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TDC Mafia Scum
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Yosarian2 (shrug)
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Yeah. What TDC said, Ren Hoek. The scum killed someone who was voting for you. If they had killed someone who was not voting for you, you would be dead right now.
Anyway, if the scum only get one kill a day, then the roles should be safe now, and tommorow there will be someone different in the roels anyway. So if the tracker saw anything, they should feel free to claim now; there's no risk to it now that the scum have already used their kill for the day.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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TDC wrote:As far as I can see, Seraphim was the first vote on your wagon, which is why him getting killed didn't lynch you.
Oops. Yeah.[i]Hey Guido, it's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the cheese and you're the lemon merchant, you get it? And he knows it. That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it, ya, before he lets loose the marmosets on us.[/i]-
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Adel Crystalline Logick
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tracker doesn't get results until end of day. Tracker should not claim until after he gets results.Yosarian2 wrote:Yeah. What TDC said, Ren Hoek. The scum killed someone who was voting for you. If they had killed someone who was not voting for you, you would be dead right now.
Anyway, if the scum only get one kill a day, then the roles should be safe now, and tommorow there will be someone different in the roels anyway. So if the tracker saw anything, they should feel free to claim now; there's no risk to it now that the scum have already used their kill for the day.-
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Yosarian2 (shrug)
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Ah, good call.Adel wrote:
tracker doesn't get results until end of day. Tracker should not claim until after he gets results.Yosarian2 wrote:Yeah. What TDC said, Ren Hoek. The scum killed someone who was voting for you. If they had killed someone who was not voting for you, you would be dead right now.
Anyway, if the scum only get one kill a day, then the roles should be safe now, and tommorow there will be someone different in the roels anyway. So if the tracker saw anything, they should feel free to claim now; there's no risk to it now that the scum have already used their kill for the day.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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FaerieLord Mafia Scum
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I am honestly not sure why they chose seraphim considering he is the weakest link (in my opinion) from that list.adel wrote:why do you think that vollkan wasn't the kill choice for the scum?
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Adel Crystalline Logick
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why do you think he is weaker than Ren Hoek?FaerieLord wrote:
I am honestly not sure why they chose seraphim considering he is the weakest link (in my opinion) from that list.adel wrote:why do you think that vollkan wasn't the kill choice for the scum?
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this doesn't jive withFaerieLord wrote:
I am honestly not sure why they chose seraphim considering he is the weakest link (in my opinion) from that list.adel wrote:why do you think that vollkan wasn't the kill choice for the scum?
(Also, still V/LA. Have unexpected internet access for the next few hours)
The most valuable role would probably end up getting switched with one of the weakest players... and I think you understood that.FaerieLord wrote:Ok, I got how Adel's plan works, and I think it's the best plan presented yet, partially because it's the only one I have fully understood
unvote, vote:FaerieLord-
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vollkan The Interrogator
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I get why FL's theory is wrong, but I'm not sure I get the thrust of your accusation - unless you are saying that FL's earlier statement about understanding your plan is effectively contradicted by her statement that the scum chose Seraphim.Adel wrote:
this doesn't jive withFaerieLord wrote:
I am honestly not sure why they chose seraphim considering he is the weakest link (in my opinion) from that list.adel wrote:why do you think that vollkan wasn't the kill choice for the scum?
