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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:33 am

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This means when your role is revealed if you die, right?
Correct.

@adamrights: If we reach the deadline with votes in a similar place as they are now would you change your vote? If so, to whom?



VOTE COUNT


(3) NewAgeWarrior - purple princess, Excedrin, XScorpion

(3) XScorpion - NewAgeWarrior, julienvonwolfe, Messiah

(1) oramiuri - adamrights


Not Voting: oramiuri, Wysp

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DEADLINE: September 7, 2009 12:01 PM PST
It's times like this..
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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:49 am

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...Isn't the fourth spot near the end? At least in this size Mafia?

*shrug* Seems kinda shaky to me, but I'm not as experienced as some people here. And thanks for explaining that, I couldn't find it on the wiki.
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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:56 pm

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It's true, 4th is near the end, but that's why it's called the 3rd vote theory. Anyway, 1st vote usually has some reasoning attached and hammer will be scrutinized, so being in the middle somewhere tends to not stand out.

Look at how NewAgeWarrior said earlier that he FoS'd XScorpion instead of voting because he didn't want to be seen as trying to bandwagon him here and clarified here.

Likewise, XScorpion initially voted for adamrights (s3r9i032123/n107yuh) because he wouldn't have to justify it very much ("he's a lurker, lets lynch him for non-contribution"). And now, I guess he's the 3rd vote on NewAgeWarrior (and he was attacked a bit for voting there without much justification (see posts following this (Messiah's post 226 for example))).

It's better to think about why would scum often be the 3rd vote: to avoid scrutiny. Then look for players who are doing other things to avoid scrutiny instead of just running around lynching anyone who places a 3rd vote.
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:22 am

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@oramiuri: How's that re-read going?

@Wysp: Why isn't your vote on anyone?
It's times like this..
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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:04 am

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Because I was debating on who to vote for. Spend a night on it and you usually get the answer.

Vote: XScorpion
. He seems to be the most scummy out of the two, and considering that NAW has at least been putting effort toward scumhunting, X seems the most likely option.

Also, if you guys have a tie, do you go into overtime or do you just double-hang?
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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:30 am

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Please note deadline lynch rules.




VOTE COUNT


(4) XScorpion - NewAgeWarrior, julienvonwolfe, Messiah, Wysp

(3) NewAgeWarrior - purple princess, Excedrin, XScorpion

(1) oramiuri - adamrights


Not Voting: oramiuri

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DEADLINE: September 7, 2009 12:01 PM PST
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:44 am

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lol @overtime. made me laugh for some reason.

I jumped on a computer, but to be honest this will probably be the last post of this day by me.

Not much of my opinion has changed. My vote stays. oramirui is creeping his way into my #2 spot on my scumdar. wysp seems to be more and more town as the game prgresses, but hes not clear yet (noone really is).
Other than that, i hope day 2 gives us some good news.
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:48 am

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Looks like I'm about to die, and I highly doubt anything I do/say is really gonna change anyone's mind at this point...what are you guys' plans for when I flip town? If you guys believe in the 3rd vote theory, will Messiah be on the chopping block? I apologize to all the pro-town, because I've played this game rather poorly, and pretty much everyone who is voting for me has an excuse for voting so that when I'm gone, they can easily avoid suspicion.
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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:19 am

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Please note deadline lynch rules.
Ah, thanks. I've seen both versions, so I figured I'd ask to be sure.
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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:23 pm

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Messiah wrote:@oramiuri: How's that re-read going?
This is a pretty good question.

XScorpion wrote:Looks like I'm about to die, and I highly doubt anything I do/say is really gonna change anyone's mind at this point...what are you guys' plans for when I flip town? If you guys believe in the 3rd vote theory, will Messiah be on the chopping block? I apologize to all the pro-town, because I've played this game rather poorly, and pretty much everyone who is voting for me has an excuse for voting so that when I'm gone, they can easily avoid suspicion.
XScorpion appears to have given up. This is an appeal to emotion, which is a scumtell.

With my IC hat on: assuming your lynch does take place, and I say assuming because I know that anything can happen in mafia, don't quit the site. I've been lynched as townie and as mafia in newbie games and I know that it can suck.
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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:40 pm

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anything can happen in mafia
*grin*

With all due respect, I think that's a major understatement. :P
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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:41 pm

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@Mod: Prod oramiuri?





MOD: I just prodded
oramiuri
.
It's times like this..
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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:54 am

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I'm about to be killed by deadline so whatever
I'm townie
<b>unvote, Vote: XScorpion</b>
Good luck guys.
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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:55 am

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EBWODP:
unvote, Vote: XScorpion
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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:40 am

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If you're a townie why would you hammer yourself?
It's times like this..
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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:18 am

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VOTE COUNT


(5) XScorpion - NewAgeWarrior, julienvonwolfe, Messiah, Wysp, XScorpion

(2) NewAgeWarrior - purple princess, Excedrin

(1) oramiuri - adamrights


Not Voting: oramiuri

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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:00 am

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XScorpion
was a...
























































Townie
.

DEADLINE OF NIGHT ACTIONS: September 10, 2009 12:30 PM PST
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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:53 am

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Time to call it a night. The extremely dim environment is not helping the discussion. Being stuck between aisles of dusty and expired goods while deprived of nutrition for 24 hours has taken its toll on the group, and the people yo have been stuck with seem angry, confrontational... or they lay back or give up. Utterly hopeless.

Maybe it would be different tomorrow.













With an empty stomach, you go find a spot near the Pasta aisle while fluffing the sets toilet paper to serve as a cushion... Maybe a good night's sleep would change things... Except there were two things you didn't expect to change.

