Open 167 - Pie E7 Game over, quick like. before 844

[Netlava]

/confirm

[Netlava]

Original Roll String: 1d7

1 7-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

Would anyone up for a quicklynch?

[Netlava]

Eh, I was hoping for an excuse to vote Zachrulez or Haylen.

Nonetheless, the dice doesn't lie:

Vote: afatchic

[Netlava]

It's probably because he's voting me for suggesting a quicklynch while "agreeing" to said quicklynch. The irony!

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Worse come to worse, we can just randomly lynch.

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Just kidding, of course.

[Netlava]

Eh, it's an option. At least the dice won't trick us.

Anyways, atm jason is my top suspect. Jason's "sure" gives me a weird feeling. Almost like he secretly wants me to get quicklynched.

Normally, I don't like blabbering on first impressions too early b/c of tunnelvision, but whatever.

@ Haylen, do you prefer playing as scum or town? Just curious.

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Yeah, that's what jason's vote looks like and what it's likely to be. But at the same time, it doesn't really discount the idea of a quicklynch, even though that's what he's voting me for (presumably jokingly, of course). That's why I get a bad initial impression of it.

Anyways, I don't really want a quicklynch. But I prefer shorter days over longer ones.

A random D1 lynch is by no means a bad idea either, but it might not generate discussion heading into D2. But in this set-up, I think it's more effective than normal.

[Netlava]

And you didn't want to get one of either me or Haylen quick lynched?

Nope.

[Netlava]

I was debating whether I would place the L-1 vote, though, if the dice roll came up that way.

[Netlava]

But we have a higher chance to lynch a town player, and then after Night 1 another townie might die, so we'd get a 3 townie v 2 scum game on Day 2. Netlava, if you're town would you really want to play with our backs that far up to the wall?

It's usually a back-up option, if we're not confident in our scumreads / lack of discussion. But power-roles skew this balance.

Why do you prefer shorter days?

Longer days lead to more boring games which lead to inactivity which lead to apathy = bad for town.

I was hoping for more of a reaction to it.

Jason's vote is the one that felt weird to me.

lol my favourite role is SK, so I prefer playing as scum. Now im off to work...

What about not including the SK?

So Netlava, why'd you direct that alignment question at only Haylen?

Which do you prefer btw? But there's a reason for it, and I'll answer that after Haylen answers the question.

[Netlava]

What lead you to arrive at that conclusion? I never said anything like that.

So you will take

random lynches

as a back-up option

and

you wish for a short day...

Fix'D

[Netlava]

Not necessarily. Longer days help the town. More information is gained from longer days. There is a point where it just gets ridiculous though I will agree.

Well, I agree a right balance is optimal.

Can you explain why it felt weird?

See 24. It's only an initial impression though.

She did in 42 didn't she?

She said SK. I'm more interested in knowing whether she prefers the traditional scum team or town, which is a bit different from SK.

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I agree. Toro's vote seemed like an intentional misinterpretation of my points. I'm waiting to see how he arrived at that conclusion, though.

[Netlava]

It was a joke intended to elicit a reaction. I made it clear afterwards that I don't actually support a quicklynch.

[Netlava]

Unvote, vote: Toro

[Netlava]

You don't think there's a difference between quicklynch or random lynch?

A random lynch is not an inferior strategy to a non-random lynch. Townie reads aren't perfect, either.

A quicklynch is an inferior strategy.

[Netlava]

The assumption is that power roles claim like they're supposed to if they meet an unlucky roll.

[Netlava]

I could run through all the scenarios and show that it ends up being balanced in the end.

[Netlava]

Btw, do you think that random lynches & quicklynches are equivalently inferior?

[Netlava]

I think a random lynch ends up with more info in the end.

[Netlava]

I can see where you're coming from, Toro, if you think quicklynches and random lynches are pretty much the same.

What I can't see is how you took this quote:

So you will take quicklynches as a back-up option yet you wish for a short day...

Swapped random lynches for quicklynches (when I clearly differentiated the two).

Plus if I were to take quicklynches as a back-up option, wishing for a short day would be consistent with the above premise.

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See, now that's the confusing part for me.

I don't see how randomly lynching gives you more information when less discussion results from it.

Eh, my assumption was that random lynches result in discussion in the end, whereas a quicklynch doesn't leave time for such.

Statistically speaking, on D1 town lynches correctly much less often than randomly lynching would. I remember reading this somewhere.

[Netlava]

I switch quicklynches and random lynches because in the way I understand, it's the SAME FLIPPING THING. Lynch w/o info = quicklynch. Lynch w/o info = randomlynch/

That's the way you understand it. That's not the way I understand it. I just thought you would think that my previous posts indicated such a differentiation when I said that I didn't want a quicklynch.

