The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

[LlamaFluff]

Hi Sajin!

You apparently missed my follow up question

At this point do you think SB should be vigged N1? Why? Lynched?

[dramonic]

I'm not the one you asked, but I'm all for vigging. Lynching would be a waste of a day.

[DrippingGoofball]

DeathNote -2 (dramonic, Kmd4390)
Snow_Bunny -2 (tubby216, Kublai Khan)
tubby216 -2 (cicero, Plum)
Vaya -1 (stark)
Kmd4390 -1 (vollkan)

ONE of the above players is being bus'ed. Question is, which? Stark isn't scum and I haven't even read the game. I'm gonna put my money on vollkan bus'ing Kmd.

[Sajin]

Miller claims should not be lynched day 1 unless there are no other leads to pursue (hint, there are). If a miller claim is lynched day 1, its basically depriving everyone of a whole days worth of reads on a lynch as half the votes are based on policy.

I do not think SB should be vigged unless found scummy for other reasons. Then again I hate dealing with millers in LY/LO. I think it is far better to have them die at night then to have no reads on a wagon during the day. I never insinuated a day 1 vig.

The should be vigged comments were to all the people jumping on the wagon for policy reasons. I found that whole wagon scummy as it is a way to participate without your vote meaning anything.

So llama, what do YOU propose to do about SB?

[Kise]

Tracked.







OH, you weren't asking me.

[alvinz95]

too. much. stuff. will catch up (hopefully)

[LlamaFluff]

I do not think SB should be vigged unless found scummy for other reasons. Then again I hate dealing with millers in LY/LO. I think it is far better to have them die at night then to have no reads on a wagon during the day.

I never insinuated a day 1 vig

.

Bull

Millers are increibly uninformative lynches (because you cannot read peoples votes well as the reason for voting is policy based).

I suggest a miller claim be vigged

.

So what changed in such a short timespan? What is the difference between a day one policy lynch and a day one policy vig? Also since you seem to support it, why is SB scummy? Why DN over SB?

So llama, what do YOU propose to do about SB?

You treat the claim as a VT claim. If they are scummy, you lynch them. If they are not, you dont. Quite simple.

[SpyreX]

Not Voting: DrippingGoofball, alvins95, Rosso Carne, LlamaFluff, Snow_Bunny, Kise

You know whats awesome? Since I posted that:

Kise, Llama, DGB AND Alvinz all post.

Ohh wait, that's the antithesis of awesome.

Spyrex- Can you summarize your case on Jordan?

There's the logic bombs around the RVS that just don't make sense (look at ISO 0-7).

Combined with this the fact that the RVS business is, well, all he's talked about.

Then there is the FoS on Socio for the legitimate question about the above (without answer).

Then, there is again the no answering about the RVS logical issues when I asked.

To top it off, after asking again.. nothing.

Which, then culminates in a piggy-backed vote on Stark.

[DrippingGoofball]

Miller claims should not be lynched day 1

Wrong. Millers should always be lynched ASAP.

[DrippingGoofball]

Tracked.

Never. This is. however, a suggestion that only the buddy of a miller-claiming-scumbag would make.

[Kise]

Dagonit, Spy! I've already voted once in this game.

[Kise]

Only the buddy of a miller-claiming-scumbag? Well, sheeyit, if that isn't reaching, I don't know what is.








SB and I are from opposing factions, TYVM.

[LlamaFluff]

Not Voting: DrippingGoofball, alvins95, Rosso Carne, LlamaFluff, Snow_Bunny, Kise

You know whats awesome? Since I posted that:

Kise, Llama, DGB AND Alvinz all post.

Ohh wait, that's the antithesis of awesome.

Once tubby answers my question I will have a vote. Should be fairly obvious who is the front runner for my vote is however.

[SpyreX]

I know Kise. I want them all up - just call it a small science experiment.

[LlamaFluff]

Miller claims should not be lynched day 1

Wrong. Millers should always be lynched ASAP.

Wrong.

