last straw. They're going down.

I see what you're doing, milk.

[Kise]

You know you're getting lynched before this game is over, right? No one has any insanity problems, so your role don't mix like two dix.

[Kise]

Milkshake, are you supposed to be able to cure the serial killer/psychopath?

[Kise]

I think the fact that Ben has been

looking

for someone with an altered vote lends his role credibility. Now whether this sounds like a good guy role... hmph. A badass politician that is feared and doesn't care about The Giver dying... but he's a pansy? AND he boils people?

Don't mix like 8===|) (|===8

[Kise]

I am The

Younger

. I was born with the ability to speak telepathically with my

twin

brother The

Elder

.

8====D =/= 8====D

I hear The Elder's voice. Working with him, we may be able to get through this together, though

I don't know for sure where his allegiance lies.

[Kise]

Lmao @ 16-player massclaim. This has got to be a first.

[Kise]

What theory?

[Kise]

Unvote

.... you feel that?

[Kise]

.... you feel that?

?

[Kise]

So milky wilky, looks like Sajin wasn't psycho. How long do you think you can keep this up?

[Kise]

He knew him.... He knew him, lol.

[Kise]

V/LA until Sunday afternoon

Vote: Battle Mage

o_o

[Kise]

I gave the Sandy potion to Plum.

Isn't that the 2nd dead person you targeted, same night they got whacked? Or was that Bunny....?

[Kise]

No need to prod. I'm behind by like 2 pages... but I'm fine with Battle's lynch.

[Kise]

Has the doublevotes ever appeared in the write-up?

[Kise]

Guess not.

Vote: Elmo

, although I love that red fuzzy ball of joy.

[Kise]

This is the first time you've mentioned my name since September. I'm curious to know the inspiration behind such a sudden case.

[Kise]

Have a cupcake while you read.

Wayyyy back during the whole day bomb thing, we had a few odd things from Kise

Hmm... If we get useful softclaims from all of Jordan's potential targets, I suggest bombing Snow Bunny (no hard feelings).

Him trying to pull out multiple claims D1 fairly subtely. Later he confirms that this was a serious suggestion, as DN had softclaimed saying he had a night, not day action.

Can't blame me for trying to prevent Jordan from hastily killing people, as he ended up doing anyway. How else would people convince a trigger happy mofo not to kill them other than softclaims? He felt the need to make a decision quick (I believe he was close to being lynched) and he didn't have all the time in the world to simply study comments to assess who he thought most likely to be scum. I'm pretty sure I explained this.

Kise really isnt being productive either. He called Jordan scum early without a case

Scum, or scummy? Better yet, I don't see either, but here is the case:

Even though I need to see new developments, I'll give you my case on Jordan. The man speculated on my role & reason for wanting to be killed. Most of his earlier posts show how bloodthirsty he is to get me lynched, despite my joke about being Jester.

Later he does make a LoS though, and we have...

Scum on Sajin (meta), VPB (agressive), KK (agressive), milk (active lurking?), cicero (only talking about miller thing).

This just is wierd. Its this first mention of almost all these people as suspects.

You forgot to tell the nice folks that this was in my catch-up post. Careful how you make me look, Scar.

Starting D2, he now is sure that SB and milk are scum. Too bad we dont get a case on either of them.

Click those iso'd post so you can see what it is I'm commenting on.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 33#1908033

It wasn't confirmed that Spyrex gave SB the 1-shot cop potion, so I laughed about it and said ^ what you'll find in the above post. Then here comes milk with these scenarios that make SB more townie if she lets the others direct who she targets for the investigation. That whole post, milk is coming up with ways for SB to prove herself, and I didn't like it. In my mind, if you let someone direct their ability, what's to stop "outside forces" from roleblocking SB or having her target killed conveniently? Like I said, Llama, if you click these iso post, you'll be placed into the positions that evoked my comments. You can't judge me by iso because that's only viewing the output.

Seems that SB is for not saying what the one shot, milk im assuming for not talking about the miller thing much.

No, and no... just ask me. Or read my above post.

Later he defends dram on meta

The games he's town, I've known him to be active when questioning others. If he's scum, he'd usually just stand back and let the world tear itself down while nitpicking here and there. I'm only saying what I perceived as his meta now because it's proven inefficient.

[Kise]

I'm dying (pun intended ) to see my role take effect.

Nightkill me.

[Kise]

How is asking for softclaims preventing him from killing people?

I just told you why/how. So I ask again, how else do you stop a trigger happy mofo from killing you without softclaiming the usefulness of your role?

If you are encouraging softclaiming, I dont really get how him speculating on roles is a bad thing.

