Mini 836: Commie Mafia (Game Over)

[Hoopla]

Why?

Besides Sens, you've been one of the quieter one's - votes are usually a good way to hurry up that process. An active town is a good town.

hoopla seriously how old are you. also hoopla do you expect as much from me as you do talitha?

I'm probably older than the average age of users here, although I suspect that question was rhetorical.

It's really important to keep everyone as active and involved in the game as possible. Balance of input is super important - one of the things I hate most is 4-5 people talking lots and then everyone else having to post big walls of text to catch up. Succinctness and a relatively even spread of participation is key. This is why I like chasing lurkers, or those external to the central conversation.

It probably sounds like a load of rubbish, but it is important and makes future analysis of D1 easier, which imo, is the best place to catch scum.

Also, tell me your alt account here.

[Col.Cathart]

Just something to point out. I know this isn't much but examine carefully the wording of Cyberbob's post:

Gut, mostly. It

feels

like a

bunch of townies

getting really caught up in shaking their fists at each other

without anyone really having done anything scummy.

I didn't say that you're all townies, I said that that's what the argument

feels

like. I consider that kind of an argument to be a null tell. This may seem a bit contradictory but there you go.

I don't like your word choice. It "feels" like a bunch of "townies". If I were to take a wild guess, I could see how a member of the mafia could 'feel' that there is an argument among townies. Word choice is crucial in detection of mafia. Obviously, its not the best point, but something to pay attention to.

What's wrong with that wording? It's Day 1. Except the mafia, no one KNOWS anything, so feeling and thinking is all that left. Actually, now when I'm looking at it, I think it's completely opposite from what you said. Mafia member won't 'feel' the argument between the townies. A scum knows his fellows, so he doesn't need to 'feel'. He's the one who knows. Townie (what's wrong with the word 'townie' btw? Seems like a common used name for pro-town guys, so I don't know where you're getting at) on the other hand, without any knowledge, must use his guts (feeling) or head to analyze (thinking).

In short: Please explain this to me, because in my opinion, it doesn't make any sense.

[Talitha]

I'm not lurking and I'm not being intentionally quiet. I'm a mum of 3 kids who also has a weekday job, and as much as I love playing mafia I just don't have the time or energy to post as much as some of you do. I have barely played any games in the last 2-3 years because of my commitments, but I still like to play every now and then to try and keep in touch.

[Hoopla]

Understandable.

As a side-note, Harumafuji's posts are hilarious. They look like the end-result from something from Translation Party.

[Cyberbob]

Honestly, I don't understand why my vote has to be "justified".

Brilliant.

It is a pressure vote at best.

And an attempt to find an excuse to move your vote away from charter in order to try and divert suspicions at worst.

I don't like your word choice. It "feels" like a bunch of "townies". If I were to take a wild guess, I could see how a member of the mafia could 'feel' that there is an argument among townies. Word choice is crucial in detection of mafia. Obviously, its not the best point, but something to pay attention to.

What, would you have preferred it if I'd used the word "know" instead? Yeah, I'm sure you wouldn't be jumping all over me if I had.

As a side-note, Harumafuji's posts are hilarious. They look like the end-result from something from Translation Party.

I honestly wouldn't mind betting he's an alt of someone, and that they're doing almost exactly this.

[Talitha]

Ohhh, I think you guys are on to something with Haru's posts. It was bugging me that they didn't look truly like someone learning Engish.

[Hoopla]

Looking into some of Haru's posts, I would say it is almost certain that he is using that website for everything he writes. For those that don't know what it is, it's a utility that translates a phrase back and forth between English and Japanese. Usually, because sentences don't always directly translate, it will come back a garbled mess. The simulation stops when the same message keeps coming back.

I've messed around on that website before - occasionally a phrase will reach it's equilibrium after one or two attempts, but this is rare (unless you type in a 2-3 word phrase). What makes me strongly suspect Haru is using Translation Party or something similar, is many of his quotes are already at their equilibrium when I run them through the simulation.

