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vote: Mighty Orbots
Thank you for that wikitell, throwing IIoA at us for no valid reason at all. I object to "pretty much it" since Mighty Orbots has, so far, 40KY Krew wrote:And that's pretty much it from Orbots - information, no analysis..."
Is this fancy talk to suggest that we should policy lynch zwet and MafiaJin in case the scum chooses them for endgame, while pleading that we should keep YOU, because you'd be great at endgame?KY Krew wrote:We as KY Krew feel we could cut away some of the "meta-chaff" - zwet and MafiaJin are two that we had in mind - we know we haven't participated as much as some so far, but do feel we are very capable of closing out a game, and moreso than either of those players (again, aware that this shouldn't necessarily excuse us from our actions, but it's a very pertinent point to consider for this game in particular). It's the town's pleasure if we stuntman into the scene or not, and we were thinking of replacing MafiaJin if we did use our action.
Yeah, well, that last game we played together I had a gut feeling you were scum there as well, and didn't follow up on it as much as I should have. We all know how that turned out, heh. My suspicions on you aren't really meta based; it's more about how yourGaspar wrote: I find Yos's use of meta more amusing than anything else, considering I haven't looked at a mafia game in, what... over five months?
I mentioned this earlier; dahill's early overreaction to DGB's suspicions of zwet seemed strange to me. The way he moved his vote to Zwet later after defending him against DBG's origional attacks seems odd, as well, and I'm not completly clear why he did it. None of that is a huge deal, but it's enough to put them just above "background scumminess levels" in my mind, so I put them just above the "everyone else" group.Gaspar wrote:EBWOP: Also, I completely disagree with your listing of Shanba/Dahill/Hascow. I find them distinctly protown, based on what I've seen from dahill and what I know I saw in him when I played scum with him in the past.
That's just not true from any understanding of the rules that would make sense. His next post (that he's just giving his lines) might indicate that he understands that but he's confusing things in there when they don't need to be confused in that way.hewitt wrote:I mean honestly one of the advocates has to have the best interests of the innocents in mind and if they're both picking Valentine then obviously one of them is planning on screwing us over but the other hopefully knows what they're doing.
Actually, no. I haven't mentioned Hewitt yet. I have no opinion of him one way or another at this point. Wrong name, bucko.Mighty Orbots wrote:Gaspar, you're the one who's sure about hewitt; is that still true after what he's done in the on camera thread?
Mighty Orbots wrote:Papa Zito hasn't posted here today so I'm going to break one of my hydra rules and actually do my own voting.I don't have any reason to think that zwetschenwasser is town,if he's scum he's in a spot that can actually do us harm with the flow of information.
Finish your sentence, much?elmosaurian wrote:Yeah, well, that last game we played together I had a gut feeling you were scum there as well, and didn't follow up on it as much as I should have. We all know how that turned out, heh. My suspicions on you aren't really meta based; it's more about how yourGaspar wrote: I find Yos's use of meta more amusing than anything else, considering I haven't looked at a mafia game in, what... over five months?
Funny you should say that, considering I haven't mentioned MafiaJin in over two pages. Since then, I've weighed in on KY Krew, Zwet, Talilan, CowBagelFrogThing, and the On-Camera Decision situation in general.(elmo)Yos wrote:Anyway, as I said in my post, I'm really made uncomfortable by how much you're focusing so much on MafiaJin, just because he put himself in the scene, especally considering that he did that so early before we had really worked out exactally what all of that meant in thread. Using that as a reason for suspicion isn't irrational, but it seem really, really weak to me, and far less relevent then stuff that has happened since day 1 started to me.
Pfft. Predictability gets you killed.(elmo)Yos wrote:On a side note, I am pleased to see that Elmo was wrong about you; he was sure you were going to OMGUS us right away for that, hehe.
-Yos
Gaspar wrote:Actually, no. I haven't mentioned Hewitt yet. I have no opinion of him one way or another at this point. Wrong name, bucko.
hewitt is the Count de Morcerf.Gaspar wrote:In other news, I am confirmed innocent, and I'm 99% sure that Count de Morcerf is innocent.
It's pretty much like it reads. zwetschenwasser could be scum or he could be town playing poorly. With most of the other players I've got some reasons to think that they have been helping the town. With zwetschenwasser I don't have that. It's a weaker statement than that I think he's scummy as I could see him making this sort of play as town given what I know of him, but he along with KY Krew is my best guess for scum in the game right now and I'm more worried about his potential to do damage to us as scum than I am KY Krew in the long run.Gaspar wrote:I do have a question for you, though. Could you please elaborate on the quote below (particularly the part which I have italicized)?Mighty Orbots wrote:Papa Zito hasn't posted here today so I'm going to break one of my hydra rules and actually do my own voting.I don't have any reason to think that zwetschenwasser is town, if he's scum he's in a spot that can actually do us harm with the flow of information.
How's the reread coming along?Seraphim wrote:Hmm.
Sorry for being so useless in this game so far, but my presence has been needed elsewhere. I thought I would have more time for this game but obviously I don't have enough. In the meantime I'm going to reread back through both threads and see if I find anything interesting.
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Let me volunteer something. The way zwet (KY Krew's competing wagon) has been playing, if he were scum, he'd have been bus'ed so hard all our necks would be in a tight twist from the head spinning. That has got me thinking that despite his not paying attention, his slow reaction time with his job, and his appalling hammer-only policy he may, much to my chagrin, be town.Thok wrote:DGB (this question is directed at her part of the hydra):
1. Roughly how many scum do you think are on the current KY Krew wagon?
2. Roughly how many scum do you think are Off Camera, but aren't part of the KY Krew wagon?
3. Roughly how many scum do you think are On Camera (feel free to break the On Camera into proLocke and proValentine groups and guess the number of scum in those groups)?
UmGaspar wrote:Funny you should say that, considering I haven't mentioned MafiaJin in over two pages.(elmo)Yos wrote:Anyway, as I said in my post, I'm really made uncomfortable by how much you're focusing so much on MafiaJin, just because he put himself in the scene, especally considering that he did that so early before we had really worked out exactally what all of that meant in thread. Using that as a reason for suspicion isn't irrational, but it seem really, really weak to me, and far less relevent then stuff that has happened since day 1 started to me.
This was only two posts before my vote, glork. What do you mean you "hadn't mentioned mafiajin in 2 pages?"Gaspar wrote:I'm not nearly as sure about Krew, Jin, or Talilan as I am about MafiaJin being scum, but I'd be willing to throw down a Day One lynch on any of the four, really.
Actually, my vote for inhim was partly based on lack of contribution. I'll always go after lurkers, but I'm also going to go after people who I find scummy for other reasons.But hey. If you want to ignore others' lack of contribution in favor of accusing me of focusing too much on MafiaJin, that's cool.
This, though, I agree with. Plus, Talilan also seems to be ignoring the fact that making the wrong choice on thread now will not only turn someone scum, it also would do something that will hurt town in endgame. At least, that's my reading of the rules; I really don't think the alignment of one player is the only thing riding on this decision.Gaspar wrote: I also didn't like Talilan's suggestion of "well we could have Locke drive, then just kill Locke." While the argument of "we will lynch known scum" is technically true, it is far better to keep a town than to turn him into a scumbag and kill him. In that discussion (especially this post), Talilan posits that both Valentine and Locke have been given equal choices... which is stupid, because we are explicitly told that one choice is Good, while the other choices is Bad. The outcomes of the decision must necessarily be different, yet Talilan posits them as being the same.