/in-Vitational Game 4 (Game Over!)

[VP Baltar]

What's the tl;dr case on ekiM? Something to do with his interactions with elvis, or what?

Here's why I think ekiM is scummy in brief:

• His scum hunting Day 1 was largely non-existent. When he did finally get around to calling people scum, it almost entirely hinged on BnB being scum.
  
• He has used IIoA and unnecessary repetition to pad some of his posts and seem busier than he really is.
  
• Oj points out a pretty strong contradiction from him here
  
• After 27 pages of play, the best suspicions he is able to come up with are as follows:

  Kmd4390

  - Yeah, I don't like that unvote yesterday. If you unvote for vanilla, does that mean you lynch investigative roles? I don't get it.
  
  If you're sure someone is townie, you should be working your ass off to derail their wagon. He... didn't. Of course if he's scum and unvoted then he's off the wagon when a townie was lynched.
  ...
  

  VP Baltar

  - His fixation with me yesterday while I was V/LA seemed like a major cop-out. He didn't comment much on BAB wagon until right at the end.
  ...
  

  Xylthixlm

  - zwet alt? I don't like the huge number of one liners that don't really say anything. Got off the BAB wagon but didn't try and derail it. What does that achieve?

  Notice how all of these are still related to the BnB wagon, and in your particular case he is actually blaming you for not trying to derail it. Funny for someone who would have called you scum for doing that yesterday.
  
  
• Need I say more?

[mith]

Vote Count:

8 to lynch.

SerialClergyman: 5 (elvis_knits, roflcopter, Xylthixlm, Yosarian2, zu_Faul)
ekiM: 3 (Kmd4390, Ojanen, VP Baltar)
charter: 1 (PookyTheMagicalBear)
Kmd4390: 1 (ekiM)
Yosarian2: 1 (SerialClergyman)
zu_Faul: 1 (iamausername)

Not Voting: 3 (charter, populartajo, Thesp)

[populartajo]

As promissed, a scumlist ftw.

Prob Town

charter - gut, meta arguments, agressive charter is town charter.
roflcopter - gut, meta arguments, usual town rolf.
elvis_knits - gut, meta arguments, also agressive elvis is town elvis.
Ojanen - gut, solid reasoning, feels transparent.

Neutral

Thesp - solid reasoning yesterday, havent heard much of him today, needs to post more.
SerialClergyman - tbh I skipped some of his posts (the majority are a tl/dr debate with yos). Possible rolefishin, will need to iso him.
PookyTheMagicalBear - needs to post more. alexhans felt kinda relaxed yesterday.
iamausername - doesnt scream scum, doesnt scream town, needs to post more.
VP Baltar - solid points overall but something of his tone doesnt sit well with me, will need to iso him.
Xylthixlm - usual difficult to read Xyl. Majority of his posts are meh.
Yosarian2 - yos is always hard to read. as i said, some of his posts feel scummy but he comes back with a potent protown point.
zu_Faul - same with iam, doesnt scream scum but doesnt scream town, needs to post more.

Prob scum

Kmd4390 - gut, meta arguments (i dont remember kmdtown being ironic), elvisvote early is terrible, elvisunvote is odd. backs up his yos hate with yos meta that I still dont get.
ekiM - baltar case feels good. meta arguments, i dont think ive ever seen miketown being so humurous. his last elvis debate feels forced and i agree that his reads lack substance, something off in what Ive seen of mike in other games.

I really dont understand the serial case. Anyone?

Willing to vote kmd but also interested in the mike momentum and competing wagons.

Vote: Mike.

[populartajo]

Shit! Just lost my whole post. Ok, doing this the ghetto way. ekiM is scum. I basically just agreed with Rofl and voted.

Vote ekiM

. Serial wagon makes no sense. People are beating a dead horse about my unvote on Bridge by saying I distanced from the wagon when I

expected

to take heat, but I didn't want to lynch someone who I thought was town.

And Tajo, Medeival is my only completed game with TownYos.

So, is that the game you are using to metasuspect Yos?

[Xylthixlm]

I've been totally forgetting that we have five dead townies already.

Final Vote Count:

11 to lynch.

BridgesAndBaloons

: 11 (charter, ekiM, elvis_knits, iamausername,

inHimshallibe

, populartajo, roflcopter, SerialClergyman, Thesp, VP Baltar, Yosarian2)
ekiM: 3 (

BridgesAndBaloons

,

Claus

, Xylthixlm)
elvis_knits: 2 (Kmd4390, zu_Faul)

Claus

: 1 (alexhans)
Thesp: 1 (

Herodotus

)

Not Voting: 2 (Ojanen,

Shabba

)

IGMEO Thesp.

[VP Baltar]

charter - gut, meta arguments, agressive charter is town charter.

Have to advise against this. He was scum and quite aggressive in Pale Moon Rising. I think he's aware of his own meta. Also, what has been aggressive about him thus far today?

elvis_knits - gut, meta arguments, also agressive elvis is town elvis

Disagree again. Just finished a game with EK as scum and she was plenty aggressive. I've been getting decent (though at times misguided) vibes from her since the original kmd dust up, so I'm inclined to think she is town, but I don't think aggressiveness on her part should be considered a town tell.

Thesp - solid reasoning yesterday, havent heard much of him today, needs to post more.
...
PookyTheMagicalBear - needs to post more. alexhans felt kinda relaxed yesterday.

