/in-vitational 2 - Chosen, Karaoke - Game over! before 830

[MiteyMouse]

Hi everyone! This is going to be fun!

[MiteyMouse]

Vote: Hohum

Cross game grudges are never good!

[MiteyMouse]

There goes my attempts to be sneaky.

Why are you trying to be sneaky Scien?

Zorblag...If someone is not participating then we have to rely on the mod to prod and replace as necessary. If they are not posting content then we will have to figure out what to do with them at that point. Pressure to post would be what I would lean towards.

My odds of being the chosen based on my PM are probably 2 out of 7.

[MiteyMouse]

I have to agree with Zorblag here. Avoiding a lynch may prevent us from hitting one of the chosen but, it also keeps us from getting the Scummies. We can't win with them alive.

[MiteyMouse]

I'm not going to lie. I did not read my PM carefully until after the game started. Actually, it was not until Zorblag called me on my post about the Scum needing to die to win the game. I read it carefully after that.

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Wow...I see the trick to keeping people active here is Hohum...AKA Blabbermouth...hehehe!

I reread the whole Sajin thing and really thinks he comes out looking Town in it. I feel his pain, as I'm not one to read and analyze my own PM. I look for the role and then move on.

I'm finding this game easier to pick out who is more likely Town than Scum.

Hohum is far louder than I've seen him play in a game with me and Papa is far quieter.

More to come...just want to look over things a bit more.

[MiteyMouse]

And for Mitey while I am here:

[A] I'm finding this game easier to pick out who is more likely Town than Scum.

Hohum is far louder than I've seen him play in a game with me and Papa is far quieter.

[C] More to come...just want to look over things a bit more.

[A] Oh? Why do you think this is?

Hohum in my mind is about the same as the game I played him in. Except he backed off from a fight (in his own way). That's something he didn't do there. I find it odd, but just merely odd at the moment.

I totally agree with you on PapaZ though. I find the quietness

very

odd.

[C] Cool! Can't wait.

A) people seem to be dropping more things that make me believe that they are Town than dropping things that make me think that they could be Scum.

B) See, I know he can be agressive (I checked his meta...hehehe) but, he has never played like this in games that I played with him. That being said, last game we were both players in was almost 6 months ago.

C) Still coming.

[MiteyMouse]

I don't really agree that being defended makes you look Town here. Both Town and Scum cuddle...I cuddle everyone, when I'm Town or when I'm Scum. And being defended, shows nothing. I would more be looking at the people defending...perhaps someone might leak some PIS somewhere.

[MiteyMouse]

I don't really agree that being defended makes you look Town here. Both Town and Scum cuddle...I cuddle everyone, when I'm Town or when I'm Scum. And being defended, shows nothing. I would more be looking at the people defending...perhaps someone might leak some PIS somewhere.

The whole point is the only way to properly judge a wagon is in hindsight. Pulling down wagons as they're forming is always a bad thing. It's never productive because it starts arguments and always leads to WIFOM.

I haven't pulled down any wagons my friend. I'm just saying that being defended should not make the person being defended look any more or less Town. It is really beyond their control.

[MiteyMouse]

Hmmm...my suspects are pretty much all of you at this point...hehehe!

Top 3...

Papa Zippo...well this is mostly the pretty drastic change in playstyle that I've seen from him thus far. He is usually very vocal and this game he is much quieter.

Cojin...very quiet and hasn't said much when he does speak.

Hohum...I understand that this is a playstyle thing but, my god, he is just really noisy. I was trying to do a read and was doing ok...then Hohum came on and each time I try to refresh, he has like 7 new posts.

Really though, I'm more looking at this through who is more likely Town and right now I have 2 people on that list...one being me. Hopefully my process of elimination will find me a Scummy or 2.

Hohum's defense of me is quite strange. Cuddly hohum freaks me out.

I must thank you...I just spent the last few minutes cleaning spit coffee of my computer. Note to self: don't read qwints while mouth is full!

[MiteyMouse]

There is a reason that I always list Papa Zigo as one of my top suspects. He scares the crap out of me when he is Scum!

[MiteyMouse]

I have no idea who is Town and who is Scum Hohum...nice try though!

