Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)


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Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:05 pm

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It’s the beginning of the ski season in Italy, which means the chance for some winter fun without the crowds. Sixteen of you were lucky enough to get some time off work, and booked time at a delightful resort in the Apennine Mountains outside of Acerno. The Wednesday was a perfect ski day, with light snow on and off through the day. As you settled in for the evening, the snow turned much heavier, and through the night you could hear ominous rumbling.

You wake in the morning to find you’ve been snowed in. Most of the resort staff have not returned from their homes. Those that stayed overnight have been butchered in the kitchen…

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SensFan
Debonair Danny DiPietro
Kmd4390 (replacing broomhead)
SpyreX
Zachrulez


Dead:

hasdgfas, Townie, killed Night 1
Mastin, Townie, lynched Day 1
VP Baltar, Townie, killed Night 2
Cephrir, Townie, lynched Day 2
camn, Townie, killed Night 3
GIEFF, Townie, lynched Day 3
Vi (replacing blackcatcontract, who replaced Kairyuu), Townie, killed Night 4
jammer, Townie, lynched Day 4
alexhans, Townie, killed Night 5
Benmage, Townie, lynched Day 5
Last edited by Yaw on Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:50 pm, edited 21 times in total.
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:11 pm

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The Rules:
(Stolen from MeMe, then modified)

• Votes must be in bold. If you do not bold your vote, it will not be counted.
• Please be attentive and unvote, if necessary, before casting a new vote. This is not required – all votes will count – but it is appreciated.
• Lynches will require a simple majority of votes. Once a player has reached the necessary majority, his pleas are useless and any attempts to unvote will be unheeded. You may vote: no lynch – majority votes of this kind are necessary to end the day without a death.
• This game will have regular 4-week deadlines. The number of votes required to lynch will not be changed at deadline.
• The game is not to be discussed outside of the thread.
• Once you have been killed, stop typing.
• Don’t edit/delete previously submitted posts.
• Don’t use smaller-than-normal text, invisible text, or any other board tag-related way of encoding extra information in your posts.
• Don’t quote private messages from the mod.
• If you have a night choice to make, it is due by the posted deadline. I will mod-prod if necessary 24 hours prior to a night deadline, but I will not wait for you – if you do not submit a choice to me, tough! No choice will be made.
• If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period, please post a notice to that effect in the thread and/or PM me. Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.
• I reserve the right to change or adapt these rules if necessary to respond to players trying to compromise the integrity of this game.
• Remember, it’s a game. It’s supposed to played. It’s supposed to be fun. Do your part.

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This game contains only Townies and Mafia. The Townie role PM reads:
The Mod wrote:You are a townie.

The game thread is located at http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11845 Please confirm by PM.
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:22 pm

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Role PMs have been sent. Please confirm by PM. There will be time given for Night 1 after all the confirms are in, but Mafia are welcome to start talking as soon as they have confirmed.
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:38 pm

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All confirms have been received. Thank you for doing this so quickly.

It is now Night 1. Night will last until
Wednesday, July 8 at midnight Eastern Time
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:02 pm

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The snow and blowing wind continues through a fitful night. When the grey morning comes, you wander down to the kitchen. Breakfast has been laid out for you. There is hot Italian coffee, bread with jam, and over on the sideboard where the meats would normally go, the body of your fellow guest hasdgfas lies cold with his throat cut.

While half your number inspect the body to try to find any clues, the rest hurriedly bundle up to head outside. It is quickly apparent you won’t find anything of use without professional forensics equipment and training. The murderer has cleaned up well, and you are unable to even figure out which of the many knives in the kitchen was used as a weapon. In fact, there is nothing at all to distinguish the victim from any other guest.

Worse news awaits when the group comes back inside. The roads are still blocked, and the only footprints to be found were the ones they made. The murderer, or murderers, is still among you. The only way to ensure your survival is to find them.

hasdgfas, Townie, killed Night 1


It is now Day 1. With 15 alive, it will take 8 to lynch. The deadline for today will be
Thursday, August 6 at midnight Eastern Time
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Also, please note that SpyreX is on LA until July 20.
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:13 pm

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Vote: VP BALTHAR


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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:22 pm

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Interesting choice. Has wouldn't be my choice with players I know; you can auto-clear me from picking the kill, as I would definitely try to lead as mafia and would have to be overridden by someone who I respect highly as a player and recognize the skill of to not nk another pro-town player.

