Sup.
roflcopter wrote:this shit got complicated while i was away
anyway, i'm a vanilla cop. vanillas: yos, baltar
yos i thought was scummy enough day one to check out, had he scanned non vanilla i would have been on his back day two ready to pounce at the first sign of fake vanilla claim, but instead i got the innocent confirm. baltar was an easy decision, as with his claimed vanilla i could actually use my ability like a normal cop.
I was expecting something like this, choices make sense.
iam wrote:I'm an X-shot Jailkeeper (not telling you what X is unless someone gives me a good reason why I should), and I jailed rofl on N1.
I jailed him because I believed he was scum, and no one else did, so if I was right, good chance he'd be making the scum kill and I'd block it, and if I was wrong, good chance he'd be the target of the scum kill and I'd protect him. Seemed like the best choice all around.
Fair nuff. I still dont get whats so scummy about rolf day 1, though.
iam wrote:I'm also aware that I could have been targeted by a Mafia Roleblocker on N1, and that this would have allowed rofl to get his result. However, for this to be true, you have to also believe that the scum did not decide to block rofl on N2, despite him having very obviously softclaimed an investigative role, and there being no other power roles exposed. That seems very unlikely to me.
Actually I think this isnt that unlikely. Ojanen flipping goon cop increases the probs of a roleblocker in the setup. You played a solid day 1 and I dont think all people considered rolf an investigative role. This also doesnt consider the fact that there might have been a better choice for scum. (which if Im right about this, means rolf is probably going in the wrong direction btw).
I was fearing that this was going to happen. Rolf is playing his usual town self (trust me, the guy is so easy to read as scum) but I dont think iam is scum "counterclaiming" that way. Now that I think about it, I just wish iam hadnt pressured for a claim when there wasnt a 100% 1-1. Im thinking both are town or I am horribly wrong about one of them.
iam wrote:So, yeah, I don't have 100% damning evidence that rofl is scum, if I did, I would have just gone ahead and said so without waiting for a claim from him first. If you really think that necessitates a lynch on me, then I guess go ahead, but I don't believe that what I've done here has hurt the town.
Yes it does, if both of you are town.
iam wrote:By the way, we're not lynching rofl today. It would clearly be a better idea to lynch Yos, because he is definitely scum if rofl is scum, and on the off chance that rofl is actually telling the truth, we'd be lynching a vanilla rather than a cop.
Unvote, Vote: Yosarian2
Wat? I mean, if you just assumed it would be a 1-1 with rolf, so why exactly are you voting Yos? If you lynch Yos first and he is vanilla, what information do you get about rolf other than he was right about Yos being vanilla?
I was skimming the thread to write about the best solution to this situation but Yos wins the "I agree with" award here.
Yosarian2 wrote:SerialClergyman wrote:
I personally think if there is a mafia roleblocker who happened to block IAUN N1 and not rofl N2, the game is essentially gone.
Not really.
If they are both town, and we don't lynch either one of them today, then there's a chance that one or the other would be able to confirm themselves tonight, and there's also a chance the mafia will feel the need to kill one of them tonight. It's probably not that likely that Iamusername was blocked by a scum roleblocker, though.
Also, I'm not liking the "lynch rofl and then if he's town we have two confirmed innocents" camp here. If rofl is town, then if we don't lynch him, we're likely to either get another confirmed innocent tomorrow or else force the scum to use their kill on him. If someone really thinks he's scum, then that's one thing, but you don't lynch a cop just to find out if he's telling the truth, that's insane.
Between the two of them, though, I think Iamusername is significantly scummier. His whole "let's lynch Yos first" plan really looks more like a scum move then like a town move; he lynches me, then when I come up vanilla, town wouldn't know anything more tommorow then they know now, and Iamusername is free to either go with a "rofl guessed right but he's still lying scum" gambit or else a "gee, I guess I did get roleblocked" gambit. The whole thing just feels like a carefully planned setup.
I dont like Elvis point about rolf having to derail the bridges wagon and check him when the guy was really really scummy even when she knows how townrolf plays. Also charter is still town. And I still have no idea why kmd is still alive. If there is a third party we should lynch is definitely him.
Meh, all other posts are opinions about this situation and people taking sides. I really dont want to lynch rolf and if I had to pick I would go with iam, only because I trust my rolftown read but I really dont want to bet the game in a failed assumption that its not that unlikely.
Anyways, there is no need to end the day and I want to hear more about everyone else. Im willing to push the kmd wagon and I also think pooky could be a good choice (reaction to the pressure early at the day).
Call me Tajo.
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