[MiteyMouse]

Oh...I see what you're asking now. I would prefer to keep that under my belt for now. If you read my posts it might become pretty clear though.

[MiteyMouse]

See above please Hohum...

[MiteyMouse]

Wasn't it you who said that it was ok to withhold an oponion?

[MiteyMouse]

So...go find it!

[MiteyMouse]

Sorry Papa...that was to Hohum.

[MiteyMouse]

Well...he did the same thing for you earlier Papa. I just think that if he is going to try to set the players in this game to a certain level of play than he needs to step up to the same level. He cannot expect us to divulge everything if he is not planning to do the same thing himself...

[MiteyMouse]

Really...you didn't say:

Papa Zito: go reread the last 5 pages. I've been spilling reasons.

[MiteyMouse]

Interesting...I have already answered the question before it was posed. So, to you it's answering a simple question and me it's doing the exact same thing that you already did. I will conceed to answer the question if you agree to play by the same rules that you are asking us to play by.

[MiteyMouse]

Unvote, Vote MiteyMouse

Hmmm...did I catch you in a contradiction and now you're OMGUSing me? Didn't you already accuse Sajin of doing that? I'm kind of happy that I did not remove my random vote now...

[MiteyMouse]

I want you to stop being dodgy and answer the question, because based on post 204 I don't believe you bother to actually think about what you post before you post it. Which is a scum tell. Trying to appear to be helpful and actually being helpful are two different things.

Your refusal to comply is negatively effecting my null read on you.

Are you kidding? When you are Scum, do you really not think twice before everything you post and then look over it for possible slips? I do.

Your refusal to agree to my agreement and then blaming it on me is not making you look good in my eyes either my friend!

[MiteyMouse]

Wrong.

You obviously don't understand the difference between arguing about a case and answering a simple question. The question I asked was designed to gauge whether or not you're actually paying attention. You clearly aren't

We're 10 pages into D1 and you obviously don't have an opinion. I'm not going to allow you to lay back and do nothing.

I have oponions and have stated them and then you say that I'm not paying attention...very interesting.

I think Hohum's trying to play poke the Mouse here...hehehe

My agreement with you was to see if you are willing to work as a Team...and you clearly aren't.

[MiteyMouse]

Strong-arm tactics involve taking a certain point of view or stance (In this case- your belief I am scum) and then attacking all the people that do not agree with your viewpoint in an effort to coerce them to your point of view.

Do you agree this is what your doing?

Not agreeing with me is one thing. Actively defending you is another. I'm attacking those (rightfully) who take the viewpoint that I am scum because I think you are scum. Those who line up against me SHOULD be suspect.

I wasn't defending him....

[MiteyMouse]

MiteyMouse is a she!

[MiteyMouse]

Sorry Hohum...Sajin wasn't referring to me but, he did bring up the strong arming. You are using strong arm tactics with several of us in this game...me being one and that is what I was commenting on.

[MiteyMouse]

I'll answer your's now...but, you need to conform to the same rules that you are expecting us to play by...fair?

Sajin...this is simply because (as I already said) I do not always read my full PMs. I look for the role and alignment and as long as it's a familiar role, I tend not to analyze it word for word. There is a pretty unique dynamic in this game and one who is not familiar with it (or even those that are as demonstrated by my lack of full understanding) could get confused. Mostly, I feel his pain as, I have been called out for not fully understanding or reading PMs.

Now, I believe that I owe you all an appology. I let my emotions get the best of me yesterday and for that I'm sorry. Hohum, you just really got under my skin and I should have stepped back before posting.

[MiteyMouse]

You know Hohum, you could have just said that you had a reason for not answering the questions posed to you as opposed to saying "go reread the last 5 pages". Then calling someone out for doing the exact thing that you did is not productive for the Town. You cannot expect me to accept that you did it and then roll over when you call my for actions that you made as well. Perhaps I was looking to get a better read from you as well.

Now, you and I can keep going over this and get everyone in this thread really pissed at us or you can agree to accept that if you are going to do something then you'd better be ok with someone else doing the same thing...

[MiteyMouse]

So then suck it up and realize that I don't have to report my actions to you either...You are making me CRAZY!!!!

[MiteyMouse]

Sorry Zorblag...Hohum distracted me again...

