Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

[GIEFF]

Who are your scumbuddies, jammer? If you tell us, we'll lynch them first. Be a good chap. You've caused enough harm. What with all the killing.

[Kmd4390]

I think I'm missing something I asked Kmd and didn't think of the last time, but the lack of him is also disturbing. I'd definitely like to know if that vote analysis is a paper tiger - I remember his Battle Mage vote (which he based on said vote analysis) was justified by something else entirely when I asked.

Actually, my BM vote was based on his defeatist attitude after just 2 votes, not the analysis.

GIEFF, VC analysis is Vote Count Analysis. I did it earlier and it gave

BM

, Black, Alex, Zach, GIEFF, and Jammer as the most likely scum candidates if I remember correctly. My VC analysis ignores context and looks purely at the end of day vote counts. I've found it quite effective in the past.

Vote Battle Mage because conspiracies are fun. Actually,

my VC analysis had him as scum

and his reaction to 2 votes is just terrible.

, etc.

Ok, you're right. Must have forgotten.

The rest of my catchup comes later.

[Vi]

Most people are scummier than Vi. Everyone but you. Maybe Benmage.

I like how i've become accepted town by so many. I feel satisfied and accomplished. Like i did something right. Maybe i did something terribly wrong it became right .

There is a flip side to transparency, y'know...
If you're notTown, it's just as easy to find you.

I'd like to wait for Kmd to finish before placing a vote, as long as I don't have to wait for very long.

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

Debonair Danny DiPietro (3): Battle Mage, SpyreX, jammer
Battle Mage (2): alexhans, Debonair Danny DiPietro
SensFan (1): Benmage
SpyreX (1): Zachrulez
Benmage (1): SensFan
jammer (1): GIEFF

Not Voting: Vi, Kmd4390

6 to lynch

[Kmd4390]

Prodded. I am way behind. I probably won't get to this game until tomorrow night.

Definitely dubious.
You know why. I know why. Unfortunately, I can't tell anyone else why.

I actually don't.

@Everyone:

1) If you could lynch 2 players at the same time (Assuming we had even numbers and it wouldn't lose us the game in case of 2 mislynches) who would they be? Why?
2) Choose the most probable town player between this 3 (BM, DDD, SF) and state why.

1) BM for his defeatedness and Zach for the stuff I pointed out in one of my other catch-up posts.
2) Sens. I've gotten a town read on him all game.

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Page 97 when I have time.

[SpyreX]

So GIEFF why is Jammer scum?

Nice and clear, since I'm seeing scum-by-association logic (that thing you've harped on me so much about) in regards to not comparing DDD and myself under the same grounds?

[Vi]

ITT, a conspicuous lack of Battle Mage. A certain sitewide rule is seriously hindering my style right now.

Also, Kmd continues to deliver at a rate normally associated with ketchup coming out of a bottle. I understand time constraints, etc., but get to the stuff that matters.

@SpyreX: I'm not seeing scum-by-association logic. Not with the better part of the case, at least.

[SpyreX]

I'm looking at this discourse of not applying the same standards to DDD and I and the natural exposition that GIEFF thinks DDD is town and I am scum so if Jammer thinks DDD is scum and I am town...

As for BM, yes. Although, said sitewide rule could be applied on both sides thus far.

[Vi]

I'm looking at this discourse of not applying the same standards to DDD and I and the natural exposition that GIEFF thinks DDD is town and I am scum so if Jammer thinks DDD is scum and I am town...

That's not the "better part" of the case IMO...

Although, said sitewide rule could be applied on both sides thus far.

?

[SpyreX]

Thats the point I keep seeing belabored into the ground in the last couple pages - the "extra" tells via me and DDD.

I haven't seen anything of BM sans putting up the locked thread for his new game, so...

[Vi]

Thats the point I keep seeing belabored into the ground in the last couple pages - the "extra" tells via me and DDD.

Tell me if this is about right, because this deep understanding is the result of PowerSkimming^TM.
---
jammer: So DDD is scum because of this and this, along with a more full case I'll put together later.
<later>
GIEFF: So what full case?
jammer: lol, what full case? I got bored.
GIEFF: So... do you have any more points than the ones you offered?
jammer: What was wrong with the two I mentioned earlier? (implication: I don't even know where to begin with the other points!)
GIEFF: k

vote

jammer: retard, lrn2read
GIEFF: lol u
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That the case involves you or DDD in particular really doesn't matter.