Here are my experiences with miller wagons

MafiaSSK -10 (

Starbuck, Llamafluff

,

populartajo magnus_orion

,

Stephoscope, MafiaSSK, Lamont_Cranston, Gorrad, kmd4390, WLC

)

All but four living scum on the wagon, two of which were being replaced. A majority of the end of the votes were purely for deadline reasons

zwet - (

hp, lixyl

,

fabian, esomonty

,

reckoner, santos

,

emptyger

,

drench

)

This one had wierd voting mechanics that continually caused VC to reset all but one scum and the SK join with the sheepish/VI town on this one

The other game I remember off the top of my head had multiple millers so is harder to quantify, although no millers got lynched.

You couple that with that I think millers should just be treated as basically a VT claim (if you think they are scum lynch, if you think they are town protect), im pretty against miller policy lynching.

[tubby216]

Not Voting: DrippingGoofball, alvins95, Rosso Carne, LlamaFluff, Snow_Bunny, Kise

You know whats awesome? Since I posted that:

Kise, Llama, DGB AND Alvinz all post.

Ohh wait, that's the antithesis of awesome.

Once tubby answers my question I will have a vote. Should be fairly obvious who is the front runner for my vote is however.

what you want links? i think i answered the other questions

[LlamaFluff]

Not Voting: DrippingGoofball, alvins95, Rosso Carne, LlamaFluff, Snow_Bunny, Kise

You know whats awesome? Since I posted that:

Kise, Llama, DGB AND Alvinz all post.

Ohh wait, that's the antithesis of awesome.

Once tubby answers my question I will have a vote. Should be fairly obvious who is the front runner for my vote is however.

what you want links? i think i answered the other questions

Yeah, I said that already. So links please

[Kmd4390]

SB and I are from opposing factions, TYVM.

You wouldn't know this if you were town. Ohhh. Sliiiiiip.

DGB, Volkan isn't bussing me. I'm town.

Llama, I'd have waited for a Snow flip before revealing that meta info. It's hard to catch scum when you tell them how you are planning to catch them.

[VP Baltar]

You know whats awesome? Since I posted that:

Kise, Llama, DGB AND Alvinz all post.

Ohh wait, that's the antithesis of awesome.

Didn't some of them catch a prod somewhere in there?

Only the buddy of a miller-claiming-scumbag? Well, sheeyit, if that isn't reaching, I don't know what is.

Said the buddy of a miller-claiming-scumbag.

[tubby216]

Not Voting: DrippingGoofball, alvins95, Rosso Carne, LlamaFluff, Snow_Bunny, Kise

You know whats awesome? Since I posted that:

Kise, Llama, DGB AND Alvinz all post.

Ohh wait, that's the antithesis of awesome.

Once tubby answers my question I will have a vote. Should be fairly obvious who is the front runner for my vote is however.

what you want links? i think i answered the other questions

Yeah, I said that already. So links please

well you are going to have to wait while i go through all of my games to find them

[DrippingGoofball]

@ LlamaFluff

You're totally missing the point. The point is that too often, I've seen scum hiding behind miller claims.

[Kmd4390]

Why are we even looking at the claim instead of just looking at Snow as a player in this game?

[LlamaFluff]

@ LlamaFluff

You're totally missing the point. The point is that too often, I've seen scum hiding behind miller claims.

So then if a claimed miller looks scummy you lynch them, if not you treat them as town... I believe some really wierd things in this game (for instance I know a few people have seen me pull wagons off people who claimed VT), but this is not that far out there.

[Kmd4390]

So then if a claimed miller looks scummy you lynch them, if not you treat them as town... I believe some really wierd things in this game (for instance I know a few people have seen me pull wagons off people who claimed VT), but this is not that far out there.

^This. I tend to usually agree with Llama on theory, and this is one of those times. If Snow is scummy, we'll lynch her. If she's not, we won't. It's really that simple.

[DrippingGoofball]

And that's why it's so easy for scum to hid behind a miller claim.