Open 171- Carbon 14, Part 2!! Over!!

[Alduskkel]

I was vanilla last time fyi.

Still don't have my role PM for this one.[/impatient]

[Alduskkel]

/confirm

Vote: semioldguy

[Alduskkel]

Vote: semioldguy

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You didn't random vote. Explain yourself!

[Alduskkel]

I don't always random vote in my games.

Links please.

[Alduskkel]

Newbie 763 (Town) - you random voted
Mini 775 (Town) - you didn't random vote
Mini 776 (Town) - you random voted for strategy reasons due to unusual game mechanics
Open 151 (Town) - you random voted
Mini 784 (Town) - you random voted
Open 158 (Scum) - RVS ended quickly; no random vote
Mini 778 (Town) - you random voted
Phables Death Note Mafia (Town) - your first post is post #243; no random vote obviously

I didn't look at games you replaced into, since presumably you replaced in after the RVS in those.

So basically you've only failed to random vote once without a good reason, and it was as Town.

Unvote

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@Everyone except semioldguy: What do you think about this meta info?

[Alduskkel]

I'm not making a big deal out of it -- just trying to start up discussion.

[Alduskkel]

I agree. Scum slip?

Vote: Scigatt

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[Alduskkel]

Unvote, Vote: dramonic

. Please try to count properly. Khamisa is at L-2 (Snow_Bunny, Cass). Coupled with your nonsense about Scigatt being so blatant as to do that during the RVS, and you've got a case that's being blown out of proportion. I think you're just trying to get a mislynch on a somewhat overly cautious Townie (not saying he's vanilla btw).

[Alduskkel]

And

FoS: Khamisa

. Posts 63 and 72.

[Alduskkel]

How did you get to thinking that?

[Alduskkel]

Don't you have anything else to say in your defense?

[Alduskkel]

Mod: What is the vote count?

[Alduskkel]

Now what you have is dramonic either lying or overlooking something that no pro-town should(and no competent pro-town would), especially something that he was using for support for his case.

Kinda exactly like what you did last game when you accused me of putting Khamisa at L-1 when I didn't right?

Kind of, and he was SCUM in that game. Thus you are arguing that you are scum NOW.

Also scummy is Khamisa, who has been quite non-commital this time around (well, more than last time anyways.) The three things that are preventing me of voting her are:
A) I doubt the scumteam is exactly the same as last time
B) She seems a bit newb-town to me (although she's not that new...)
C) That'd be L-1

So all of a sudden it's okay to be cautious and not put people at L-1 haphazardly? It's okay for you to be cautious, but when Scigatt is he's being "paranoid"?

Why would you vote for him? Before this post you made no prior accusation or case against him. So, why the sudden vote? Votes without reason are bad, and specially in a game so small.

I don't find Scigatt's case on dramonic that strong.

Either Scigatt is making a case on dramonic or he isn't. Make up your mind. If dramonic flips scum I'll be looking at you. Plus, I'm the main one pushing dramonic's lynch, got anything to say about my case?

[Alduskkel]

It's a pretty hard mistake to make, don't you think? Are you even bothering to do any fact checking?

See post 75, which I wrote as an echo to dramonic's post in the first game(I couldn't resist).

What do you mean here?

[Alduskkel]

I do.

[Alduskkel]

Scigatt: Not caring =/= scumminess.

I'm pretty sure Scigatt has already explained why he disagrees with this. Would you care to point out any flaws in his explanation?

[Alduskkel]

Khamisa, claim investigator or not-investigator.

[Alduskkel]

Khamisa is at L-1 and the deadline is in 2 days. Don't tell me that a claim isn't in order.

[Alduskkel]

Scigatt, how likely do you think a Khamisa lynch is without her claiming?

[Alduskkel]

I am fine with either of their lynches btw.

[Alduskkel]

Khamisa, why did you like my side of the argument about claiming more than Scigatt's?

[Alduskkel]

Yeah, Khamisa and dramonic are my guess for the scum team. Khamisa seems to defend dramonic at times, and back him up. Her iso posts 2, 6, and 7 in particular look like this, but it's in other posts, just less so.

The defense makes sense. If we lynch dramonic then she's at risk of being investigated and then it's all over. I wouldn't want to risk an instant loss... I doubt she does either.

[Alduskkel]

Scigatt's gender is ambiguous. But yeah, I'm not happy with the female player's activeness right now. Cass and Snow_Bunny would probably be my 3rd and 4th suspects (in no particular order).

By the way, Khamisa never got rid of her random vote for you.