But anyways,

unvote

. I'll have to think about it later.

[Netlava]

Well, either way random lynching is a back-up option in case discussion never gets started.

I'd like to think I have some reads now. Who knows.

[Netlava]

Alright, I'm going to have to explain this concept here, it's called RANDOM. That means that even though town might get lynched, scum might get lynched too (gasp).

That said, I don't really care for random lynching. I made it clear from point A that's it's called a BACK-UP option. Meaning, I prefer to lynch who I find suspicious, as soon as I do find someone suspicious.

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you call for it, yet when I vote for you joking about making a quick lynch you jump all over me? how does that sit?

I didn't jump all over you. I pointed out my initial impression of you, which I also happened to call an "initial impression."

I am really beginning to think your lynch will end up giving us more info, how would ANY random lynch give us information, maybe you just want to take a chance to lynch a power role?

How would my lynch give more info than any other lynch?

I don't actually see how it is a misinterpretation... you suggested quick lynch and random lynch, both work against the town more than they work for the town.

A quicklynch and a random lynch are 2 different things.

So you will take quicklynches as a back-up option yet you wish for a short day...

Would you agree that having "quicklynches" in the above quote instead of "random lynches" sounds worse?

Random/Quick Lynch: A lynch w/o much info. You want to off a power role go ahead, be my guest.

How would a random/quick lynch off a power role more so than any other lynch?

When I wrote that I was saying that if he was a town player then why would he be taking a larger chance at killing some of his other town-aligned partners then taking out scum?

...Because I don't know who my town-aligned partners are?

[Netlava]

Y'know, for someone with full access on weekends he's certainly dodging the questions.

Time for an in-game prod!

Unvote

Vote: CSL

Prodding inactives is good and all, but I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say "dodging the questions."

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Heh, I think it's funny CSL "just woke up" 6 hours after he posts.

[Netlava]

I beg to differ... you even named me as your top suspect

It was at the start of the game. But I didn't vote you at the time.

RANDOM LYNCH IN A 7 PLAYER GAME WILL PUT US AT LYNCH OR LOSE!!!!!

So will mislynching...

And a random lynch might also hit scum.

But you already have me as your top suspect, so instead of spouting this crap on random lynches why have you not started to build your case against me? after all I am your top suspect and already have found me suspicious?

Why do you think I haven't started to build a case on you? (curious)

[Netlava]

What's weird about that? Or is there a pattern here?

[Netlava]

I just found it very weird that I was at the time your top suspect

Well, I said it was merely an "initial impression." It's not much. My suspicions may have grown stronger or weaker... I need to clarify some things first and maybe wait for lurkers people to post.

My question is: How scummy or not-scummy do you think I am?

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I think you have been very scummy, I have already outlined that and shown how I feel you where trying to out a power role along with other things in post 78.

Your power role point isn't valid as random lynching has an equal chance of outing scum. Plus, since I can't control random lynching, I could get lynched for all I know.

My suspicion on you at the moment hasn't changed much from the early game.

If you think I've been "very scummy," then why are you worried about what I think of you? Scum don't really "think" about the game so much since they already know who's town and who's scum. Are you afraid of getting mislynched or something?

[Netlava]

I never said that my suspicion of jasonT was only at the beginning of the game. I said that jason was my "top suspect" at the beginning of the game. Considering the fact that it was the beginning of the game, being my "top suspect" doesn't necessarily mean that I firmly think a person scum yet.

Right now, I am mildly suspicious of jason & Toro.

[Netlava]

Just for clarification, why do you find me suspicious again?

[Netlava]

Vote: Toro

You are basically ascribing malicious intent to my suggestion of randomly lynching. Not only do I not control "random," I've also shown that the odds are no worse than normal lynching.

If anything, scum would fear random more, because they need to protect their dear roleblocker. If the the roleblocker gets lynched D1, it's almost an insta-loss for scum. I suppose that's what you mean by "power roles."

[Netlava]

Eh, there's more to the Toro case. I'll post the rest later.

[Netlava]

Have you read the thread yet?

[Netlava]

Uh... so... how do you plan on making a vote?

[Netlava]

I'm mainly waiting for you and Haylen before I continue posting again.

[Netlava]

Why were you V/LA in only this game?

[Netlava]

Unvote

Toro case has been postponed

[Netlava]

Jason, top suspect can mean mildy suspicious at the same time.

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I'm a little confused how CSL mananged to know that he is being pressured without reading the thread. It's not so obvious skimming the thread.