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Bolded I've either played with, or know by reputation. (More than I thought...)

I will look up which players have played with hasdgfas, as they are most likely scum.

'Til then, I'll do what I always do in the RVS:

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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:25 pm

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vote: alexhans


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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:28 pm

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To note,

Battle Mage--a couple games here and there; 688, 763, and a few ongoing.

Sensfan--1 ongoing.

Alexhans--doesn't matter how many; he gained my respect in 735 and it only grew by the time of M. 91, HATPF.

GIEFF--Mentioned the account on EM, which I have played a great deal with on there. None on MS.net, but still a good deal on EM.

Cephrir --The name on EM is familiar. I also have seen Cephrir briefly on MS.net.

VP Baltar -- A few games here and there. Great scum player; got nominated for a scummy because of it.

Kairyuu -- 145 got my respect; it never left.

camn -- Saw in Medieval Mafia (browsed first eighty; watched everything after that), Saving Nasubi.

SpyreX -- Forget where, but there are a lot.

jammer -- EM.

The rest, I might've played with, but the above are the only ones who left great impressions on me as good enough players to override whoever I'd decide to night-kill. Anyway, off to the hasdgfas analysis. Wiki, anyone? :)
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:50 pm

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Vote: Kairyuu


He was mean to me in the sign-up thread.
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:55 pm

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Battle Mage.

Battle Mage again.

BM again.

I'm seeing a pattern, here. You?

Seriously, BM, how many games with him have you played?!?

Can't find any more, but I'm fairly sure Camn saw him in Medieval as well, so Camn and BM, from what I can tell.

Mastin Unvotes: Mastin,
Mastin Votes: Battle Mage
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Who else would perform the kill?

Kai wrote:vote: alexhans

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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:56 pm

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Deb wrote:Vote: Kairyuu

He was mean to me in the sign-up thread.
Eh, fair enough, but I wouldn't recommend a random vote for very long. I'm killing the RVS without using my favorite tactics. ;)
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:58 pm

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I've played with Hascow before and he was not a very active scum player... at least in that game. Maybe it was because the town had 80 % of lynchable material (Empking, Zwets, Dejkha, Wall-e and Hewitt). Anyway... If I had to kill... knowing there were no protections whatsoever... I would've killed... sensfan? Mastin? someone random that I don't know? Probably I wouldn't have had a voice in a scumteam.... :P

Anyway... 16 playing... 25 % means 4 scum. 31.25 % is 5 scum... too much...
also... the n0 kill was unstoppable.. so we should count 15 playing... 33.33 % is unlikely

What I assume:
15 mislynch 14 L-8 (scum is 50 % of a lynching waggon)
14 kill 13
13 mislynch 12 L-7 (scum is 57 % of a lynching waggon)
12 kill 11
11 mislynch 10 L-6 (scum is 66.7 % of a lynching waggon)
10 kill 9
9 mislynch 8 L-5 (scum is 80 % of a lynching waggon)

we can basically mislynch 4 times (MAX). This is going to be one LONG game...



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this is funny...
I'm tempted to vote VP Baltar because he is always scum...
I'm tempted to vote Mastin for self voting...
I'm tempted to vote Kai to OMGUS... :P
I'm tempted to vote camn because she is voting her fianceé
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New postPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:02 am (Yaw posted the first post of the game)
I'm researching who to vote...

well...
Vote broomhead
because he is probably hiding among unknown players.

Mastin posted again while I was writing this... and DDD too...
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:06 pm

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Alex wrote:I've played with Hascow before and he was not a very active scum player... at least in that game. Maybe it was because the town had 80 % of lynchable material (Empking, Zwets, Dejkha, Wall-e and Hewitt). Anyway... If I had to kill... knowing there were no protections whatsoever... I would've killed... sensfan? Mastin? someone random that I don't know? Probably I wouldn't have had a voice in a scumteam....
You're too good to be scum. :P

But, yea, you'd kill me; I'm almost certain of it. ;)
Bolded I've either played with, or know by reputation.
You've never played with/known Battle Mage? Wow. :P
I'm tempted to vote VP Baltar because he is always scum...
Mm-hm. ;)
I'm tempted to vote Mastin for self voting...
I always do that. ;)
I'm tempted to vote Kai to OMGUS...
Do it! :P
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Yea, I'm your n0 recruit. :P
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I'm researching who to vote...
I wasn't at the computer at the time day started, nor the time thread opened. In theory, I would've had plenty of time to contact scum partners, though.
well... Vote broomhead because he is probably hiding among unknown players.
I prefer voting experienced players--inexperienced players can just get replaced by experienced players. :P
Mastin posted again while I was writing this... and DDD too...
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:09 pm

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By the way, I just killed the RVS. In your next post, either get out of it, or die. ;)
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:17 pm

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Note my sig :P

Actually,I dig and agree with Mastin's review. With this having no power roles the basic idea is going to be a lobotomization from the scum.