Thanks for pointing that out. I'm not exactly sure where i thought i saw an unvote at... :/

Khamisa-(3)- Cass, semioldguy, dramonic
dramonic-(2)- Alduskkel, Scigatt
semioldguy (1) - Khamisa

Not voting-(1)- semioldguy, Snow_Bunny

[Alduskkel]

Hey, why'd you go from sounding like you preferred dramonic in 165 to voting Khamisa in 174?

[Alduskkel]

You said you were "wary" of the people on Kham's wagon but liked those on dram's wagon. That makes it sound like you think more of the dramonic wagon.

And are you going to explain 176-177?

[Alduskkel]

I'm a little inebriated at the moment.

Does that make you a semidrunkguy?

[Alduskkel]

Also:

Users browsing this forum: canadianbovine, chamber, hitogoroshi, Pomegranate, Snow_Bunny

Get in here Snow_Bunny and vote. I want stances and opinions.

[Alduskkel]

Aaaaand Snow_Bunny apparently browsed this very section of the forum and then decided to NOT POST because she is not in the active users list.

FoS: Snow_Bunny

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[Alduskkel]

But Khamisa was at L-1 fairly recently. I don't think dramonic's been at L-1 for quite some time, if ever (too lazy to check atm).

[Alduskkel]

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[Alduskkel]

I think Snow_Bunny deliberately avoided posting near deadline.

Very suspicious, to say the least.

[Alduskkel]

If the Cop has a guilty result then they should come forward now, since we can win the game if that happens.

I'm pretty sure dramonic is scum, but I can't say I'm happy with Snow_Bunny-lurker either. I'm think our scum is in one of those 2.

[Alduskkel]

Why should the Cop claim with just an innocent result?

IMO if the Cop has an innocent result they should claim if they're about to by lynched or the person they know is innocent is about to be lynched.

[Alduskkel]

Well true, if the Cop has an innocent result then we'll have at least 1 confirmed innocent on Day 3 (if we get there), whereas if the Cop doesn't claim then we could potentially end up with no one confirmed on Day 3.

So I guess I'm okay with the Cop claiming as long as they didn't investigate Cass.

FYI, I haven't claimed not-Cop. But if I am the Cop then I investigated Cass. I wish you hadn't claimed not-Cop, Scigatt.

[Alduskkel]

Scigatt, stop helping the Mafia find the Cop.

Exactly how does Cass not pair up with Khamisa well?

[Alduskkel]

Oh. Right. Got S_B and Cass confuzzled.

And it's 1:00 A.M.

[Alduskkel]

In other words, when I said "Cass" I meant "Snow_Bunny".

[Alduskkel]

Whatever dramonic -- I'm trying not to clue the Mafia in on who the Cop is, but you guys keep claiming not-Cop! Jeez.

And why do you suddenly find me scummier than Scigatt? You were thinking he was scum yesterday.

Vote: dramonic

. You guys make good points about the whole partner thing.

[Alduskkel]

Unvote

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Why didn't you claim earlier?

[Alduskkel]

Here's a bit of a PBPA.
Post 13: Khamisa random votes semioldguy.
Post 18: Snow_Bunny random votes Khamisa.
Then a lot of back and forth between dramonic and Scigatt.
Post 59: semioldguy defends Scigatt.
Post 60: Khamisa backs up semioldguy, very slightly. In the process of doing so though, she misrepresents him.
Post 62: semioldguy calls out the misrepresentation.
Post 68: Khamisa pursues the misrepresentation, but in the process reveals that she might have just misunderstood.
Post 69: SOG clears it up.
Post 90: Khamisa explains why she misunderstood. In case you're wondering, I think she actually did misunderstand. I doubt that she had some cunning plan to try and defend SOG while making him look scummier by trying to have it put out that he lied.
Post 100: S_B finally removes her random vote for Khamisa. This takes her out of L-2, and into L-3. This puts dramonic in the lead for being lynched.
Post 108: SOG votes for Khamisa, putting her back in league with dramonic for being lynched.
Post 113-114: SOG pressures Khamisa a bit.
Post 116: S_B says she isn't suspicious of Khamisa; she puts suspicion on Scigatt and votes for him, making him another person at L-2, along with Khamisa and dramonic.
Post 135: S_B unvotes but still says she's suspicious of Scigatt.
Post 136: SOG prods Khamisa more. He says that he doesn't buy dramonic's case on Scigatt, but finds dramonic scummy.
Post 166: SOG unvotes Kham for no real reason that I can see.
Post 174: SOG revotes Kham after a vote count showing that despite his unvote, Kham was still going to be lynched at deadline.
Post 177: SOG votes Cass.
Post 183, 185, 188: Pretty clear that S_B was trying to avoid posting at deadline.
Post 189: SOG votes Kham.
Make of this info what you will. It's not conclusive.