Definitely agree with these.

[zu_Faul]

I really dont understand the serial case. Anyone?

Lurking, lying, trying to not have an opinion other than "Yos is scum" and "KMD looks town". His posts don't seem like he wants to find scum, they look like he wants Yos2 lynched. He's also fishing for roles.


Thanks, elvis_knits, for the explanation of the smallest violin. I disagree with ekiM's assertion that my point is tiny.
ekiM looked really scummy on page 26, with all the "tell me who they find scummy." thing. What does it have to do with anything if player A can't tell from the top of her head who player B and C find suspicious? Scumminess has nothing to do with player A's memory.

[elvis_knits]

I've been totally forgetting that we have five dead townies already.

Final Vote Count:

11 to lynch.

BridgesAndBaloons

: 11 (charter, ekiM, elvis_knits, iamausername,

inHimshallibe

, populartajo, roflcopter, SerialClergyman, Thesp, VP Baltar, Yosarian2)
ekiM: 3 (

BridgesAndBaloons

,

Claus

, Xylthixlm)
elvis_knits: 2 (Kmd4390, zu_Faul)

Claus

: 1 (alexhans)
Thesp: 1 (

Herodotus

)

Not Voting: 2 (Ojanen,

Shabba

)

IGMEO Thesp.

I don't understand this post. Why does the color-coded vote count make you give an IGMEO Thesp? Not sure if you realize but the counts are alphabetical and not order of votes cast, if that's what you're going by?

I do think we need more posting from the follwing though:
Thesp
Pooky
Charter
(Serial)
(username)

Parenthesis people mostly because I think they're suspicious. Also, I'm very torn between the wagons of serial and mike. They are both so yummy.

[mith]

Mod Note:

Thesp has been prodded.

[Xylthixlm]

I don't understand this post. Why does the color-coded vote count make you give an IGMEO Thesp? Not sure if you realize but the counts are alphabetical and not order of votes cast, if that's what you're going by?

Actually I'm going by who certain dead townies suspected, plus an iso-read of Thesp.

[VP Baltar]

Xyl, thoughts on the ekiM points I made for your convenience?

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl, thoughts on the ekiM points I made for your convenience?

They certainly sound solid.

[elvis_knits]

I don't understand this post. Why does the color-coded vote count make you give an IGMEO Thesp? Not sure if you realize but the counts are alphabetical and not order of votes cast, if that's what you're going by?

Actually I'm going by who certain dead townies suspected, plus an iso-read of Thesp.

You mean Herodotus and Claus? They were masons so it's no suprise they would back each other up like that. I think there was some following going on there.

Can you expand upon what you didn't like in your iso read of Thesp?

[roflcopter]

i'm not really getting xyl's thesp suspicion.

[Xylthixlm]

I don't understand this post. Why does the color-coded vote count make you give an IGMEO Thesp? Not sure if you realize but the counts are alphabetical and not order of votes cast, if that's what you're going by?

Actually I'm going by who certain dead townies suspected, plus an iso-read of Thesp.

You mean Herodotus and Claus? They were masons so it's no suprise they would back each other up like that. I think there was some following going on there.

Can you expand upon what you didn't like in your iso read of Thesp?

He seemed to be avoiding discussion early on. His latest few posts were better.

[Xylthixlm]

i'm not really getting xyl's thesp suspicion.

Meh. I don't have enough to make a case.

[roflcopter]

i'm not really getting xyl's thesp suspicion.

Meh. I don't have enough to make a case.

fair enough. i really don't see anything in that votecount that you posted which makes me go "zomg its thesp." i was hoping you could explain why color coding it gave you that reaction.

[roflcopter]

baltar, if you're not going to come back to the serialclergyman wagon, can you give me a better understanding of why you left it in the first place?

[elvis_knits]

i'm not really getting xyl's thesp suspicion.

Meh. I don't have enough to make a case.

fair enough. i really don't see anything in that votecount that you posted which makes me go "zomg its thesp." i was hoping you could explain why color coding it gave you that reaction.

I know. The only thing that I can think of is that Herodotus was voting thesp, but... uh, that was one vote by a townie. I don't see why it would mean much of anything or what other thing Xyl could be looking at in the votecount.

[roflcopter]

for daytalking masons, claus herodotus and shabba had their votes all over the place

[Xylthixlm]

It wasn't anything in the votecount itself. The votecount was just a jumping-off point for reading.

[VP Baltar]

baltar, if you're not going to come back to the serialclergyman wagon, can you give me a better understanding of why you left it in the first place?

I have a stronger scum read on ekiM and username, though SC's continued neglect here isn't exactly making me

not

want to kill him. Like I said before, I'd like to hear more actual opinions and comments from him so I can either prove or disprove my suspicion.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is anyone around right now?

[Xylthixlm]

baltar, if you're not going to come back to the serialclergyman wagon, can you give me a better understanding of why you left it in the first place?

I have a stronger scum read on ekiM and username, though SC's continued neglect here isn't exactly making me

not

want to kill him. Like I said before, I'd like to hear more actual opinions and comments from him so I can either prove or disprove my suspicion.

That's your problem right there. If I think someone hasn't said enough to form an opinion on them, I lynch them.

[roflcopter]

is anyone around right now?

yo