So, who would think of hasgafads as a key lobotomy point?

However, the tinfoil says that Mastin as scum could go the brazen I wouldn't do this as scum because it would be awesome.
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:22 pm

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And how would you know?
Cause I wrote that post and was researching the profiles of the players... and found DDD had been active AFTER Yaw's 1st post... so I went back to the thread and found your posts...
Mastin wrote:By the way, I just killed the RVS. In your next post, either get out of it, or die. ;)
Im glad... but people should still vote eventually... For a reason... but vote. We can not afford lurkers (active or not) or inactivity...
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:27 pm

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Spy wrote:Note my sig
Lynch scum not mafia?
Your record?
Proud member of BaM?

Oh, right. V/LA... :P
Actually,I dig and agree with Mastin's review.
Hey, hasdgfas! Update your wiki to make it easier!
Thanks, Spy. ;)
With this having no power roles the basic idea is going to be a lobotomization from the scum.
Meaning only those who have played with hasdgfas could've suggested the kill, hence, narrows down our suspects. It most likely would be an experienced player, like BM.

Hence, BM is scum.
And, no, we're not waiting 'til Day Three to make sure. :P
So, who would think of hasgafads as a key lobotomy point?
Anyone who played with him before and liked his play.
However, the tinfoil says that Mastin as scum could go the brazen I wouldn't do this as scum because it would be awesome.
True, for wifom purposes, I might, but truth is, I probably would've killed Alex or an EM player. Maybe Kai instead. ;)
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:29 pm

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Alex wrote:Cause I wrote that post and was researching the profiles of the players... and found DDD had been active AFTER Yaw's 1st post... so I went back to the thread and found your posts...
...You were looking at all of our latest posts? <_<
Im glad... but people should still vote eventually... For a reason... but vote. We can not afford lurkers (active or not) or inactivity...
Aye. I agree. Which is why we need to scum hunt. Look for who would kill the cow.
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:40 pm

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Mastin wrote: Look for who would kill the cow.
^^this.

I don't think Hascow was killed for lobotomy. . . no offense intended, but there are some pretty heavy hitters on the playerlist.
Unless they are ALL scum, I think hascow was picked for a different reason.

VP? what is your opinion of Hascow as a player?
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:53 pm

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Hmm. My first Large Normal, and my first Night Start all in one. Mmk. I do believe that I'll follow Mastin and alexhans' lead.

Battle Mage

SensFan

alexhans

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Cephrir

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Debonair Danny DiPietro

Kairyuu

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SpyreX

Zachrulez

Benmage

Mastin

jammer

Same deal as the others. Bolded represents players I have played with or know by reputation. New stuff as follows. Italics represent people who I would expect to try to direct the scum kill if they were scum, and, of the italics, underlined represent the people who I think would have other people at higher kill priority than hascow.

Explanations:

Mastin: Does not know hascow, so would not be too keen on killing him.

Myself: I know hascow from one ongoing game, but would put Sens, BM, and Mastin much higher on the "to kill" list than I would put him.

DDD: After running through a list of his games I only found one (his first newbie game) that he played with hascow. DDD was scum, and hascow was town and an IC. hascow was not NKed until the Night after DDD was lynched (D3 and N3 specifically) so it is highly unlikely that DDD would find hascow to be a good target now when he didn't back then and hasn't played with him since.

camn: His last post suggests that he would view other players as higher priority kills than hascow.

That leaves Sens and BM. I'll have to do some more research on both of them (tomorrow, as it's reeeally late right now) before I choose, but the likelyhood is high that at least one of those two is the scum who picked out hascow for the N1 kill.

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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:00 pm

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For what it matters, I know Mastin, GIEFF and Spyrex from EM. Spyrex to long ago to remember his playing style. :/
And I played in my newb game with VP Baltar.

Mastin you plan using meta to see who killed the cow, while you already made clear scum can easily wifom the meta. With that, there only has to be one that played with hascow, to know him and kill him. You think(and others?) talking about meta, is a better way to find scum, then simple scumhunting?


