Mini 810: Infection! Mini - Game over!

[The Replacement]

Dumb to claim with just three votes, but it will be easy for him to prove tonight if he's telling the truth.

Considering the mechanics, I don't think this is a game where people proving their role through night actions is always the best idea.

[charter]

I think he went with a safe option. I think his most logic reasoning would be to :

a)Infect someone more experienced than him.

b)Infect someone that wouldnt be targeted for vaccination.

I know there are some that fit this group. I dont think its basically day 1 again since there are some people less likely to be infected.

I agree with this. I originally thought that you would be infected but then I remembered about scientists which would make you the #1 vaccination target. I think we're likely looking for someone who seemed town-ish D1.

What does it mean that there was likely no guard kill? I can think of 2 scenarios:
1) guard got lucky and killed another infected, meaning mod's post is a bit misleading
2) we have no guard.. I'm inclined to believe that this is the case due to the phrasing of the mod post.

3) The guard forgot they were a guard. *facepalm* lol

BM

I breadcrumbed the fact that i forgot to submit a kill. lol

BM

Yeah. I figured that's what that was...

vote The Replacement

Since he seemed to ignore BM's claim and is still going on why we should lynch BM, when he's perfectly confirmable, and will even live to tomorrow if there's a scientist.

[charter]

Dumb to claim with just three votes, but it will be easy for him to prove tonight if he's telling the truth.

Considering the mechanics, I don't think this is a game where people proving their role through night actions is always the best idea.

Missed this. If there's a scientist, then they protect BM tonight. If BM is indeed a guard, then someone else will die (most likely a townie, but whatever) confirming him for tomorrow (plus the added benefit of him hopefully shooting an infected). If he's scum, there will just be an infection, and we lynch him tomorrow. Of course, all this hinges on a scientist, so hopefully there is one (I'm willing to risk it anyhow).

[The Replacement]

It's only confirmable if he shoots town. And then it's only confirmable if he continues to shoot town every night.

[charter]

Well, if he shoots an infected, he's not confirmed, but so what? Either he gets confirmed, or he shoots infected, it's win win. I don't get how you can still argue for his lynch.

[The Replacement]

Actually... the kill should show up as getting shot rather than die by infection if he kills an infected. Having a guaranteed confirmed town even for a day is beneficial. And if he's lying it will mean a guaranteed scum lynch tomorrow.

Unvote

[charter]

Actually... the kill should show up as getting shot rather than die by infection if he kills an infected. Having a guaranteed confirmed town even for a day is beneficial. And if he's lying it will mean a guaranteed scum lynch tomorrow.

Unvote

Going to say anything other than just unvoting? It looks like you've seen the light on BM, but who is your top suspect now?

[Battle Mage]

Dumb to claim with just three votes, but it will be easy for him to prove tonight if he's telling the truth.

Considering the mechanics, I don't think this is a game where people proving their role through night actions is always the best idea.

Missed this. If there's a scientist, then they protect BM tonight. If BM is indeed a guard, then someone else will die (most likely a townie, but whatever) confirming him for tomorrow (plus the added benefit of him hopefully shooting an infected). If he's scum, there will just be an infection, and we lynch him tomorrow. Of course, all this hinges on a scientist, so hopefully there is one (I'm willing to risk it anyhow).

I think directing the scientist is a poor idea.
Actually we're best off letting them act alone to try and negate a scumkill.

[charter]

Well, it was also in case you're scum and trying to just buy time until tonight, if you get protected and you're infected and try to infect someone tonight, then you obviously aren't a guard and we lynch you tomorrow. But whatever, not directing power role actions is a good point.

[Battle Mage]

Maybe a Kelly Chen lynch is a good idea.

Vote: Kelly Chen

Anyone else want to weigh in?

[Battle Mage]

Well, it was also in case you're scum and trying to just buy time until tonight, if you get protected and you're infected and try to infect someone tonight, then you obviously aren't a guard and we lynch you tomorrow. But whatever, not directing power role actions is a good point.

Then i dont see why me being protected is an issue if i am infected?
Either way, the Scientist should try and out-WIFOM the scum.

[charter]

The scientist works like a roleblocker if they target someone who is infected, right? Or am I misunderstanding the role?

[Shotty to the Body]

If you vaccinate an infected player, you prevent them from infecting that night.

Do you really think that one post by Chen made Malthisus feel like infecting her BM?

[Battle Mage]

If you vaccinate an infected player, you prevent them from infecting that night.

Do you really think that one post by Chen made Malthisus feel like infecting her BM?

She is an experienced player and not as likely to be protected as Poptaj.
Truthfully, she'd be my pick for infection if i was scum. Or maybe Charter.

[Rally Vincent]

BM, I had a quick look at the game you linked - I still think there were three scum in our game. Usually the cult can grow in numbers by recruiting, but in our game scum cannot exceed their original count.

Why did you claim now?