MiteyMouse: You've seen Papa Zito play as scum. If him be playing differently than you've ever seen him play before why should that be a scum tell for you rather than a town tell? If you've only got one other than yourself who you think is likely town (and it do be clear who it is based on what you've said) why is it that you're saying that you're finding more town tells than normal this game. Just thinking that one other be town no strikes Troll as remarkable at all. Your failure to realize that we can win this game as town if we don't kill scum but keep both chosen alive be concerning to Troll given the experience Troll knows you have with the chosen dynamic. Right now Troll finds MiteyMouse scummier than average.

Zorblag...I have seen Papa play both as Town and Scum...and actually had the pleasure of being his first Scum partner. My strategy in that game was to stay quieter than usual and fly under the radar. I'm wondering if he's adapting that...or he could be drowning in the flood that is Hohum!

I'm trying to adapt a process of elimination style Zorblag. I used it in a game before and it worked really well for me. Now, I think that Sajin is more likely Town as, he has dropped several Town slips. Others have been dropped by other people but, not enough for me to think that they are more likely Town than Scum.

Yeah...for the last part all I can say is I had a brain fart.

[MiteyMouse]

Perhaps it is something that Scum do but, it has been quite successful for me as Town. Would you like a link to a game where I did this as Town Hohum?

[MiteyMouse]

http://www.facebook.com/board.php?uid=2 ... #topic_top
Start at post 52.

[MiteyMouse]

Oh Hohum...you suck!! In the nicest way possible of course. There are reasons that I spoke to you about that PRIVATELY!

That is a game that it worked for me as Town and that is what you wanted to see. As a disclaimer as people that I play with on FaceBook may be reading here...I love the people in the game...my issues are with the formatting of the game in general. They are however, the sweetest group of players that play this game.

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Hohum...you're trying to play poke the mouse again.

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Qwints...I too am confused here. How does Papa's vote fo you put pressure on Hohum? How does it take pressure off of you? Why do we want the pressure off of you?

Oh and I too did giggle at Hohum saying I was argumentative...hehehe!

[MiteyMouse]

Qwints...I hate to agree with Papa here but, it's his vote and his reasons. I'm also not quite sure why you are so upset with him unvoting you...it seems really odd to me.

[MiteyMouse]

Hi guys...I am here. I'm just catching up on my games and one I got really far behind on. I will put up my thoughts today though...please be patient with me.

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So Papa..if you believe that I'm Scum, why are you not voting for me?

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I'm still working on it Zorblag...

[MiteyMouse]

First off guys, I got a bit heated and had to step away from this game and then real life came up. I don't often overheat and I am sorry that you all had to be witness to it. I'm terribly embarassed with my actions thus far in the game.

Now, Zorblag...you have said several times that you think that I'm unlikely to be the chosen. I'm wondering why this is? I don't think that I'd be likely to be excluded in this game. My play on Day 1 (all Day 1s) is weak to say the least and I'm usually a pretty easy early game lynch. One of my mods actually told me that I'm a nightmare early on in games...hehehe! I'm just curious as to why you would think this. Since we're on the topic, who do you believe that the chosen could be?

[MiteyMouse]

Sajin...MiteyMouse is a she! I feel like I say that every game...it's becoming my "thing"...hehehe!

Now, I have reread a bit and have to agree with Zorblag. I think that we need to look for Scum and try not to hit one of the Chosen. My brain fart aside, I do think that we do need to find the Scum.

Hohum...you think that I went off of a cliff the other day but, are not for my lynch...why is that?

[MiteyMouse]

Cojin...why the assumption that Papa and I are the Scum as opposed to him "knowing" I'll be here tomorrow because he is not going to kill me?

[MiteyMouse]

Ok...we all have individual votes here. Why do players keep saying "we're not lynching X"? Are we the collective? Must we comply?

[MiteyMouse]

I have done a quick reread and have added someone to my probable Town list...Hohum. It really sucks too because I was sure earlier that he was Scum. His very recent inactivity and the way he just kind of dropped back to "not beat a dead horse" is what makes me think this. He's not one to give up and especially not as Scum and when he's in a game, he's in it, as we have all seen.

