/in-vitational 2 - Chosen, Karaoke - Game over! before 830

[Zorblag]

Troll now be waiting to see what Cojin (and others) will do before Troll makes any moves with Troll's vote. Troll be willing to switch but Troll no yet feels compelled to.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Nikanor]

The major issue with Mitey is that this isn't the first time she's played this style of game.

If that's true, then her mistake is actually a scumslip, and a pretty bad one at that.

Unvote. Vote: MiteyMouse

Cojin, you are still on my scumlist for lurking. Improve, or feel the wrath of my vote (again).

[Incognito]

Vote Count #12 of Day 1

hohum (2) <-~ MiteyMouse, Sajin
Sajin (1) <-~ hohum
MiteyMouse (2) <-~ Zorblag, Nikanor
Papa Zito (1) <-~ qwints
Cojin (1) <-~ Papa Zito

Not voting (2) <-~ Cojin, Scien

With 9 living, 5 will do it.

Friday, August 21st at 9 P.M. EDT.

[Papa Zito]

Sigh. Nobody's cooperating.

We already have Mitey dead to rights. Can we please pressure someone else to generate some more info before this day ends? TIA.

[Nikanor]

A pressure vote means nothing if you say you're going to lynch someone else anyway.

[Zorblag]

Hmm, looking back at page 13 in retrospect it strikes Troll as a bit odd that the two who be asking Troll to convince them to join the wagon Troll be on are hohum and Sajin. Troll needs to think about that a bit.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[MiteyMouse]

Hi guys...I am here. I'm just catching up on my games and one I got really far behind on. I will put up my thoughts today though...please be patient with me.

[Papa Zito]

A pressure vote means nothing if you say you're going to lynch someone else anyway.

I never said we couldn't lynch Cojin today. Mitey will still be there tomorrow.

[Sajin]

A pressure vote means nothing if you say you're going to lynch someone else anyway.

I never said we couldn't lynch Cojin today. Mitey will still be there tomorrow.

How do you know Mitey will be here tomorrow?

[Nikanor]

Sorry PZ, I think I misunderstood this:

We already have Mitey dead to rights.

[Papa Zito]

No worries Nikanor.

Mitey will still be there tomorrow.

How do you know Mitey will be here tomorrow?

If she's scum like I think she is, she'll be here tomorrow.

[Cojin]

Sorry I ahve hit by the fringe (a festival in my city causing work to be suicide) and sickness at the same time, post comming when im not wishing death on everything.

[MiteyMouse]

So Papa..if you believe that I'm Scum, why are you not voting for me?

[Zorblag]

Troll be off for the evening to either read some Lovecraft or watch some Twin Peaks depending on what others in Troll's cave want to do. Before Troll goes Troll will say, "Really, that be what Cojin and MiteyMouse had to post in response to what's happened the past couple days? Troll can maybe understand Cojin if him get back to the thread with some actual content soon, maybe. Troll be shocked that this all MiteyMouse has to say at this time though."

Troll will mean that too.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[MiteyMouse]

I'm still working on it Zorblag...

[MiteyMouse]

First off guys, I got a bit heated and had to step away from this game and then real life came up. I don't often overheat and I am sorry that you all had to be witness to it. I'm terribly embarassed with my actions thus far in the game.

Now, Zorblag...you have said several times that you think that I'm unlikely to be the chosen. I'm wondering why this is? I don't think that I'd be likely to be excluded in this game. My play on Day 1 (all Day 1s) is weak to say the least and I'm usually a pretty easy early game lynch. One of my mods actually told me that I'm a nightmare early on in games...hehehe! I'm just curious as to why you would think this. Since we're on the topic, who do you believe that the chosen could be?

[hohum]

speculating on who may or may not be the chosen one is going to do us a disservice. It requires some scum gaming which leads to WIFOM.

We need to lynch sajin.

That's about all I have left to say.

[Papa Zito]

So Papa..if you believe that I'm Scum, why are you not voting for me?

I'm trying to find your partner.

hohum, stop tunneling plz. There are other people in this game.

[qwints]

I need to check MM's meta, but this behavior (stalling and AtE) strikes me as quite unusual for a player of her experience. Cojin has also been scummy by failing to follow up on his earlier activity.
PZ has done nothing in the last pages to worsen my impression of him, so my vote is likely to move in the near future.