FFS, click the post you just iso'd. It's easy not to understand what happened months ago, so just read how everything went down. I'm really not appreciating this rigidness from you. In a nutshell, my first posts ITT were jokes about being a jester that wins the game if nightkilled, plus I had the ability to kill at night. Twas a joke, but Jordan (and milk) believed it while pretty much everyone else knew I was only kidding around. Also in my first post, I said that if they wanted to prevent me from winning, they should lynch me right away. Jordan and milk continued searching for reasons why I should be lynched, which was shamelessly not limited to speculating on whether I could be lying and was really a townie that needed to die in order to enable something beneficial to the town. It was crazy. So, yeah. You might be best served if you just read the first few pages after I did the jester claim.

You still cant makes baseless accusations on weak reasoning. Why is agressive scummy? Why did you stop pushing Sajin? Also im the good guy, even if it takes a while to realize it.

I didn't vote for each of them. You should know it means to finger people with your suspicion. That's all it was. And, about Sajin, I'm not going to hound the guy every chance I get. I've had people ask me flat out if I was a Lyncher in previous games where I pester someone to death. So, no thanks. And I didn't stop pushing anything. Not long ago I had words for Sajin. By the way, Kublai should be enough proof of why aggression is found scummy. He was manufacturing a rage-like presence and I caught on -- called me a racist . It's just little extra BS, like trying to convey frustration, that makes suspect people's aggressiveness.

So milk was scum for trying to figure out a plan to clear someone as town?

Milk was scum for giving her scum buddy tips. It's a no brainer that milk isn't scum at this point, though.

You never really pushed for either of their lynches though more then this. SB was even close to a lynch and you really didnt seem convinced enough to go along with that wagon.

I'm not a bandwagoner, that's why. If I didn't care for the case on him, then I don't care for it. Seems to me like you're saying just because SB was close to being lynched, I should have hopped on it for the hell of it(?).

Also are you trying to use your role to defend yourself? I already said im confident enough in my read here to hammer you, you going to flip scum/SK, the question is will I have my vote docked the next day.

No. I'm trying to hint that it's in anti-town's best interest to have me lynched instead of kill me off so that they can't get caught easily. I said too much about my role, but I could care less if it meant anti-town would be scared to kill me. Elmo looks more SK than scum at this point, do you agree?

[Kise]

Wait, I read that wrong. Thought you said SP.

You never really pushed for either of their lynches though more then this. SB was even close to a lynch and you really didnt seem convinced enough to go along with that wagon.

Only thing I remember is her having a huge wagon on Day 1. Is that the one? I wasn't heavily suspicious of SB then. My eyes were on Sajin, VP, KK, cicero and milk. But if this wagon was past Day 1, let me know and I'll look it up. Honestly don't remember another time when SB had a lot of votes.

[Kise]

So is your defense "This came out of nowhere"?

So milk was scum for trying to figure out a plan to clear someone as town?

So... "I pushed Sajin when he wagon became popular" and "KK was scum so agression is scummy" are you basic justifications for throwing down one word cases on half a dozen people and never really doing anything to persue any of them?

Ok so your defense is "anti-town would never want to NK me so dont lynch me?".

You know... if it weren't for the fact that these are yes/no questions, it'd be strawman.

Starting D2, he now is sure that SB and milk are scum.

He isnt even taking a strong stance for either wagon, as there is a little bit of a push for each. He ends up throwing both those down for kscope though.

What's the insinuation here? I get the feeling you're connecting me to them, so be clear.

Talk him down. You dont try and difuse a hostage situation by telling him to kill the guy standing next to you because he works in fast food and is useless

Wasn't gonna happen. He was ready to kamikaze right then and there because people had been piling votes on him.

This has nothing to do with how a mass softclaim would of done more good then harm.

Yes it does. You are not putting yourself in the same experience from months ago. You are simply reading my isolated posts. You can't view the entire street if you're only looking westward. It's confusing to simply read my iso post because I may not have quoted the person I was responding to, so you have no idea what they said that prompted me to respond as I did. It has everything to do with the massclaim.

Also still, you want people to lay down softclaims so jordan can hug bomb the one that benfits the town most.

Least would be a better choice of words, here. Or unbelievable.

When you make a joke that you are a role that benifits the town to die, what do you really expect?

I expect it to be RVS, homey. Which came waaaay earlier before Jordan decided to be a suicide bomber.

Also agression is not scummy. If you lynch all agressive players you are going to lynch a vast majority of good town players.

I didn't want to lynch them. I pointed my finger at them. And why would I want to lynch those people when I wasn't fully caught up? I was doing a PbP read through but I had not finished, so I posted my thoughts on the game from what I did manage to read. Again, the aggression shown from KK and VP caught my attention so I made note of it.

Yeah see... trying to clear people is a town tell.

Not until you flip town.

