Well, he obviously was lurking because he got REPLACED.Hayker wrote:His predasessor was also quite a bit of a lurker(more so than me)
That isn't a point against me.
Well, he obviously was lurking because he got REPLACED.Hayker wrote:His predasessor was also quite a bit of a lurker(more so than me)
I'm unsure of what this mean's exactly.2) Sorry, that's how I play. Like it or lump it.
The fact is you are voting for me because I voted for you. If I hadn't attacked you, you wouldn't be voting for me right now. That's OMGUS.Hayker wrote:don't like the way he always seems to be catching up.
I was wondering if you had abandoned your Achilles case.SerialClergyman wrote:Wicked, asking for 5 scum suspects is over the top, given it's most likely that there's only 3 scum left in the game. At the moment I think we can afford to be a little more considered than another spray and pray list.
To give you an idea, I think Namtam is the scummiest based on his own posting (not looking at gamestate.) His posts ride on other people's work, which is something I've never liked, and his targets have been suspicious. From the latter stages of D1 - He voted KK for much of D1, then VP Baltar at the end of D1 and through D2 until he voted rofl in the same post he says he's convinced ckool is scum and never unvotes. Each time he voted he gives either little reason or uses the reasons other people have made. I'm going to re-read him further when I have some more mafia time.
I would be extremely surprised if at least 1 of KMD, rofl and Xyl were not scum. I think each of those players are interacting with each other in such a way that at least one of them is looking to manipulate to gain an advantage. I think if rofl is scum he would be vermillion, and that would make Xyl probably vermillion with him. I explained why I think there may be a link between those two on D2, but essentially it's due to Xyl taking suspicion off rofl via a meta argument that he then seemed to contradict. KMD has done a few things to tweak my radar, some of which I posted in the post above (U-turn on rofl + mentioning neighbor for zero reason).
I have a lot of nulls due to meta or lurking. I think that Achilles is being prodded as we speak and could well be replaced. Lowell's meta excuses his low post count/content but makes a read hard.
Why do you ask, Wicked?
Complete misrepresentation? I was actually suspicious of rofl because of his wanting to lynch Mastin when a claimed role-blocker and his not wanting to lynch KK because he was a claimed miller. That didn't make sense to me. I never once used rolf's gambit as an excuse to attack him. I almost feel like this is too obvious a scum tell to be real but it will earn you anSerialClergyman wrote:I think the little wagon on rofl yesterday has a good chance of finding scum. I'm not ruling out rofl from being scum, but I think that the last cerulean could well try to use his gambit as a reason to attack him (you're prepared to die via vig so we're going to kill you is a damn stupid argument). Of the two, mosestargazer made his point loudly and clearly and put his money where his mouth is, which I have always found pro-town. Namttam however was pretty weasly, and switched after a poor case on VP he had been riding since the day before, when he took up some reasoning of mine against VP.
That's enough to earn my vote.vote Namttam
Wait your voting for me based on my posts but you haven't re-read me? I don't post that much. I shouldn't be a difficult re-read. I've explained my reasoning for KK and VP, and my reasoning iirc, was not like anyone else's at all. I never said I was convinced ckool was scum I only said it looked likely. Because of my town read on ckool before zaz'z flip I held off on being certain, which is pretty clear since I didn't vote for ckool. If you haven't re-read me than where are you pulling all these things from, memory? Let me know if you have better reason's for your vote.SerialClergyman wrote:To give you an idea, I think Namtam is the scummiest based on his own posting (not looking at gamestate.) His posts ride on other people's work, which is something I've never liked, and his targets have been suspicious. From the latter stages of D1 - He voted KK for much of D1, then VP Baltar at the end of D1 and through D2 until he voted rofl in the same post he says he's convinced ckool is scum and never unvotes. Each time he voted he gives either little reason or uses the reasons other people have made. I'm going to re-read him further when I have some more mafia time.
I don't remember what the bad logic was. The important thing is why I changed my mind. His actions don't make sense as scum. I don't see him bussing his last buddy with so many players still alive, including two opposing scum. And I don't see him offering to die as scum who is unsure of Mastin's actual alignment. It just doesn't make sense unless he is extremely ballsy and actually did bus.SerialClergyman wrote: Kmd's U-turn on rofl has me utterly confused. I've never seen someone make that kind of extreme flip. Kmd - you very much glazed over your reason for your transformation - perhaps it's not significant to you but it's really significant to us. Could you please post the full paragraph you removed and point out the bad logic? At the moment, you've gone form being prepared to die yourself for a chance to get rofl killed to ignoring that he was on both wagons in your bandwagon analysis.
Um, no. I'm not buying that you placed the second vote out of eleven solely to avoid a no lynch.Wickedestjr wrote:Kmd4390 wrote:There is scum on the MM wagon. Likely more than one.I remember voting because it was MM or no lynch, and Hayker voted later than I did. That means that we can find scum in the following list:
Serial
Wicked
Rofl
Lowell
Faraday
That is one of the main reasons why I voted MM too. I think that Lowell might be a Vermillion. He has been acting strangely and wanted Mastin lynched.
First, I have a gut scum read on you. My gut wants me to vote either you or Nam. Second, my analysis assumes that a townie like MM is scumbait. Scum love players like that. Easy lynches. There is no way no scum voted him. Also, Mastin can be looked at the same way when looking for Vermilion. Cerulean probably avoided the Mastin wagon. So not only can I conclude that you are scum, but Vermilion as well.Wickedestjr wrote:Kmd, I don't understand why you are voting me. For being on both wagons? You also have me listed as scummiest on your big catch up post. Care to elaborate on that? Notice that the only dead people that were on both wagons were ckool and VP. They were both innocent. So you are just assuming that I'm scum? Doesn't make sense to me.