@cojin,
1)Do you think MM's comments about town win condition are a genuine scum slip?
2)Do you think MM was likely to have been vetoed by the scum?
3)Do you think PZ's comment about MM being here tomorrow was a scum slip?

[Zorblag]

Now, Zorblag...you have said several times that you think that I'm unlikely to be the chosen. I'm wondering why this is? I don't think that I'd be likely to be excluded in this game. My play on Day 1 (all Day 1s) is weak to say the least and I'm usually a pretty easy early game lynch. One of my mods actually told me that I'm a nightmare early on in games...hehehe! I'm just curious as to why you would think this. Since we're on the topic, who do you believe that the chosen could be?

Troll thought Troll had said previously, but in any case, Troll will use your words here:

MiteyMouse's play Day 1 is weak to say the least and she would be a pretty easy lynch. Before Troll's vote there were no serious or sustained attacks on MiteyMouse. If MiteyMouse was the chosen Troll expected there to be more action against her sooner. The scum could have been holding off to be clever but no lynch be danger free and Troll likes this one.

Troll no be at all sure who the chosen be. Troll has been ruling some out as likely suspects (including MiteyMouse and Troll) but the exclusion be limited enough not to be that usable this time through. Troll would rather not list the others just now as the scum no needs to see what sort of behavior to avoid to stop people from making the list.

speculating on who may or may not be the chosen one is going to do us a disservice. It requires some scum gaming which leads to WIFOM.

That be true to a minor degree but exactly the same thing could be said about speculating about who the scum be. Troll thinks that doing both in this game be worthwhile with the caveat that it be a bit more valuable not to be quite so vocal about who be unlikely or likely to be the chosen until later as the scum can react to that. Completely throwing out chosen speculation would be to ignore the fact that the scum need to get one of two players lynched. We can use that both to figure out who the scum be and who the chosen be likely to be; both be helpful.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[hohum]

Zorblag: You're wrong. The difference is that there's no way to pick up "chosen tells" from the town because the chosen doesn't know that he is chosen. Scum tells lead us to scum, chosen tells lead us to a loss.

@Zorblag: should I be concerned about YOUR alignment for the purposeful attempt to introduce misdirection?

[Sajin]

Troll I am confused.

1- If you think someone is not likely chosen then that must mean you find someone more likely to be chosen.

2- If you think someone is more likely to be chosen, then you MUST think someone is more likely scum to get chosen reads.

3 If you think someone is more likely scum, why are you not voting that person?


If there is a flaw in this logic, please address the number. Thanks.

[Zorblag]

hohum, we do get scum tells from the scum but we don't get chosen tells from the chosen. That much be true. What we get in the way of information about the chosen be how the rest of the town be interacting with a particular person. There be interactions from others or lack of them which can indicate that someone be the chosen. Once we start getting flips we'll also be able to look at how people interacted with someone of a known aligment which will be helpful. Scum need to act at least marginally differently towards townies and chosen and this be something that we can use.

You should be concerned about everyone else's alignment if you be town, Troll's included. You of all people in the game should know something about what Troll thinks about how to use this game mechanic. If you think that Troll be trying to misdirect the town in a way that no be consistent with how Troll feels about the mechanic then make your case and Troll will respond to it. Troll be trying to use the tools we have to get a town victory but Troll's interpretation of the tools clearly no be what everyone else sees.

Sajin, Troll thinks that some be less likely to be chosen, that be true. That means that everyone Troll no includes in that list be mroe likely to be the chosen but it no be particular players. The ones that be more likely to be chosen be less likely to be scum by default but putting those two together be the same as saying that those who be less likely to be the chosen be more likely to be scum based on that alone.

As to your point 3, Troll no be sure how to make this clear but Troll will try again.

Troll be voting for one Troll finds likely to be scum in MiteyMouse at this time. Troll has maintained this since Troll started voting for MiteyMouse. There no be any other players that Troll currently thinks be more likely to be scum than MiteyMouse. Cojin be another case to look at but him no be more likely than MiteyMouse to be scum in Troll's reading right now.

Does that help at all?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[hohum]

Zorblag: sorry dude, we're not lynching MM today.

In other news: more sajin lynching please.

[Sajin]

@hohum- are you ever going to respond to my points against you?

@Troll- It does not help, what is scummy about MM besides he is "unlikely chosen"?