So, thinking that one of them is Scum and the other is not doesn't fit for me. I'm thinking we have some Town on Town action happening here.

unvote

I'm wanting a better read on Cojin and since he seems to like to respond to questions...
@Cojin...what do you think of Hohum's recent inactivity?
who are your top 3 suspects and why?

[MiteyMouse]

He got excited early on in the game that people were adressing questions to him. And right now, we really need him talking! This deadline is coming really fast!

[MiteyMouse]

Now Scien...right now, Cojin's lurking is not that bad for you but, his lurking and this close to deadline might be worst case scenario for me. It looks as if I am the target for today and someone who is lurking is going to get a free pass to Day 2 while I'm going to be the first dead Townie...and that sucks for me.

Speaking of which

vote: Cojin

because if it's your ass or mine, I'd prefer it not to be mine!

[MiteyMouse]

2. When MiteyMouse says, "I really don't blame anyone that hammers me now. To be honest, if I saw that I'd hammer but ..." she most certainly does be acknowledging that her actions seemed scummy. She in fact did not go on to show why her mistake could have been made as town.

Are we talking about 749 or this game here?

[MiteyMouse]

Sajin...I know that I am Town and would prefer to have someone who is not talking dead than me. I am a shitty Day 1 player and am very well aware of that ( as is anyone who has ever played a Day 1 with me) but, I can be an asset in later parts of the game. I guess you have to decide if it's better to keep someone who is not posting in here over me.

I'm willing to eat the lynch but, the selfish side of me would prefer to play on. I like this game and love this group of players....

[MiteyMouse]

Ok Zorblag. I was just confused. I knew you sighted me for my reaction in the other game but, wasn't sure if you were talking about Sajin or I in the last quote.

Now my comments to it. I'm not really sure that it's fair to use my reaction in that game as a basis of suspicion on Sajin. He and I are different people and to show that people react that way is fine but, saying that he didn't react the same might not be fair.

I will comment more on this but, my supper is ready...

[MiteyMouse]

Zorblag...sorry, supper interupted my thought...hehehe! I misunderstood what Scien was saying and that was meant for him and not you.

[MiteyMouse]

Yeah...I think I misunderstood on my first read.

[MiteyMouse]

I have a strong belif that i would be choosen, i would like everyone before hammering me to take a look at my meta and im sure you would understand why, you see me being at l-1 day 1 is not just commen, its GAURANTEEd to happen at least one time at any given point, i have lived past day one once as scum but other then that i have been killed everytime.

That's a strong claim there Cojin. Some people have stated that they don't believe that they have been excluded but, to say that you think you are the chosen? That smells of Scummy desperation my friend!

[MiteyMouse]

Cojin...can you answer who you would have excluded as the Chosen if you were Scum please?

I wouldn't mind hearing from everyone else but, I really want to hear Cojin's answer to this.

[MiteyMouse]

Cojin...can you answer who you would have excluded as the Chosen if you were Scum please?

I dont understand why you are asking this question, elaborate please.

I will elaborate after you answer.

[MiteyMouse]

Just reread Scien at the end of the day. He does look really bad.

vote: Scien

BTW, highly anticipating hohum's entrance.

Help me out here...what particularly looks bad Papa? And I'm looking forward to Hohum coming in too!

[MiteyMouse]

Ok...well I have read the Zorblag/Scien exchange and have a few thoughts.

Scien...lurking is more beneficial to the Scum than the Town. Lurking serves no purpose except to provide nothing in the way of a read on a player. This is good for Scum but, not at all for Town. Cojin being Scum was a bonus but, an inactive Town player is useless to us as a team. I don't always agree with lynching lurkers but, in a game like this with such tight deadlines and nothing more substancial to go on, it was a good choice. Do you think that Cojin's "mistake" was enough to lynch him over?

Also Scien...one of your lines really jumped out at me and I'd love if you could explain it for me...please.

4) I am Town... you don't know that and I look horrible apparently. Either I save myself, or you lynch me and find out I actually am on your side.

2 things here.
1) How do you know that Zorblag would not know this?
2)How do you know that you and he are on "the same side"?

I'm sorry I wasn't around yesterday. My body was trying to pass a kindey stone and I was in quite a bit of pain...and my brain wasn't working properly because of it.