Just my way of categorizing the end of Day 1 voters.Wickedestjr wrote:In my previous post, when I said "big catch up post" I meant to say "big analysis post". Sorry.
Rofl's play is scummy. But the way he played the Mastin lynch would be retarded scum play. Rofl isn't retarded, so he's town.molestargazer wrote: Not sure I like Kmd's mega-quick flip from thinking Rofl is obvscum to thinking he's town, and listing me as possible scum for voting him on DAY 2, when Kmd himself still thought Rofl was scum, iirc.
If you're right, it means Xyl is scum. I haven't ruled that out.SerialClergyman wrote: I would be extremely surprised if at least 1 of KMD, rofl and Xyl were not scum.
Didn't realize until then that I hadn't. I had already planned to vote him. Just never did, I guess.Wickedestjr wrote:Kmd, how come you didn't vote rofl until Khan did? If you've already answered this, please tell me the post number.
Kmd4390 wrote:If Rofl was scum with Mastin, it would make sense for him to say shoot me if Mastin is scum and shoot him if Mastin is town. Just sayin'.
FTR, I called it that Achilles was gonna lurk. Hopefully we can get a replacement.Kmd4390 wrote:I don't remember what the bad logic was. The important thing is why I changed my mind. His actions don't make sense as scum. I don't see him bussing his last buddy with so many players still alive, including two opposing scum. And I don't see him offering to die as scum who is unsure of Mastin's actual alignment. It just doesn't make sense unless he is extremely ballsy and actually did bus.
Either Hayker has gone down the rabbit hole and is having tea with the Mad Hatter, or this is brilliant bullshit. I'm not sure which.Hayker wrote:One of the reasons that I think my idea could make sense, is the fact that all games have mind games within them. Mafia is a particularily good example of a game where mind games come in all the time. In fact, mafia is one giant cluster**** of a mind game. Mind games can be done in many, many different ways. One particular mind game, is for a "good" player, doing a "bad" move. This often makes a once terrible move, into a glorious Solar idea(cookie for referance). I play witht the assumption that mind games will come into play from many different angles, because mind games tend toi be very effective. Well, if done correctly anyways. Some times they crash and burn, but hey, every mind game has a downside.
Lowell is probably scum. Maybe Faraday too.Xylthixlm wrote:I have this feeling like a few people aren't posting:
Achilles
Lowell
curiouskarmadog
Faraday
This post is a note to myself that they're the ones to look at if I want a lurker hunt.
Votes swell on ckool SC (1206) KK (1220) Hay (1223) Xyl (1228) this doesn’t mean much I guess, because I thought that ckool was scummy yet, but over rofl’s point (1164) about mastin I find it strange. I also find it sort of hard to swallow that people are now saying today that rofl was bussing a partner (over an opposing team?). Will get to that again in the reread….but rofl’s point single handedly swayed my vote back on Mastin. With a partner already down, why would rofl bus another?iamausername wrote:-=Vote Count #33=-
Mastin (4) - roflcopter, Xylthixlm, Kublai Khan, curiouskarmadog
roflcopter (3) - Hayker, Kmd4390, molestargazer
VP Baltar (2) - Mastin, Namttam
ckool5000 (2) - VP Baltar, Wickedestjr
Hayker (1) - Lowell
Not Voting (5) - Achilles, ckool5000, Empking's Alt, Faraday, SerialClergyman
9 to lynch.
he never does. he is in a hundred games and he only pays attention to those that he has a decent role. he is a horrid player and that is why I NEVER play with him. the only reason I replaced into this game is because I owed the mod. a karma thing.Kublai Khan wrote:I'm really doubting that Empking's Alt is even reading this game.
ugh. Don’t like this post. If you are town, how is this protown to promote yourself for a vigging? Also if you really believed you were going to be lynched anyway, why assume that Mastin will be lynched today over you?roflcopter wrote:unvote, vote: mastin
ckool: if mastin flips scum you should kill kmd tonight, if he flips town you should kill me
Whoa what? This is worse that rofl’s post!?.......you next post just saved me typing out a paragraph.SerialClergyman wrote:I think the thought of auto-vigging two people who agree ot be auto-vigged is probably not in the best interest of the town, given the only people who agree ot that are likely to be town.
What if we had ckool target mastin, and mastin roleblock him? That'd go some way to working out if anyone was lying.
Why? And why are you so quick to right him off?Kmd4390 wrote:He came up with a plan and quickly realized it was bad. I don't think he'd have done that the way he did as scum.ckool5000 wrote:Why's that?Kmd4390 wrote:SerialClergyman is town. Bad idea, but he's town.
Why this vote over Mastin at this point (1283)Wickedestjr wrote:I believe that ckool is the vig.Unvote: ckool
Empking and Zaz were both voting KK the whole game. Zaz turned out scum, so;
Vote: Empking's Alt
Ok that is just poor play now. Why is KMD and yourself out at this point? (1304)roflcopter wrote:empking's alt is a good person to vig if ckool lives to vig again tomorrow
Qftroflcopter wrote:btw, now that we've had members of both scumteams trying their hardest to get khan lynched, can we finally agree that the guy is town and stop even entertaining the notion that we'll ever lynch him, ever? kthx
What a strange question? Why SC? Why 5? This sort of seems like a post designed to look like someone is scum hunting but is not.Wickedestjr wrote:@SerialClergyman - Who are you top five suspects?
bullshit meter is going off. Why did you care about SC's case when there are tons of other stuff going on right now?Wickedestjr wrote:I was wondering if you had abandoned your Achilles case.SerialClergyman wrote:
Why do you ask, Wicked?
Pretty quickly:Kmd4390 wrote:What is the case on Hayker?