Well, I'm not the cop, and I decided to not post anything yesterday before lynch because I really didn't have much to say. I've been lagging in this game a bit, and I hope I'll catch up for this day.

You had no suspicions? You couldn't at least come in here and vote, and take a stance?

I dont have a guilty. Additionally, why would i have claimed? You're the one who was against cop claiming too quick.

Only if they had investigated Cass.

If dramonic isn't the cop, will the real cop please claim? (Even if you did investigate Cass)

I'm pretty sure dramonic isn't a dumbass. He's obviously the real Cop.

[Alduskkel]

My gut says SOG is scum and that S_B just doesn't really care much about the game. SOG's pressuring just feels like soft bussing that's supposed to look good in retrospect if one of them keels over, rather than really increase suspicion.

Vote: semioldguy

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[Alduskkel]

Also it's scummy that SOG went back to voting Khamisa right after it was shown that his unvote hadn't changed the fact that she was going to be lynched. OTOH, he could have changed his vote to dramonic and that WOULD have worked.

Hmm. The problem is that both players obviously had the chance to make dramonic the lynch for the day, but didn't. I think the difference is that SOG had voiced suspicion of dramonic earlier but S_B had already stated that she didn't like the dram case in her iso post 12.

Unvote

. I'm really not sure about all this.

[Alduskkel]

It's an interesting point, but I don't see it working out for dramonic in the long run. But I guess it's all he had.

What do you think of my analysis?

[Alduskkel]

S_B, are you trying to say you had

zero

suspects at the end of Day 1? If you had any suspicions, you should have voiced them and voted. Instead you chose to ignore the thread and quietly let it sit until deadline.

[Alduskkel]

SB, why'd you ignore post 231?

[Alduskkel]

Why didn't you at least vote?

[Alduskkel]

I'm going to go with my gut on this one. SOG 174 just really bothers me because of 173, and many of his other posts just seem like soft bussing as I noted in my PBPA.

I can still easily see SB being scum though, since she has next to no explanation for her active lurking.

Vote: semioldguy

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[Alduskkel]

Am I really you're 2nd suspect? I don't think S_B's meta here is that good of a tell. Maybe she likes playing scum less. Maybe she just finds it hard to get into a game again. I don't know. But so far the only evidence presented against me is that I couldn't prevent Khamisa's lynch, so I just find it weird that I'm you're 2nd suspect, especially given S_B's antics (or rather a lack thereof) at the end of Day 1.

[Alduskkel]

Get well soon. I'm waiting on Scigatt to respond to my post up above.

[Alduskkel]

Are we waiting for semioldguy or something? Because this game is stalling...

[Alduskkel]

Well I can only really talk about 161, since the others are pretty firmly rooted in fact. Basically in 161 I was saying I was fine with either a dramonic lynch or a Khamisa lynch, disregarding any claims. I don't know why the timing seems odd to you.

[Alduskkel]

oh snap

Did we just win? Because if not then I'm going to have a hard time tomorrow...

[Alduskkel]

I'll have a hard time convincing Scigatt that I'm Town and the S_B is Scum, that's what I meant.

[Alduskkel]

Plus the way you phrased it, you made it sound like it was a null tell since it wouldn't make sense from a Town or Scum perspective if I was talking about scum hunting.

[Alduskkel]

Well, on the off chance that you do stay alive, don't forget to investigate someone.
Scigatt: You never responded to 268.

[Alduskkel]

Scigatt, you're calling me scummy for agreeing with you. Need I say more?

[Alduskkel]

Why is the first part of 284 BS? It's legit, if WIFOM.

[Alduskkel]

I could have easily gotten away with hammering S_B in 251.

[Alduskkel]

Okay then, why didn't I hammer in 260? I said in 251 that I could "still easily see SB being scum" and had expressed suspicion of her for active lurking. I could have easily switched then. Maybe I'd say,

Meh, maybe going with my gut is a bad idea. SB hasn't provided any good explanation for her active lurking, so Vote: Snow_Bunny.

Just as an example.

[Alduskkel]

lol SOG you bastard I thought I was going to end up in a horrible endgame with Scigatt and Snow_Bunny
GG all

[Alduskkel]

@SOG: Was I right about you changing your vote back to Khamisa in 174 after you saw that your vote switch hadn't changed the fact that she was still going to be lynched?

[Alduskkel]

40%? Where did you get that number? The odds of the Cop investigating you were 1/5. The odds of you not killing the Cop were 4/5. 1/5*4/5=4/25, or 16%.