Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

Battle Mage (3): alexhans, Zachrulez, Kmd4390
Debonair Danny DiPietro (2): Vi, SpyreX
GIEFF (1): Battle Mage
SensFan (1): GIEFF
SpyreX (1): Debonair Danny DiPietro

Not Voting: SensFan, jammer, Benmage

6 to lynch

[jammer]

@jammer you're not voting. whose summiest for you/who do you want to see lynched?

Lynch preference.
Gieff
DDD
Alex/Zach

@DDD, getting out of Vi posts, you posted in other games while not in this one. Is there any particulair reason this game doesn't get the same attention as others?

That doesn't translate into me and BM setting him up for a mislynch because a.) I dont know his alignment so how the hell could I be "mislynching" him b.) I'm not scum and thusly not scum with BM so how can this be some kind of collusion to push days ahead a mislynch through?

Both assume you're town...(I'm town so the argument I'm scum is wrong)

Not to mention how retarded it would be to get on this train NOW if I was going to push for his mislynch LATER.

You where not on the wagon when you made the statements, but iirc when gieff said you where setting up a mislynch.

@Spyrex, you're telling gieff should've been nightkilled for being active and trying to find scum. As last kill we've got Camn, what confinces you they will be killing the players that are putting a lot of efford into scumhunting next?
Don't you think gieff will continue to live if town, with these suspicions?

[SpyreX]

Of COURSE they assume I'm town because it is my thought process and I know I am town

And I'm saying if this was some great machination why would I spring it for "down the road" instead of calling it out then.

[jammer]

And I'm saying if this was some great machination why would I spring it for "down the road" instead of calling it out then.

What do you mean?(I'm not the quickest)

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@DDD, getting out of Vi posts, you posted in other games while not in this one. Is there any particulair reason this game doesn't get the same attention as others?

I think the combination of early speed and size made me lose association with this game somewhat. It's usually one small thing that'll trigger my feelings one way or another for a player, but the small things are just lost in this game under the huge amount of churn. I think in general I'm going to stay away from large games in the future unless they're interestingly themed.

[Vi]

jammer, why GIEFF?

@DDD: Large games are usually for masochists, for reasons I'm sure you've figured out already.

[alexhans]

Still pretty busy but I'll return to the game ASAP.

It wouldn't be unhealthy that the less active players took the handles of this game for a while...

Jammer: Why am I on your lynching preference? Is it in order?

[SpyreX]

@Jammer:

If my intention was to pull the "he's not dead" for a mislynch why in the hell would I set it up as scum BEFORE I was going to pull the maneuver?

I feel like I'm missing a question still - Vi did you ask me something that I missed?

[Battle Mage]

will post here later.

BM

[alexhans]

Will read BM's post later ^^.

AH

[alexhans]

EBWOP: Still busy but it was too good to miss...

[Battle Mage]

@Battlemage, D1 you voted Alexhans, then changed towards others. You gave as reason back then, there is no support for a Alexhans lynch.
Most of the others you voted wheren't close to being lynched as well. Why not keep the vote on your main-suspect instead of changing votes towards (mainly) lesser suspects?

There's a difference between people not being close to a lynch, and clearly not going to be lynched at all. At the time, i was annoyed that Alexhans was being protected so avidly by people who he had invited into the game. It had the feel of a conspiracy about it. So i felt a change was in order.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@Battle Mage and the "quicklynch": Yes, Battle Mage was not voting Cephrir at the end of D2. No, he didn't have the chance to do so once the wagon started picking up speed.

This would be a really good time for Battle Mage to post one of his 25-post marathons.

I actually cba. This game needs 1 thing atm- a lynch. The discussion is now going nowhere, and with so many new people posting lots, it's pretty hard to get into. I'm concerned that the people defending me are scum, and the people attacking me are town, but i cant attack the people defending me, because then i get lynched. Equally, there's no point me continuing to attack the people attacking me, because i wouldn't expect anyone else to read the arguments anyway, and to be quite honest, i've got no idea who is scum. lol

Jammer still feels like an awesome lynch. Objectively speaking, i feel that if Gieff is scum, he probably deserves to win given the amount of work he has put in, but he just seems really scummy lately.
I'm not sold on anyone as town.

If people genuinely feel a case, i think the best thing to do, is to just post it concisely here, and then i'll read all the cases and vote accordingly. I may as well keep my vote on Gieff in the meantime.

BM

[alexhans]

Question: Are you the same Battle Mage who told us not to rush to lynch on page 40 of day 1?