Can we get a prod on Hohum please Incognito?

[MiteyMouse]

Scien...he could have been bussing. That is a possibility. I really don't like what could have been PIS in the statement that I quoted from you. You may think that you are on the same team but, you don't know that and you sounded very sure.

[MiteyMouse]

I have general questions to the town while I am rereading.

Sajin made a mistake in early game as well. It was tossed around what the mistake meant towards his alignment.

Do you think that mistake and the possibly intentional scum mistake have any connection? Do you think that the earlier mistake was pulled in the same manner as this one? Do you think that somehow the earlier mistake connects Sajin in on the more recent scum ploy?

I am not really sure Scien. It could have been a Scum ploy to make Cojin look better in the eyes of Town but, it would have been terribly risky and I guess, I have a hard time thinking that the Scum would take such a risk that close to deadline. It would have taken a really ballsy Scum to do that. I'm not saying that it is not possible but, most of the players that I have experience with here would have really had to stretch to pull it off.

I'm not sure that if Sajin was the other Scum here, he would really want his partner to do the same thing as him earlier in the game. It would make them look too aligned.

[MiteyMouse]

[1] It could have been a Scum ploy to make Cojin look better in the eyes of Town but, it would have been terribly risky and I guess, I have a hard time thinking that the Scum would take such a risk that close to deadline. It would have taken a really ballsy Scum to do that. I'm not saying that it is not possible but, most of the players that I have experience with here would have really had to stretch to pull it off.

2) I'm not sure that if Sajin was the other Scum here, he would really want his partner to do the same thing as him earlier in the game. It would make them look too aligned.

1) So what do you think about the action of someone suggesting it was part of some plan, then ending up hitting scum using that as strong supporting evidence. Do you think the person saying it was a plan is suspicious?

2) Eh, maybe. However if we didn't lynch Cojin, we would not have known that he was scum. The plan was made before the lynch. Does that change your answer? Or do you believe that the risk would have been too much for any scum to take?

Scien...short answer, I don't know. It's something that I'll really have to think about.

Again though, how do you know that the plan was made before the lynch or that there was a plan at all?

[MiteyMouse]

Ok Scien...fair enough. My concern is that it seemed that you knew that there was a plan.

[MiteyMouse]

Hohum...please come back. I'll give hugs to you if you return!

[MiteyMouse]

Nikanor...do you have a defence against the case Troll made against you?

[MiteyMouse]

Oh wow...that was a total brain fart there Nik. I appologize.

Troll, earlier, I was looking at Scien and Nik. However, they have both come out looking pretty good as of late. I will take a better look tomorrow as, I don't think that I have time tonight.

[MiteyMouse]

I really, really want to hear fron Hohum right now! We don't have time for you not to be here my friend!

vote Hohum

For the record, I don't believe him to be Scum but, hope the pressure will work to get him here...seeing as hugs did not!

[MiteyMouse]

Hey guys!

Also, Troll would like to point out that if you be casting a vote as a pressure vote it often does more good not to acknowledge that the vote be a pressure vote as you cast it. Saying that you no think hohum be scum while you be voting for him makes the vote much less likely to accomplish what you want it to.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

I know...I'm just frustrated with his play in this game right now. It's not like him at all.

I suspected Nik due to the active lurking and then admitting to it.

Scien due to the end of yesterday, as Papa Zito pointed out, it did not look great. It was like he was mounting a pre defence. However, he walked away from the WOW war with you looking pretty good.

[MiteyMouse]

With the lurking, I'm getting frustrated due to the short Days and we really need the participation. I'm actually thinking of a lynch all lurkers strategy for this game...this could be my frustration speaking though...

[MiteyMouse]

MiteyMouse, who do you think is the best candidate for a lynch all lurkers strategy, if we choose to enact it?

I'm actually not sure that this is the best strategy overall but, perhaps if we take out someone who is lurking then it might scare the rest of us into posting. Though, before Cojin's little slip up, he had gotten votes for lurking. So...to stop dancing around your question, I'd say Hohum at this point. He was almost replaced and asked to come back to not post...