I haven't seen anything of BM sans putting up the locked thread for his new game, so...

Lots of preparation for that game, nothing going on here. His last post ITT was Tuesday, and you know he's been around. I'm calling lurk-mode, since with

three

two people calling for his lynch and a few more who wouldn't be opposed to it, there's reasonable incentive for him to not be here.

[SpyreX]

I keep seeing an emphasis on jammer not applying the same logic to both DDD and I as a push.

... his last post was Tuesday? That's a bit different.

Anywho, the wife is demanding summer cleaning. Weep for me.

[Vi]

Anywho, the wife is demanding summer cleaning. Weep for me.

*checks*
Once again I terribly misjudge age over the Internet.

[SpyreX]

How old did you think I AM?

Sheesh

[Vi]

How old did you think I AM?

Sheesh

My age, give or take.

[Kmd4390]

Also, Kmd continues to deliver at a rate normally associated with ketchup coming out of a bottle. I understand time constraints, etc., but get to the stuff that matters.

Yeah I went to hang out with this girl today and just got home and I guess we might go bowling in like 2 hours. I'll see what I can do before then.

How old did you think I AM?

Sheesh

You're about 5 years older than I thought.

How old did you think I AM?

Sheesh

My age, give or take.

You're a couple years older than I thought too.

Ok on to catching up now.

[SpyreX]

Hmm. I guess I'm young at heart (or words).

KMD more actual catching up and less banter. Only the caught up may banter. Its in the rules.

(As an aside you were both about where I would have guessed so).

[Kmd4390]

Why would you say "them" and not some form of "I" if you are implying a town loss?

This is a good point.

I agree.

EBWOP: also, it's probably not gonna be my defeat if BM survives and he is scum... so yeah, fuck THEM, let THEM lose is totally correct...

So you are scum with BM?

Hmmmmm. You used town in a "them" context. That actually is interesting.

Actually, it looked like he was using Sens and DDD in a "them" context, calling them town. Alex, do you have town reads on Sens and Triple-D?

If this is accurate, it's a slip that Sens and DDD are town.

DDD is practically impossible to read...

The second someone reads their Role PM, they are no longer "impossible" to read. Whatever action they take communicates something about their role. Yes, I'm claiming the ability to read players like Zwet and Empking. Ok, so I'm wrong once in a while, but I can read them just as well as I can read anyone else. So no, DDD isn't impossible to read.

Unvote: SensFan
Vote: Battle Mage

(L-2)

A Kmd lynch would be about equivalent IMO.

Why?

For one, I know he's lurking aboot.
For two, he's yet to explain this vote count analysis that's driving his actions.

Lurking has happened in all of my games due to RL.
What do I still need to explain about the analysis?

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Ok, caught up now.

Lynches I'd definitely support:
Zach
BM

Lynches I'd support if the first two can't happen:
Alex
Jammer
Spy

Lynch I'd reluctantly support if absolutely needed:
Sens

Lynches I refuse to support:
GIEFF
Benmage
Vi
Kmd

^All in order. Scum at top. Town at bottom.

[Kmd4390]

KMD more actual catching up and less banter. Only the caught up may banter. Its in the rules.

Banter is quick and easy though, so I do that and then catch up.

[Battle Mage]

unvote

I see i'm a popular little boy.

Will catch up soonish.

BM

[Kmd4390]

Oh, forgot to

Vote Zach

.

[alexhans]

Busy day... I'll read and post tomorrow...

[Vi]

Hmm. I guess I'm young at heart (or words).

You know what they say about age being mandatory and maturity being optional.

Why

[would your lynch be equivalent to Battle Mage's]

?

Lurking is serious business. Specifically:

Lurking has happened in all of my games due to RL.

While I'm not denying this, I have to question the varying extents of said lurking. (Plus, it's not lurking if you're not actually there, right?)

What do I still need to explain about the analysis?

What

have

you explained about the analysis?

unvote

Will catch up soonish.

You said that last time too.

[SpyreX]

You know what they say about age being mandatory and maturity being optional.

Are you saying I'm immature! OFFENENDED.

No, I dig. I figured I'd be a bit more what I thought adults were by 28. I chose, instead, to be awesome.

@KMD:

Why Gieff in your "town" list?

Actually, at least a line or two on each and why they are where they are?

[Zachrulez]

KMD, how does my play in this game compare to my play in open 150?

Curious about what you think here.