Ignores the supposed killing of RVS of Mastin.

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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:06 pm

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@jammer: You prefer scumhunting? Here's some scumhunting for you.

vote: jammer


Attempting to extend the RVS is scummy as hell. I can cite a number of completed games where the person/people attempting to extend the RVS were scum.
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:22 pm

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Camn wrote:I don't think Hascow was killed for lobotomy. . . no offense intended, but there are some pretty heavy hitters on the playerlist.
Unless they are ALL scum, I think hascow was picked for a different reason.

VP? what is your opinion of Hascow as a player?
He had to be picked off by someone who knows him, unless the scum were submitting a completely random kill (extremely doubtful).
Kai wrote:Hmm. My first Large Normal, and my first Night Start all in one. Mmk. I do believe that I'll follow Mastin and alexhans' lead.
Wow, I didn't know I was that popular. :P
Mastin: Does not know hascow, so would not be too keen on killing him.
Technically, I don't know him, but I've seen him around. (Read: browsing first eighty pages of Medieval Mafia, GD threads, etc.) Don't think that'd count, though.
Myself: I know hascow from one ongoing game, but would put Sens, BM, and Mastin much higher on the "to kill" list than I would put him.
Aye. As would I. Plus EM players, Alex, and instead of me, you.

(One of these days, I so totally want to ask a mod if I can nk myself as scum to create confusion and for the hilarity, but, well, I'm not scum this game and that'd do no good. ;))
DDD was scum, and hascow was town and an IC. hascow was not NKed until the Night after DDD was lynched (D3 and N3 specifically) so it is highly unlikely that DDD would find hascow to be a good target now when he didn't back then and hasn't played with him since.
Valid point.
camn: His last post suggests that he would view other players as higher priority kills than hascow.
Her. Her last post, unless Camn's profile is lying about gender.

And, well, Camn's actually at spot #2 on my scumspect post; something seems off already and Camn definitely has played with has.
That leaves Sens and BM.
I did a metagaming read on Sensfan and am familiar to some extent with his Newbie Game meta, but outside of Newbie games, I am not, and so, need to do research on that as well.

I do, however, think BM would submit said kill. He's good at wifom and all of that stuff.
Then again, he has a history of killing good players. I've seen him twice as scum. 688, it was the pro-town player, no-kill, kill of person attacking the player (Need a term for that. OMGUS+Chainsaw NK? :P), and then a no-kill again.
763, it was me (pro-town player, nailed the other scum), and then, he was lynched.

It all depends on the links I gave where BM played with has, I guess; did he think that has was a good player then?
I'll have to do some more research on both of them (tomorrow, as it's reeeally late right now) before I choose, but the likelyhood is high that at least one of those two is the scum who picked out hascow for the N1 kill.
Aye. I agree mostly, but I'd place camn on that list as well and disagree with that read of yours.
Jammer wrote:For what it matters, I know Mastin, GIEFF and Spyrex from EM.
Replace Mastin with Jammer, you've got mine. ;) We've got a little EM cult going around these days. :P
Spyrex to long ago to remember his playing style. :/
Yea, I remember Spy from EM, but know him better for MS.net.
Mastin you plan using meta to see who killed the cow,
Yup. Good plan, no?
while you already made clear scum can easily wifom the meta.
And where'd I say that, Jammer?
With that, there only has to be one that played with hascow, to know him and kill him.
Still doesn't eliminate the fact that one of the people who knows him had to have killed him.
You think(and others?) talking about meta, is a better way to find scum, then simple scumhunting?
Better than the RVS. We essentially skipped it with the metagaming scumhunting. Relying on scum hunting is what we'll eventually do. But for now, Meta rules.
And anyone who gets rid of metagaming as an argument with our current kill is going to instantly be labeled more likely to be scum from me.
Ignores the supposed killing of RVS of Mastin.
I *hate* the RVS, Jammer. I do my best every game to kill it as quickly as possible. Ask...*looks at player list*

Battle Mage,
alexhans,
VP Baltar,
or
Kairyuu.

And I dislike those who try to extend it when it is clear we've already begun to leave it already.
Vote: SensFan
For replacing out in comfirmation stage in my other game.
Something in this post screams "bussing" to me.

Scumspects:

Battle Mage,
Camn,
SensFan,
Jammer.

I think I might've gotten the quickest scum-read yet! Yay for scum hunting; I found four scum! :P
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