You find
XScorpion
, with a knife on his chest. He must have lost his mind after remembering his last words from yesterday:

"F*ck off idiots. I don't know anything about this sh*t."

Next to him lay somebody, face down, bathing in the mixture of detergent and blood. You turn the body up...



















































You find
Excedrin (
Doctor
)
was
stabbed
in
Night One
.

DAY TWO DAWNS.


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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:51 am

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I don't think there's anything to read into regarding the NK nor do I feel it's possible to analyze the bandwagon at this point, so I won't even bother.

@oramiuri:
Why
haven't you posted anything since your ISO 13? I don't think I have to tell you why it looks terrible that you promised a re-read six days before deadline and then disappeared.

Also, I would like to encourage you to start posting more frequently in general.

@purple princess: After finishing an ISO read on everyone I really felt that you haven't given us much content. I wish you would post more, too.
purple princess(ISO 12) wrote:I still believe that you are scum
You sound fairly confident here; would you mind laying out your case on NAW in as much detail as possible? You've been voting him since the game started and never really laid out a case.

@Anyone who cares: I did a (possibly useless)PBPA on purple princess in my notes, I'll make it look nice and include it in this post.

PBPA of purple princessISO http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 62#1816362/1: Confirmation/RVS

ISO 2: Votes NAW for claiming Vanilla; defends sergio

ISO 3: Clarifies her sergio defense; says NAW's claim isn't a newb mistake because he's an SE

ISO 4: Further clarifies her sergio defense; fence sitting on the subject of Wysp

ISO 5/6: Says Wysp is probably just a noob

ISO 7: Says she isn't against a Wysp lynch.

ISO 8: Tells Wysp not to give up; asks n107yuh why he voted for Wysp

ISO 9: Defends n107yuh

ISO 10: Attacks NAW a bit here. I personally find her statements kind of confusing

ISO 11: Tells oramiuri to stop lurker hunting

ISO 12: Tells NAW she still thinks he's scum

ISO 13: Asks oramiuri why he asked Excedrin who to vote for
It's times like this..
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:04 am

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EBWODP: I didn't include the conclusion.

Conclusion: Like I said, she hasn't given us a case on NAW, or much content in general. Her posts are very infrequent and a lot of them are just two/three sentence responses to questions asked directly to her. The defense of sergio and varying opinions on Wysp are both odd, but I'm not sure what to make of them.
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:33 pm

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Damn you xscorpion, and damn you mafia.

@messiah
Your analysis is very well though out and put together. It certainly raises my attention at her ATM.

@oramirui
Be active or be replaced.

Just a theory as to why Excedrin was killed. He was on to something as far as the 3rd vote theory goes, or he was on the right track to catching scum. Its not much, but its something.
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:38 pm

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Activity check on Saturday afternoon.
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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:33 am

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Just a theory as to why Excedrin was killed. He was on to something as far as the 3rd vote theory goes, or he was on the right track to catching scum. Its not much, but its something.
So you think that Messiah is scum?

Here's my preliminary thoughts: If you look at the voting record, you'll notice that Excedrin was not voting for XScorp. He was voting for NAW. Now, there are two things that could have happened. Either NAW, being scum and being worried that someone was on to him, pegged the most active pursuer of a case against him and got lucky, or someone was talking when they shouldn't have. I mean, really. What are the odds of nailing the Doc on Night One?

But that aside
and #### you mafia.
And I quote from the Mafiascum Wiki article "Finding Mafia":
Gloating (any form of "complaining" about how bad the previous night was, how the doctor/cop was killed, etc.) Similar to "congratulating the doctor".
I've seen it a few times myself, but not that often. This would be more evidence to NAW being worried.
In addition, NAW was saying earlier that people need to stick their heads out for the Town if necessary. While he did brush that off, I think it's kinda odd that he say that.

As for PP, I would agree with Messiah--PP hasn't been very active. I don't think the jumping all over the place would be a scum-mark, since I've done the same thing a few times, but I'm having a hard time getting a read off of him/her. It's somewhat similar to what Adam's been doing, but Adam's been more active, just more enigmatic.

Overall, I think that NAW and/or PP might be scum.
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:40 am

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Messiah wrote:@purple princess: After finishing an ISO read on everyone I really felt that you haven't given us much content. I wish you would post more, too.
I am so sorry I am not posting as much as you would like, but I do have other things to do with my life than watch this 24/7.

I still feel that there is something about NAW, claiming he is always town, just screams to me that he has something to hide, then his next post he says he didn't think anyone would belive him, why didn't he say this in the first post? I could see that is could be seen as a newbie mistake but he is playing as SE in this game.

My suspisions have grown towards NAW after the night kill, both myself and Excedrin had our votes on him and now he is dead, also he goes on to give his "theory" on why Excedrin was killed, I feel that maybe he has said this to distract from himself being scum and killing Excedrin because he was on to him being scum.
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:39 am

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Wysp wrote: I think that
NAW and
/or
PP might be scum
.
(Emphasis is mine.)


Do you think it's possible that they're partners?
purple princess wrote: I am so sorry I am not posting as much as you would like, but I do have other things to do with my life than watch this 24/7.
You fail to address the "not much content" part of what you quoted, and that was kind of the point.
purple princess wrote: My suspisions have grown towards NAW after the night kill, both myself and Excedrin had our votes on him and now he is dead
Do you think Excedrin would fit the "let's kill the most pro-town player" choice?

Anyway, I do agree that something is off about NAW. I'll post a PBPA of him as soon as I get it finished.
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