Now, I'd like to try something. I am in process of another Chosen type game and a few of us are playing, modding or did play in that game. Zorblag came up with the idea there of listing who we all would have excluded as the Chosen if we were Scum. I asked the question of Cojin but he never answered. Could we all list 2 people that we would have excluded if we were the Scum? Please....

[MiteyMouse]

I would have excluded either Zorblag or Papa.

I was looking at everyone's answers during the Night.

MiteyMouse

Papa, Zorblag

Nik

Scien, Hohum...random based on their joined dates.

Papa

Zorblag

Scien

Papa, Zorblag

Zorblag

Qwints, Papa, Scien

Fisrt off, I asked for 2 exclusions because we have 2 Chosen in this game and I thought that it might not hurst to have people give 2 as, whoever the Scum are might give up both of the Chosen.

I’m going to look at this from a few angles so, please bear with me here.

One of the first things that I was hoping for was for someone to have excluded someone that didn’t make sense. Someone that they had no meta with or no logical reason to exclude them. The only instance that this happened with was Nik and he did give some justification for his choices.

If everyone was being truthful in who they would have excluded (which I’m not convinced of but, more on that later) then it might be safe to say that Scien, Papa and Zorblag would have less of a statistical chance of being the Chosen then Nik or I. Now with only one Scum left the statistics go down but, it is worth noting.

Now, the other angle is that the Scum could have put the people that are the Chosen on their list. I would have put the Chosen on my list if I were Scum, to make it look like they have less chance of being the Chosen.

We are down to 5 now, and have not yet lynched a Chosen. The Scummy must be getting pretty desperate at this point and I really don’t think that they want to get down to Day 4 with the 2 Chosen and themselves.

This post has almost made me cry. I wrote it up and then went to post it and MS had an issue and I lost the whole thing….if Mr. MiteyMouse had not have been sleeping, I’m quite sure that you all would have heard me yelling at MS and my computer at that point in time…hehehe! That is the last time that I will compose a big post here...

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Zorblag...half of the people that I thought were more likely Town are now dead. My suspicions fall on Papa and Nik right now...mostly by process of elimination.

I also know that you don't like that I think that the Scum would list the Chosen under their excluded pick but, I still think that if I were the Scum I would do that.

[MiteyMouse]

Hmmm...Scien went on the WOW war with you Zorblag and didn't slip. I get the feeling that he is Town at this point.

[MiteyMouse]

Scien...I think that both Zorblag and Papa could have come up with the "mistake" thing as well. I think that they are both cunning enough for it...not saying that they did it but, they are both smart cookies.

Nik is one of my top 2 suspects Papa. I'd be for his lynch today!

[MiteyMouse]

I agree with the Troll here, the case on me wasn't lurking...well not just lurking. I was over emotional and didn't read my PM well enough. That is a fair case. Well if you don't know me...hehehe! Most of you know that I'm not always a careful reader and I'm flakey and flighty and emotional. These are both my best and my worst personality traits.

I found this really interesting actually.

Papa Zito, you had made it pretty clear that you thought MiteyMouse was scum. Troll thinks that it no be at all unreasonable for Scien to think that you would be willing to switch to her wagon without all that much pressure.

I believe I also made it clear that she was caught and so I was more interested in finding her partner.

It's kinda like on Battleship where you hit a ship and then keep hunting instead of spending turns sinking the ship you found.

Pretend that I'm new here Papa. If you think I'm caught then why are you looking at Nik?

Incog...I probably won't be around for the weekend.

[MiteyMouse]

Wow...ot much happened while I was gone. I would be all for a Nik lynch right now and would drop the hammer but, I want to get as much as we can out of today.

[MiteyMouse]

This thread seems to be stalling a bit here and though, I wanted to get more info out of today, I'd be willing to drop the hammer if the people that I think are Town think I should.

[MiteyMouse]

Hmmm...not this is an interesting state for this game.

I want to kind of steal an idea from Zorblag with our last Chosen game. He suggested and then really explained it in the after party that getting the Scum might not be as important as keeping the Chosen alive. I mean at this point, the Scum cannot win with the Chosens alive right? So, it may be in our best interest to place a safe, less likely to be Chosen vote as opposed to getting the Scummy.

Thoughts?