Missed this. If there's a scientist, then they protect BM tonight. If BM is indeed a guard, then someone else will die (most likely a townie, but whatever) confirming him for tomorrow (plus the added benefit of him hopefully shooting an infected). If he's scum, there will just be an infection, and we lynch him tomorrow. Of course, all this hinges on a scientist, so hopefully there is one (I'm willing to risk it anyhow).

A guard kill will only confirm BM for today, not tomorrow.

unvote

. I'm willing to give BM a chance to prove his claim (unless there is no better suspect).

vote: veerus

If BM isn't the third scum from yesterday, then veerus is. I will look for possible infectees next.

[Rally Vincent]

I have serious computer problems and will V/LA. If I can't get regular access within a few days, I will notify you somehow. Sorry.

[charter]

I could go for a RV lynch today perhaps.

[Kelly Chen]

If you vaccinate an infected player, you prevent them from infecting that night.

Do you really think that one post by Chen made Malthisus feel like infecting her BM?

She is an experienced player and not as likely to be protected as Poptaj.
Truthfully, she'd be my pick for infection if i was scum. Or maybe Charter.

Less likely, maybe, but I was thinking there was a decent chance I get protected... If it's so obvious that pop is the one to protect, then scum shouldn't want to touch him. Protect somebody else. That increases the odds that scum fail to cult, and if they have the balls to cult pop anyway, what are you really out? Especially considering you can only protect somebody once in this game.

[Rally Vincent]

No more V/LA

. Computer problems fixed.

[populartajo]

Im here rereading.

[Battle Mage]

I could go for a RV lynch today perhaps.

So could I. Scum can afford to be pretty aggressive today.
Unless of course, that aggressive scumbag is you.

But, i still kinda feel like Kelly Chen is a more likely infect option...

[Battle Mage]

BM, I had a quick look at the game you linked - I still think there were three scum in our game. Usually the cult can grow in numbers by recruiting, but in our game scum cannot exceed their original count.

Why did you claim now?

Just coz? I figured i was on a slippery slope, and a pretty big slap was due

Missed this. If there's a scientist, then they protect BM tonight. If BM is indeed a guard, then someone else will die (most likely a townie, but whatever) confirming him for tomorrow (plus the added benefit of him hopefully shooting an infected). If he's scum, there will just be an infection, and we lynch him tomorrow. Of course, all this hinges on a scientist, so hopefully there is one (I'm willing to risk it anyhow).

A guard kill will only confirm BM for today, not tomorrow.

unvote

. I'm willing to give BM a chance to prove his claim (unless there is no better suspect).

vote: veerus

If BM isn't the third scum from yesterday, then veerus is. I will look for possible infectees next.[/quote]

Evidently you havent listened to anything that's been said today. I
Can't see any logic for a Veerus lynch today. He clearly wasnt infected.

This game is becoming utterly retarded. Can we at least TRY to win??

[Kid Know Nothing]

Maybe a Kelly Chen lynch is a good idea.

Vote: Kelly Chen

Anyone else want to weigh in?

I don't really see the point.

I get what you meant by her being a prospect infected but that's pretty weak reasoning. Maybe lynches suck, imo.

[Kelly Chen]

I'm thinking there were three scum, because otherwise a D1 scum lynch and N1 culting failure is already a town win.

Reading veerus

I agree with tajo on this one. FA's vote on PP is opportunistic and a feeble attempt at making a mountain out of a mole hill and will vote him if we get closer to the deadline.

However..

unvote; vote: rally vincent

Scummy in hindsight. Especially since later it didn't seem that he did think fallen was all that scummy for this.

It also seems like he tried to add steam to the Kise wagon over the fallen wagon (or his own wagon), for little stated reason:

In addition to these two (especially Rally as Shotty's been relatively active in the other discussions) my other suspect is Kise. I'm having a hard time putting my finger on it exactly but his posts strike me as very scummy and very unlike how PP was (outside of his crazy idea).

very unlike how PP was...?

But if I have a look here on page 15.

It was 3 veerus (including malthusis, who put him in the lead), 2 Mokina, 2 fallen, 2 Kise (including fallen), 1 Rally.

Kise goes to 3 with Kid's vote (he wasn't voting)
veerus down to 2 and fallen up to 3 with Rally moving from veerus to fallen.
Shotty asks Rally why Kise. Shotty's voting veerus... if anything seems like seeking a reason to move to Kise... on the other hand I'm pretty sure we didn't have four scum so nevermind.
veerus moves from Rally to fallen, so that's 4 fallen. That seems odd if veerus is scum. It looks like veerus had a choice, and he didn't choose what you would expect based on his second-to-last post. On the other hand, pop had stated by now that fallen was the only realistic lynch choice. So if veerus is scum the question is more like, why did he post at all, he could've just lurked through the deadline.
I vote fallen -> 5 votes
Kid votes fallen -> 6 votes
Shotty hammers.

[veerus]

BM, your quote tag is messed up and it looks like you unvoted & voted for me.

KC, I meant that Kise's playstyle was very different from how PP was playing and it is my belief that such a difference likely implies a scum replacement since everyone has their own idea of how to play scum best while there's usually only one way to play townie.