[Battle Mage]

Question: Are you the same Battle Mage who told us not to rush to lynch on page 40 of day 1?

Nope. This game has changed me.

[GIEFF]

I just had a dream that Zach, alex, and Spyrex were scum.

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@Battle Mage:

1. You think the people attacking you are town.
   
2. You want a lynch to happen soon.
   
3. So you may as well keep your vote on me, although I have no other votes, and am one of the people attacking you. And although the REASON you voted me in the first place was because I was attacking you, without voting you.

I don't get it. Wildly inconsistent here.



You've also said to me:

Ftr, you defending me at this point, with such good research, read as a towntell. And i was considering unvoting. But, as it was apparently unintentional, my vote can stand.

Which directly conflicts with your statement that those defending you are scum.

This game has changed me.

I don't think it's this GAME that is causing you to change your mind so often, I think it's your alignment.

[Battle Mage]

need i point out the glaring inconsistency of your reasoning vs your DREAM? lol

Im not worried about how soon we lynch someone. I just dont think the game will progress until we do. And i dont see any wagons that i particularly like the look of atm.
I dont think everyone attacking me is necessarily town. It's just a concern of mine.

BM

[GIEFF]

Well, now that I think about the dream, I think Spyrex actually bussed you, Battle Mage, and you flipped scum. But then Spyrex night-killed himself, and we insta-lynched Zach or Alex. So it was actually Spyrex, Battle Mage, and I think Zach, although it could have been Alex.

In any case, I obviously need to post in this thread more than twice a day or else it will carry over into my dreams. That can't be healthy.



I think the game is progressing very well, and the discussion is very productive. No need to rush, especially with the recent lack of wall-posts.

[SpyreX]

Wow.

I'm definitely not stepping up to the plate if BM doesn't even want to discuss the leaps of logic / misrepresentations in your 2040.

I night-killed myself? Thats pretty sweet. I could see this game driving someone to that.

[GIEFF]

Well, it wasn't clear if it was you, I just saw that you, as scum, were night-killed. It may have been a mutiny. I woke up before I figured out exactly what happened.


It's probably best you don't defend BM, though, people who do so are scum. Unless they are me, in which case they are town, but town who should be voted for anyway.

[Battle Mage]

Well, now that I think about the dream, I think Spyrex actually bussed you, Battle Mage, and you flipped scum. But then Spyrex night-killed himself, and we insta-lynched Zach or Alex. So it was actually Spyrex, Battle Mage, and I think Zach, although it could have been Alex.

In any case, I obviously need to post in this thread more than twice a day or else it will carry over into my dreams. That can't be healthy.



I think the game is progressing very well, and the discussion is very productive. No need to rush, especially with the recent lack of wall-posts.

I love the way you feel you can change whatever you say in order to try and make a point, and have no qualms about anyone picking you up on it.

BM

[GIEFF]

You're talking about my dream? Are you serious?

[Battle Mage]

yep, damn right. Scumbags will lie about ANYTHING these days, it seems.

I'll

Unvote

BM

[GIEFF]

I'm trying to limit the posting, but I figure that some content from me is better than no content from anybody?


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unvote

vote KMD

• KMD spent the majority of his effort on page 1 defending camn's scummy behavior, even though the points on which he caught camn-scum in a different game (outlined in Post 600) also applied to her behavior THIS game, as I pointed out in Post 602. Yet KMD never backed off his camn-defense, never stopped calling her obv-town.
  
  
• His Mastin vote was very weird, too. He excused it as soon as he made it by saying "either Mastin or camn is the lynch today" which wasn't the case at ALL.
  
  
• Even odder - two posts before his Mastin vote, he claimed he would rather lynch alex, me, or bcc instead of Mastin - Mastin was actually probably only 4 or 5 on his list. Yet, when given the opportunity to switch to alex, he did not. He NEVER unvoted Mastin until lynch went through, even though there were so many others he claimed to want to lynch.
  
  
• KMD tunneled in on me early on (jumping on as the 3rd vote), refusing to explain his reasoning until much, much later, when he could make something up. Today, he's jumped on the Battle Mage wagon (also as the 3rd vote), for ticky-tack reasons.

[Zachrulez]

Unvote:

Battle Mage, if your meta reasoning for opposing a BCC lynch was based on an ongoing game, you should have SAID so from the start. It makes more of a difference than you think, and you actually look quite a bit better in my eyes now.

No longer like the idea of lynching Battle Mage.