Day two SB got a big wagon on them. You said that he was scum D2, so why no vote on him ever?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 31#1908631
My next post was this: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 01#1914401

I'm really not favoring how you're trying to make me look here. I didn't put SB closer to a lynch until she spilled the beans to determine whether it was still worth voting her. My time became an issue so I had to bounce. Simple as.

Also nice little deflection on Elmo there. I think you are more scum, I think you are the right lynch, not Elmo.

So you'd never vote for elmo? (Yes, I purposely did one of your quasistrawmans there)

Point I'm getting at is that scum always try to find ways to get rid of those that jeopardize them when NK'd. Same thing happened to me when I claimed PGO in another game; scum felt disgruntled about it, later tacked votes on when the opportunity came to lynch me (

hush, Sajin

). By default, my eye is raised when a PGO-like role is desired for lynch instead. A suspicion of me suddenly springs up from out of nowhere from someone who has not mentioned me since September.

This case you have on me, as far as me "being unproductive" and having "questionable suspicions" and "failing to vote at opportune times," can this not be applied to other players currently living? I can think of 3 off the top of my head, but I'll let you answer. It's not deflection, BTW. It's compare and contrast.

[Kise]

Sorry, that was me.

[Kise]

Off rolenames alone, Elmo and stark appear most anti-town. If there is still a need to look into who's scum, Sajin, SB, chamber and Vaya also questionable when it comes to roles alone. Something tells me to believe Vaya is not a scum mason and it was simply a mindscrew placed in his and Plum's PMs to make them paranoid. Elmo is obvSK. Stark's cult cop role seems funny as well. Not only has no one flipped cult yet, but wouldn't that mean cult is about to comprise 50% of the player list if they're alive and have been recruiting since day 1?

[Kise]

Ah, crap. Forgot to tell you, Llama. I suspected milk because I thought the calming power was a lie, hence why I asked him/her on occasion how long they thought they could keep it up. In other words, thought milk was the SK trying to play off a psychiatrist-like role.

[Kise]

Bring it home, Llama.

[Kise]

I do not think anyone was calmable. I do not think the weather does anything. I do not think cult detect does anything. I do not think my unknown power does anything.

These are all effective vanilla powers in the setup. Makes a lot of sense to me.

We've got a miller, but do we have [regular] cops? Someone said PZ was cop but I never caught it when he confirmed this.

But I do support a kise lynch. When he is town he usually does not blow up in huge OMGUS arguements when attacked. Just as you said llama ignored you Kise, you ignored him until he attacked you yes?

I haven't had a problem with Llama until today. By default, a counterattack is labeled OMGUS, but Llama's attacks on me are questionable. I want an answer to my question because I'm genuinely interested in why my name was picked out the hat. As a convenient reminder, I threw my rolename out there. Questionable motives, as I said. I'm not looking at Llama as scum atm. Llama is a smart scum player, as I remember from Death Note mafia, but right now that's not what I'm thinking about.

[Kise]

This is not a new case on Elmo. It's been building for quite some time.

[Kise]

Only 1 kill done. Means non-mafia can be cleared, fellas.

[Kise]

Anyhow, I already told you that SB is the SK.

[Kise]

Only 1 kill done. Means non-mafia can be cleared, fellas.

You think we only have the SK left?

Nah, I'm saying someone was protected. In other words, this someone that didn't get their throat slit can be cleared as a non-throat slitter. But, since Llama claimed it was SP that he targeted, ah well.

stark, did you get anything last night or no?

Vote: Kise

[Kise]

Safe List:

VP, Llama and Spyrex

Sajin should be in the safelist if stark got anything.

[Kise]

Yes, self vote. If you got any better options, share with the class. Let's get the bullcrap out the way. Just observe, VP.

Llama, who else can you apply this case to? You never did answer that.

[Kise]

It's not the case, Llama.

[Kise]

Llama, why should I self-hammer? Never said I was a bomb, silly.

Unvote

Waiting on stark's answer. And... his hammer.

[Kise]

Awesome game, CKD. Dram being scum means I don't know my meta on him like I thought. Then again, he could have been hunting for rival scum (SK) so that's why I trusted him.

Sorry for lying as town, but it probably would have kept me alive via scare tactics if Llama didn't push my lynch. Figured something was up with him because his case could have been applied to more players than myself.

Happy as hell that town didn't lose like I was thinking. I almost cried when chamber died because I knew one of the anti-town sides had it in the bag, but God bless you Sajin for being NK immune.

[Kise]

No, to scare you, and see which person [likely scum] got pissy about me having a role like that. Spyrex was town to me so him saying he'd be uncomfortable with me in LyLo went ignored. Llama was neutral up until the day he suddenly had en epiphany about me.

[Kise]

Let's be honest though: No one was going to grow a set and challenge the two guys we believed were docs via lynch-proposal, yeah?