[MiteyMouse]

MiteyMouse

..possibly Chosen

Papa Zito

...Scum

Scien

...Chosen

Zorblag

...Townie. Why I think that Zorblag is not one of the Chosens is because we all said that we'd veto him...though the fact that he is still alive really gives me pause in this game.

I'm pretty sure that Zorblag is the Townie here. Scien and Papa really have me torn. I could see arguements for either of them being either the Scum or the Chosen. I'm more leaning to Papa Scum than Scien Scum right now...Scien made it through that WOW war and came out without slipping. That makes him look pretty Townie to me.

[MiteyMouse]

Scien...I thought that Sajin was more likely Town before his death...at the time of his death we all knew that he was Town as, Incog told us.

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Papa...I got the cutest image of the guy from your avatar cuddling with a puppy! Hehehe!

Cojin being here or not did not really hurt whoever the Scum is did it Papa? I'm not sure that that is a valid arguement at all...but, if you did bus then it bought you some Town cred didn't it?

NOT CODES!!! Are you all trying to make my head blow up?

[MiteyMouse]

Do you mean Day 3 in the post above Scien?

You know, Papa commented on this earlier but, I wanted to say that I agree, the 4 of us being here does not seem to be a coincedence.

That is actually pretty interesting Zorblag and Papa. I noticed that Scien didn't answer that little tidbit.

Papa...thank you for the ScumDay wishes!

[MiteyMouse]

Zorblag...that last post is a big bucket of WiFoM.

[MiteyMouse]

Are you that confident that you are not the Chosen Zorblag? The Scum could be waiting for another vote on you to drop the hammer. Now, I think you are Town but, am concerned that you could be opening the door for the Scum here.

[MiteyMouse]

I'm really unsure of this plan Zorblag. What if you are a Chosen?

[MiteyMouse]

Oh...and some of us in here aren't American Papa...hehehe!

[MiteyMouse]

Ok...while I think about this can one of you please remove your vote please? I don't want a hammer yet.

[MiteyMouse]

I take that as a no...

[MiteyMouse]

Ok...Zorblag. What if you are the Chosen and Papa is the Scum. This plan is technically a safe one based on what we have told each other but, what if one of us is lying? And what if the person that is lying is the only other person with a vote on you?

[MiteyMouse]

Vote: Papa

His last post with trying to cuddle Scien and his refusal to unvote so I can get a chance to think before the hammer is dropped make me thing that he is the Scum.

[MiteyMouse]

Voting a Chosen isn't going to make you look any more town, Mitey.

That sounds very similar to what Cojin said right before he died.

I have a strong belif that i would be choosen,

[MiteyMouse]

I don't have a strong belief. I'm absolutely sure.

Only Scum are sure Papa.

[MiteyMouse]

I was just thinking that Papa...are we all old?

[MiteyMouse]

Ah...25 was a good year...hehehe!

[MiteyMouse]

I can't vote for Zorblag at this point. I'm not going to rule out the possibility but, I'm not ready for that yet. I'd also like to hear from Scien first.

[MiteyMouse]

Great work with playing the dynamic there guys! I was actually getting close to dropping the hammer and had I been Town, I would have...hehehe!

I don't have much time to comment right now but, be careful with who you don't thik is Scum and the reasons why. Cojin's "mistake" and the cross bussing helped me coast (and coast I did) until endgame and probably could have got me the win if it hadn't been for Zorblag and gaming the dynamic.

I do have to appologize to Cojin though. It could have just as easily gone the other way my friend but, I am sorry that you were killed so early and that I was on your wagon.

I have quite a bit more to share but, have to get ready for work...look forward to a gigantic post from me tonight.

[MiteyMouse]

Thoughts from the Scum....

So, I'm looking forward to this game so much. Get my PM and I'm Scum with Cojin! YAY!!! Then it hits me, 4 people have seen me as Scum, 3 of those have been my Scum partners...this is not going to be so easy!

So, I start the PMing process for excluding...Cojin does not respond right away. Now, any of you that have played with or modded me know that I'm a touch high strung during the pre game planning process. I go into a bit of a panic and PM Incog just to see if Cojin has picked up his PM...he has and further panic sets in...then I get my PM returned...crisis adverted...hehehe! Cojin argues to exclude Nik and I argue for Zorblag..we talk back and forth and decide on Zorblag. Find out that Scien and Papa are excluded...Whoo Hoo! This sets my wheels turning.

