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Charter asks B&B to address the votes on him. B&B says there is no case. Says Elvis is ignoring the case on her. The interesting here is how B&B avoids the points against him. Why did he hold back his vote in 100? Why did he put it on in 102 after a prod? He doesn't answer these concerns. He doesn't even acknowledge them. He acts like the only part is where he says "The Xyl wagon will continue without me". He's ignoring legitimate questions about his play.
Charter says as much, B&B waffles.
Claus in 157 makes a case on Elvis that makes no sense to me. Bandwagoning on someone is fine. Calling it malicious is absurd. Elvis's attack on KMD simply isn't OMGUS.
Tajo wrote:Claus, I actually have a different meta from Mikescum. Can you point me to that game?
He means Chosen. You were in that, too.
Tajo says Elvis wagon is bad, asks if anyone will join him on it. Votes me. What?
Xyl says B&B doesn't feel scum, calls out lurkers. Xyl is playing in a minimalist style. Is this usual? Is it acceptable?
164--166 is hardcore :goodposting: from Elvis.
Herodotus against B&B wagon, Thesp for.
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Yos 175 continues voting Shabba, says the wagon he'd join would be the Xyl one. Nobody was voting Xyl. Not paying attention? Why?
zu_Faul 184 is going with the flow. Says his vote for Elvis is in the right place, and yet he's less certain of Elvis-scum. Also he likes all current bandwagons. This is no contribution at all.
B&B 187--188 still dismissing the case on him. Not good.
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Ojanen's 208 is good. Elvis wagon bad, B&B wagon good. I agree.
... 209 Xyl votes Ojanen without reasons.
B&B STILL just dismissing the wagon.
zu_Faul still saying not much and dismissing the B&B wagon.
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B&B 235, 237, 245 are just.... awful. Pretty sure he's scum. Worst thing: trying to discredit the Xyl+B&B not scum together line. What is the townie motivation?
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zu_Faul still not saying much, defending B&B quietly.
Shabba is inexperienced town.
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zu_Faul 280 is horrific. Says spotlight should be on players doing scummy things. Names Shabba as inexperienced not scum. Says Xyl is moving too much. Says Herod shouldn't lurker hunt. Says I'm scummy for being V/LA. Says B&B initial accusations were not bad. And yet we shouldn't be pressuring B&B? What? Why on Earth not?
B&B gets pressed for a claim at L-2. I thought this was premature but I see people were holding back their votes through caution.
IAUN comes back after being prodded. I actually forgot he was in the game. Also SerialClergyMan. V/LA? Or hardcore lurking.
IAUN supports B&B wagon and claim. No idea why he votes roflcopter.
294--297, B&B claims vanilla townie. Says he still doesn't understand the case on him. It was laid out pretty clearly. Claus asked him for top five scummy players, he responded with: "there's probably at least one or two scum who are subtly joining the wagon on me. I'm not sure about which person it is, I need to think about this.", which is spectacularly useless.
Now, he asks for time to defend himself and name scummy players before being hammered. OK. 28th of August?! No.
I was pretty convinced B&B was scum, vanilla claim does nothing to dissuade my vote.
KMD unvotes because B&B claimed vanilla. Major red flag here. What claim wouldn't you unvote for, then? Pushes the next biggest wagon, Elvis. Bad bad bad.
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B&B goes on a lurker hunt. What the heck? You should be defending yourself or naming a scumlist. This is terrible.
Ojanen unvotes too. Seems to be asking for time though, not calling B&B town. Not so bad.
Yos votes B&B. Good.
B&B says Yos is scummy for voting him. No.
Claus says he will not take the time to try and defuse the wagon on B&B because B&B is not helping himself. Ask for a list of scummy players. Scatterguns "Vote: Yos - I would also be happy voting Thesp or Ekim. I would not mind a Xyl, E_K or SerialClergy wagon.". This is precisely an attempt to defuse the B&B wagon, and the targets don't make any sense to me. Bad.
Elvis is on B&B. Good.
IAUN on B&B good.
Baltar avoids commenting on much.
Ojanen wrote:Do you think the paragraph under the last quote in roflcopter 298 is a valid scumtell?
It was said that Xyl + B&B scum together is unlikely. Scum-B&B has much more motivation to undermine this than town-B&B does, so I do think it's a scumtell, yes.
B&B is terrible all over this page.
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B&B makes another lurker list. I really don't know what to say at this point. This guy needs to die.
363 zu_faul says stalling the game is a bad idea. He also says his usual scum hunting tactic is to slow down the game. The fuck?
Thesp says Herod is a B&B prtner, Herod wants to lynch Thesp?
Herod says a wagon on me would be good. Well, if it can defuse the B&B wagon...
Elvis wrote:
As scum, have you ever claimed vanilla?
Yes.
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Claus is very disappointed in B&B, still trying to start other wagons.
B&B is finally actually posting some of what he was asked for days ago. Sadly it's no good.
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wagon on me bad, b&b defence bad. lynch b&b. Mind is kind of frazzled so I'm stopping now and posting this monstrosity of a post un-edited. more later.
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TL;DR: B&B is scum and needs to die. zu_faul has posted way too little and weak and defended B&B. Attempts to deflect the B&B wagon now are terrible (KMD, Claus, Xyl(?), Herod). I find it funny how several people can suddenly get the idea together to vote me _before_ I have time to respond to everything that was said.
Well, that took a while. I'm pretty exhausted, website is still loading damnably slowly. It will probably take me a couple more re-reads to be totally up to speed but I am going to be all over this game, it's very interesting. Latersss.