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CSL & Haylen are both lurking pretty hard, so I don't want to make a full committment to a case with only a "mild" scumread. In fact, I'm actually pretty suspicious of both CSL & Haylen right now.

Haylen's has supposedly read the thread ("I'm rereading") but hasn't posted anything. Has been ill and busy, but is posting quite a bit in other threads.

CSL's just woke up is a lame excuse. Knows he's being pressured but hasn't read the thread. Doesn't feel like reading the thread either.

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The claim is premature. I think people should claim only when a 4th player intends to hammer.

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No townie should drop a hammer without waiting for a claim first. It would be poor play to do so in this set-up.

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Wanted to hear from the lurkers before I made up my mind, but now that it's been partially addressed,

Vote: Toro

[Netlava]

Alright, then, case will be coming. *suspense*

[Netlava]

So you will take quicklynches as a back-up option yet you wish for a short day...

Quicklynches =/= random lynch

If you had called it like it was, you wouldn't have swap these 2 terms around. Especially when I differentiated between these 2 terms in my earlier posts.

- Would take a quicklynch, and he thinks it will help the town.

Completely opposite of what I've been saying. (repeatedly)

Feels like you are intentionally misinterpreting my posts.

- He's been pretty adamant about that we still only have a chance to bag scum D1, it's as if he's being ignorant to the odds.

Don't recall saying this anywhere.

Didn't you just say that your original suspicion on Jason was only at the beginning of the game?

Still don't recall saying this anywhere.

Random/Quick Lynch: A lynch w/o much info. You want to off a power role go ahead, be my guest.

Softclaim = scummy. Why? In Toro's own words:

Then that just gives scum the chance to pick 'em off at night, dude, think.

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Overall, it seems like you are just making stuff up.

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Also, early on, I attempted to clarify my suspicions on you with the following post:

That's the way you understand it. That's not the way I understand it. I just thought you would think that my previous posts indicated such a differentiation when I said that I didn't want a quicklynch.

Yet, you're still saying that I want a quicklynch. After many repeated transgressions, I think it has to be deliberate.

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You did want one, even though as a backup plan, you still wanted one.

Explain where I said this.

Something I don't get though is, you've stated all of these reasons before, yet why did you previously postpone your case against me?

I postponed my case in order to whine about lurkers. That way, I can 1) Get them to catch up or replace out 2) Have some semblance of a read on them

[Netlava]

^ Quicklynch =/= random lynch

Also, I was just thinking over the game, and I noticed how you said:

But nobody except the cop can

verify

that, so it's still possible that you are in fact scum.

Looks like a possible slip to me. Especially when you apparently find Haylen scummy.

Here's a post of yours where you claim that a random lynch has an equal chance of getting scum as it does town, 5 town v 2 scum Netlava, your knowledge of math disturbs me.

I said that a random lynch has an equal chance of outing a power role as it does outing scum. Two power roles, two scum.

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Mostly waiting for a possible hammer at this point.

Can you please explain to me how that looks like a slip?

Saying "verify" that Haylen is town is something someone leaning town on Haylen would say.

[Netlava]

I'm Vanilla Townie

as well

What do you mean by

as well

?

[Netlava]

Ok, whatever. I thought it was a slip at first.

[Netlava]

Can you summarize why you think I'm scum again? Also, why do you think Haylen is scum?

[Netlava]

More importantly, why do you find Haylen scummy?

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Unvote

Alright, I'll give Toro another read-through to make sure if he is scum.

[Netlava]

Vote: Haylen

I don't really have a read on Haylen, and I have no idea on Toro (hence the unvotes),
but I feel like a lynch needs to happen right now. Premature claims ftl.

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Vote: Nikanor

I investigated him and got a guilty result.

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Pretty much the lurking.

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Whew... That could have ended badly. I thought I was in danger of getting lynched, so I hammered to save myself.

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Which is funny because I thought you were just jumping on Haylen's bandwagon at an oppurtune time to not only halt discussion, but to try and make yourself look town. Looked like an oppurtune bus-wagon jump by you if you were scum.

Yeah, I thought that was the only possible move, with 2 claims. If discussion continues, I think it might actually hurt the town.

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Yeah, Zach also let slip that he had a PR.

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I just wanted her to have a chance to claim on the off chance she was a power role.

"Off chance" lol. Knowing that I was the cop helps.

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Hmm... I tend to misinterpret a lot of random stuff as "slips." Like that Toro stuff.

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Yeah, I was actually leaning town on Toro after that rant too. So I was kind of stuck on what to do next.

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The dice roll was just an "excuse" to put someone at L-1.