I was in the glass, you agree to these cute little girl.

I have an idea to offset the Charter Lynch. Peabody Charter please vote for my questions. We are all benefiting from the UN Charter. Peabody "random votes" is a cop. Peabody, the drive is quite right in the Charter is already voting.

You'd expect both of these sentences to return a series of amusing mash-ups, but they don't change. Unless Haru can come clean and explain what he's doing, I'm placing my vote on him for actively hurting the town by deliberately making no sense.

Unvote, vote: Harumafuji

[Cyberbob]

I like the cut of your jib... depending on Haru's response I might change my vote, but for now I am happy with my vote on Peabody.

FOS: Harumafuji

[SensFan]

So, I'm not intentionally lurking, just out of town visiting my girlfriend. I'll be back home on Tuesday.

Thanks for your co-operation!

[Hoopla]

So, I'm not intentionally lurking, just out of town visiting my girlfriend. I'll be back home on Tuesday.

Thanks for your co-operation!

Yeah, okay Sens.

[Peabody]

Just something to point out. I know this isn't much but examine carefully the wording of Cyberbob's post:

Gut, mostly. It

feels

like a

bunch of townies

getting really caught up in shaking their fists at each other

without anyone really having done anything scummy.

I didn't say that you're all townies, I said that that's what the argument

feels

like. I consider that kind of an argument to be a null tell. This may seem a bit contradictory but there you go.

I don't like your word choice. It "feels" like a bunch of "townies". If I were to take a wild guess, I could see how a member of the mafia could 'feel' that there is an argument among townies. Word choice is crucial in detection of mafia. Obviously, its not the best point, but something to pay attention to.

What's wrong with that wording? It's Day 1. Except the mafia, no one KNOWS anything, so feeling and thinking is all that left. Actually, now when I'm looking at it, I think it's completely opposite from what you said. Mafia member won't 'feel' the argument between the townies. A scum knows his fellows, so he doesn't need to 'feel'. He's the one who knows. Townie (what's wrong with the word 'townie' btw? Seems like a common used name for pro-town guys, so I don't know where you're getting at) on the other hand, without any knowledge, must use his guts (feeling) or head to analyze (thinking).

In short: Please explain this to me, because in my opinion, it doesn't make any sense.

I don't know, just the whole wording of the post seems forced. The post gave me a bad feeling in the gut. I did tell you all that it wasn't the best point. I feel that I ought to contribute my observations if I believe something isn't quite right, don't you agree?

[Peabody]

And I do agree with the strangeness of Harumafuji's posts. He seems like an alt to me.

[le Chat]

hoopla seriously how old are you. also hoopla do you expect as much from me as you do talitha?

I'm probably older than the average age of users here, although I suspect that question was rhetorical.

Also, tell me your alt account here.

rhetorical questions end in periods! :D and yes it was rhetorical. you must be over 300 years old if you have had a birthday every day since joining the site!

also, stop having birthdays every day and i'll tell you my alt. hopefully you recognize that le Chat is a persona individual of my main like hoopa is a persona who has birthdays every day. mew mew mew.

i dont find Harumafuji's account-imposed posting restriction to be scummy. i assume it was something he decided he would do before he received his role and therefore is just a Harumafuji-tell not a scum-tell. It seems like an easy lynch to push for, though. hmm!

[Cyberbob]

I don't know, just the whole wording of the post seems forced. The post gave me a bad feeling in the gut. I did tell you all that it wasn't the best point. I feel that I ought to contribute my observations if I believe something isn't quite right, don't you agree?

So you might say that it... "feels" wrong?

[Cyberbob]

EBWOP:

i dont find Harumafuji's account-imposed posting restriction to be scummy. i assume it was something he decided he would do before he received his role and therefore is just a Harumafuji-tell not a scum-tell. It seems like an easy lynch to push for, though. hmm!

