/in-vitational 2 - Chosen, Karaoke - Game over! before 830

[Papa Zito]

Voting a Chosen isn't going to make you look any more town, Mitey.

[MiteyMouse]

Voting a Chosen isn't going to make you look any more town, Mitey.

That sounds very similar to what Cojin said right before he died.

I have a strong belif that i would be choosen,

[Zorblag]

OK, Troll's going to make this as clear as possible. Troll must be town because Troll be trying to get Troll lynched and Troll plays to win (hence Troll no would do it as scum in LyLo or town normally.) All three town have to vote together to win this game; it takes three votes to lynch and that be the entire town. Troll no will be voting for anyone other than Troll therefore if someone else gets lynched there will be scum on the wagon. Scum no would vote in a way that loses the game. Therefore any lynch other than Troll's lynch will lose this game for town. Voting for anyone other than Troll be anti-town at this time (though it shouldn't get you lynched as Troll no will vote for you.)

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Papa Zito]

I don't have a strong belief. I'm absolutely sure.

[MiteyMouse]

I don't have a strong belief. I'm absolutely sure.

Only Scum are sure Papa.

[Papa Zito]

No ma'am.

Troll is absolutely town.

I know I am town.

Everyone here would have excluded Zorblag. Zorblag is VT.

That makes me Chosen.

You or Scien are scum. But it actually doesn't matter which. All that matters is that our VT gets lynched. Though your play here convinces me that you're scum, making Scien the last Chosen.

weee

[Zorblag]

Hmm, that actually raises an interesting strategy for scum to use (indeed one scum might have used this game.) Up until Nikanor flipped vanilla Troll had always gone with the assumption that scum's best bet was to exclude those that were less likely to get lynched so that them could kill them at night if it was needed. In actuality it makes just as much sense in a situation like the one we be in to have the person least likely to get lynched be a vanilla townie so that the chosen be more likely to be lynched. That be the easiest way to explain how we ended up with the endgame we did. Troll had been working on that assumption as least as recently as when Troll voted for Troll but Troll no had thought to put it in words like that until just now. Troll be disappointed in Troll that Troll no had come up with that earlier.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Incognito]

Vote Count #3 of Day 4

Zorblag (2) <-~ Zorblag, Papa Zito
Papa Zito (1) <-~ MiteyMouse

Not voting (1) <-~ Scien

With 4 living, 3 will do it.

Thursday, October 1st at 7 P.M. EDT.

[Zorblag]

Of course, it do still be possible that Papa Zito or Scien be the last scum and Troll be a chosen. We no will actually know till the game be over.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Papa Zito]

The scum had no idea that this situation would come up though. For all they knew in pregame, once of the Chosen would get lynched day 1. Excluding anyone but the strongest townie player would just be suboptimal play.

[Zorblag]

The night kills were made for some reason. On their own them be most strange. Setting up this endgame be a much more reasonable motive. Qwints was the least likely to get killed outside this group the first night and Sajin was more likely to live through day three than Nikanor was.

Troll could pretty easily see the game being directed to this particular endgame. And anyhow it no matters. So long as the scum stay out of the lynch rope and have another vanilla townie that does the same that strategy would win. It be an alternative to the more aggressive approach needed to deliberately kill a chosen and lets it happen passively instead.

Troll has been lynched twice here on mafia scum before this game. The first game Troll played Troll was lynched as the final scum the final day. Troll was lynched once in a game where Troll replaced in for a particularly scummy townie close to deadline and no could get out of the noose without potentially hurting the town (by directing suspicions elsewhere in ways Troll no knew would do the town any better.) In all of the rest of Troll's plays Troll has lived till the endgame. If the scum wanted to be sure to have a vanilla townie that did that them could make worse choices than Troll.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Zorblag]

Er, or been night killed. Troll has been night killed a number of times as well. Just not lynched outside of those two times prior to this game.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Zorblag]

And, for that matter, excluding the strongest (least likely to get lynched) player works for either strategy. Them no need to commit at the start. If day one ends up with a chosen lynch Troll be sure them would take it. If it goes as badly as day one did here for the scum then them have the option of playing a grey man scum game (staying in the background and just not getting lynched) and leaving the excluded around as well.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Papa Zito]

Come on Scien. Surely you don't have anything better to do on a Saturday night.

[MiteyMouse]

I was just thinking that Papa...are we all old?

[Papa Zito]

I'm posting from my phone as I help the kids get ready for bed.

So, yes.

[Zorblag]

Scien seems to be the young one. Him turns a strapping 25 later this month according to his profile.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[MiteyMouse]

Ah...25 was a good year...hehehe!

[Papa Zito]

Yeah, life was simpler at 25.

Mitey, could you please just vote Troll so we can win this? TIA.

[Zorblag]

Troll no can particularly remember being 25 as Troll's memory be crap. But from where Troll be sure Troll must have been at the time (Wisconsin) it was probably a pretty good year full of much cider and gin (which probably contribute to the memory thing.)

Troll plans on feeling really foolish when it turns out that Papa Zito do be the scum and Troll be the chosen. Troll still no going to change Troll's vote though.

Papa Zito do be right. Voting for Troll simply gets on with the inevitable here.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[MiteyMouse]

I can't vote for Zorblag at this point. I'm not going to rule out the possibility but, I'm not ready for that yet. I'd also like to hear from Scien first.

[Papa Zito]

I know it's meaningless to reassure you but I'm clean this game. We're on the same side again. Which means one of Scien/Mitey are not, again. Which just further reinforces the this-is-not-coincidence theory.

[Scien]

Sigh...

Scum PapaZ would have so hammered if he honestly bought the 2 vote self vote thing and Zorblag was chosen... I don't think he was lying. That ruled out the PapaZ scum/Zorblag Chosen combination.

PapaZ has since voted setting up the L-1, and Mitey won't cast the final vote.

Zorblag suggesting his own lynch and setting me up for the last vote means he is at least pro-town.

There is nothing about this situation that can suggest that I am getting played. We know the roles now.

I think we win.

Vote: Zorblag

[Zorblag]

Scien took long enough looking at the thread before posting that him no should be scum. It comes down to whether Papa Zito be tricky enough to have won this Troll thinks. Troll supposes we will find out soon enough. In any case, Troll enjoyed the game more than Troll was expecting to.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Scien]

If he pulled that trick... then I have to throw a ZOMG at him.