In thread we lay low. Sinjin makes mistake and Hohum tunnels. I step in to defend with my "mistake"....hehehe! Town buys it except hohum...I get emotional which is not unlike me. Now my ass is on the line though. I make a snap judgement to vote my partner. Now, I know that this is going to buy me cred but, it really stings having to bus so early. For wahtever reason, Cojins mistake is not seen as the others and he starts sinking...this was hard as I wanted so badly to defend him. I come up with a plan that Cojin says he would exclude Papa or Scien, planning to push that they must be his partner...I will do the same with the one he doesn't pick. That way either of us goes down, the other can exploit this and get our Chosen lynched. Hohum hammers before Cojin can answer...grrrr...FAIL!

This was the hardest Night...now, I'm a sad and lonely Scum that is going to take some heat on Day 2. How do I make myself look innocent here. I decide to take Zorblag and Hohum off the table for the kill...for whatever reason, they like me and they know my meta pretty well so, I need them to potentially defend me later in game. Hohum is going to go after Sajin hard so, let's leave Sajin. So...Nik or Qwints? Qwints talks less and seemed to agree with Hohum...let's go for him.

Day 2...Scien and Zorblag go at it and I get excited!! Defend Scien a bit to look Town and giggle with this...

Troll finds MiteyMouse's play to be pretty poor this game but, really, the mistake she made there didn't do anything much to help scum as it would get pointed out right away. Troll views it as mostly neutral with slight scummy connotations. Troll has little trouble believing that MiteyMouse no had read something carefully given what Troll knows of her play.

Basically, as Troll said, the mistake by Cojin at the end almost had to be intentional as him would have known how many names him submitted. Further it was one that Troll thinks was designed to make him look like town who had misread what the scum would get to do. Coming up with that takes a bit of sophistication. Troll no means to insult MiteyMouse or Sajin but them be the ones in the game Troll finds least likely to have come up with the idea and Troll no thinks that Cojin would have on his own.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Hehehe...falling right into my hands here Zorblag!! Now, I did not take offence here but, took action. The boys thought that I was less intelligent or manipulative than some of them so, I go with it...I decide be a bit extra flakey. Now, probably my most evil plan is hatched at this point, I need to get to end game with 2 people that are more intelligent than me but, people that like me. It has to be a combination of Hohum, Papa, Scien and Zorblag...actually Zorblag has to be one of them....this will haunt me later!!!

I think Scien is going to be lynched so, I vote Hohum...then my hands are clean of the lynch of a Chosen. Hohum gets lynched...CRAP...foiled again!

Night 2...if the other person that I think is Town gets offed, I look good. So, Sajin is the Night kill.

Day 3...Scien or Papa need to die today...Nik goes instead...well this is not so bad. Everyone left has played a few games with me and all are thinking that I'm not likely to be Scum....

Night 3...no Night kill can be done or I will automatically lose.

Day 4...Crap on a stick, I should have killed Zorblag earlier!! Go big or go home right? I go hard after Papa...hoping to get Scien on board and perhaps get Zorblag to change his mind last minute...foiled again!!!

Good game everyone! You deserved the win with the way the game was gamed...it was brilliant!

[MiteyMouse]

Pretty manipulative lady... I didn't think you had it in ya. Hehe.

I'll watch out for you in the future.

That was part of the plan...hehehe! I'm actually surprised, you have been Scum with me. You should have known I had it in me...hehehe!

[MiteyMouse]

I'm not actually sure on that one. We did not really discuss that.

Incog...thank you for modding us! This was a fun game and I had a great time, even when I was screwed...hehehe!

[MiteyMouse]

Hehehe...I was lonely! It was mean to be more of a joke though...sorry that you felt bad.

[MiteyMouse]

I'm all about hugs Incog...hehehe!

[MiteyMouse]

This was probably the best game that I played player and mod wise! I had such a great time in here!

For future Scum in this set up...get the Chosens! Had either Scien or Papa died earlier, I might have won the game and really, the final Day is not the time for floundering about trying to get one of them. Get the Chosens early!!