I don't necessarily think he's

scummy

for doing it, I just really want him to stop. Having a person being so ridiculously hard to understand hurts the town.

[mathcam]

Yeah, I agree that Haru's attempt at English struck me as odd...he hasn't seem confused by other people's posts either. If it's not part of his role description or something somehow related to the game, I'd go past "hurts the town" to say that it violates the spirit of the "everyone has to try their best to win" rule of mafiascum. Deliberately making yourself incomprehensible is frankly selfish and disruptive...though admittedly entertaining.

I think I find Coco's answers to my questions pretty satisfactory, actually.

Unvote: Coco

Cam

[Hoopla]

i dont find Harumafuji's account-imposed posting restriction to be scummy. i assume it was something he decided he would do before he received his role and therefore is just a Harumafuji-tell not a scum-tell. It seems like an easy lynch to push for, though. hmm!

I don't think it is a scum-tell either - I agree that he probably decided to do it before the game, regardless of alignment. But faking a post restriction (of this extreme) is very anti-town, as it's basically one player slot we can't receive analysis from. For what it's worth, I'm not pushing for his lynch (yet).

[charter]

I would like le Chat to give an opinion on something, anything. Best would be who you are most suspicious of and why. Another question you could answer is why haven't you voted yet this game?

[Talitha]

Sorry, I'm only just catching up properly on all the posts.

This is my first game where I'm not a replacement on this site. I wanted to experience the RVS. Also, I do not believe my "before discussion starts" comment was so unbelievable. The only events that transpired was the questionable argument back and forth between Vaya and Coco. Many of you have already said the conversation was useless.

You can't really experience the random voting stage if it has already passed. Forget what "many" people have said (and I would dispute that it really was "many") ... are you saying that nothing had happened by the time you made your random vote that was even remotely interesting, comment-worthy, nothing that made you even slightly suspicious of any of the other players at all?

[Cyberbob]

I would like to hear from Vaya

at all

, I'd like to see a response from Harumafuji to all of the recent stuff (preferably involving an agreement to stop using the translation site) and I'd like to see le Chat say something of value as per charter's post.

The activity levels in this game have been kind of disappointing, especially considering it only started a few days ago.

[mathcam]

A page a day is disappointing? I agree that a few of us need to step up a little more, but as a whole, I think we're doing fine. I'd also point out that

you

were the one being very dismissive of the earlier conversations.

Cam

[Peabody]

Sorry, I'm only just catching up properly on all the posts.

This is my first game where I'm not a replacement on this site. I wanted to experience the RVS. Also, I do not believe my "before discussion starts" comment was so unbelievable. The only events that transpired was the questionable argument back and forth between Vaya and Coco. Many of you have already said the conversation was useless.

You can't really experience the random voting stage if it has already passed. Forget what "many" people have said (and I would dispute that it really was "many") ...

are you saying that nothing had happened by the time you made your random vote that was even remotely interesting, comment-worthy, nothing that made you even slightly suspicious of any of the other players at all?

I actually did comment on the conversation before my post. Please see my post. You skewed the details a bit.

[Cyberbob]

A page a day is disappointing? I agree that a few of us need to step up a little more, but as a whole, I think we're doing fine. I'd also point out that

you

were the one being very dismissive of the earlier conversations.

Cam

Yeah I know. I suppose it's because I've been more or less refreshing every few minutes, having had a lot of spare time and not a lot to do over the last few days.

[CoCo]

I too was thinking Haru's posts were a little off. Not worth voting on at this time.

Vote Charter

, for being the scummiest of the three people I'm suspicious about.

[Talitha]

Peabody, yeah, you did comment on the quick wagon in your first post (82), and also questioned charter's town read.

I can kinda see your first post as a joke-ish "must get a random vote in, before jumping into the debate" - but in post 126 you actually defend it and imply it wasn't a joke and it really was before discussion had started.

I probably would have unvoted you by now except for this apparent contradiction.