(Also, still V/LA. Have unexpected internet access for the next few hours)
The most valuable role would probably end up getting switched with one of the weakest players... and I think you understood that.FaerieLord wrote:Ok, I got how Adel's plan works, and I think it's the best plan presented yet, partially because it's the only one I have fully understood
unvote, vote:FaerieLord-
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beg pardon?vollkan wrote: unless you are saying that FL's earlier statement about understanding your plan is effectively contradicted by her statement that the scum chose Seraphim.-
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vollkan The Interrogator
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Well, if FL said she understood your plan, that entails that she understands that part of the rationale for the plan is that it allows for a situation where scum targeting a high profile target can have that target busdriven with a less high profile target. As such, it wouldn't make sense for her to appear so surprised by the death of Seraphim or, more accurately, for her to say that scum "chose" Seraphim (since, given the earlier statement, she should recognise the prospect of busdriving)Adel wrote:
beg pardon?vollkan wrote: unless you are saying that FL's earlier statement about understanding your plan is effectively contradicted by her statement that the scum chose Seraphim.-
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and why would a player that understood my plan claim to be surprised by a weaker player getting killed?vollkan wrote:
Well, if FL said she understood your plan, that entails that she understands that part of the rationale for the plan is that it allows for a situation where scum targeting a high profile target can have that target busdriven with a less high profile target. As such, it wouldn't make sense for her to appear so surprised by the death of Seraphim or, more accurately, for her to say that scum "chose" Seraphim (since, given the earlier statement, she should recognise the prospect of busdriving)Adel wrote:
beg pardon?vollkan wrote: unless you are saying that FL's earlier statement about understanding your plan is effectively contradicted by her statement that the scum chose Seraphim.-
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vollkan The Interrogator
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Most likely, either to feign surprise generally (sort of like an "Oh damn, X was NKed!") or, more specifically and strategically, to smear more high profile targets who were not killed.Adel wrote:
and why would a player that understood my plan claim to be surprised by a weaker player getting killed?vollkan wrote:
Well, if FL said she understood your plan, that entails that she understands that part of the rationale for the plan is that it allows for a situation where scum targeting a high profile target can have that target busdriven with a less high profile target. As such, it wouldn't make sense for her to appear so surprised by the death of Seraphim or, more accurately, for her to say that scum "chose" Seraphim (since, given the earlier statement, she should recognise the prospect of busdriving)Adel wrote:
beg pardon?vollkan wrote: unless you are saying that FL's earlier statement about understanding your plan is effectively contradicted by her statement that the scum chose Seraphim.-
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do you think that it is probable that either of those would be motivated by a town aligned alignment?vollkan wrote:
Most likely, either to feign surprise generally (sort of like an "Oh damn, X was NKed!") or, more specifically and strategically, to smear more high profile targets who were not killed.Adel wrote:
and why would a player that understood my plan claim to be surprised by a weaker player getting killed?vollkan wrote:
Well, if FL said she understood your plan, that entails that she understands that part of the rationale for the plan is that it allows for a situation where scum targeting a high profile target can have that target busdriven with a less high profile target. As such, it wouldn't make sense for her to appear so surprised by the death of Seraphim or, more accurately, for her to say that scum "chose" Seraphim (since, given the earlier statement, she should recognise the prospect of busdriving)Adel wrote:
beg pardon?vollkan wrote: unless you are saying that FL's earlier statement about understanding your plan is effectively contradicted by her statement that the scum chose Seraphim.
Do you think it is more probable that he didn't understand my plan, but innocently thought that he did?-
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like who?vollkan wrote: or, more specifically and strategically, to smear more high profile targets who were not killed.-
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Budja Mafia Scum
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vollkan The Interrogator
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To state the obvious, no.Adel wrote:
do you think that it is probable that either of those would be motivated by a town aligned alignment?vollkan wrote:
Most likely, either to feign surprise generally (sort of like an "Oh damn, X was NKed!") or, more specifically and strategically, to smear more high profile targets who were not killed.Adel wrote:
and why would a player that understood my plan claim to be surprised by a weaker player getting killed?vollkan wrote:
Well, if FL said she understood your plan, that entails that she understands that part of the rationale for the plan is that it allows for a situation where scum targeting a high profile target can have that target busdriven with a less high profile target. As such, it wouldn't make sense for her to appear so surprised by the death of Seraphim or, more accurately, for her to say that scum "chose" Seraphim (since, given the earlier statement, she should recognise the prospect of busdriving)Adel wrote:
beg pardon?vollkan wrote: unless you are saying that FL's earlier statement about understanding your plan is effectively contradicted by her statement that the scum chose Seraphim.
Frankly, no but what's keeping me from switching my vote is whether FL can justify it. In my head, though, I can't think of a way that a person could understand your plan and not get the point of the busdriving. I mean, the whole point of the busdriver is to serve as a means of frustrating scumkills. It strikes me as extremely unlikely that a player could not realise that but support the plan nonetheless (surely, if a player didn't understand the inclusion of a busdriver, they would ask for explanation).Adel wrote: Do you think it is more probable that he didn't understand my plan, but innocently thought that he did?-
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vollkan The Interrogator
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Good pointBudja wrote:
A player who had not yet linked the two together upon seeing the kill. It took me a little while to join the dots and I did understand your plan so I'm seeing this as null.Adel wrote: and why would a player that understood my plan claim to be surprised by a weaker player getting killed?-
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he refers to "that list" which I assume referencesFaerieLord wrote:
I am honestly not sure why they chose seraphim considering he is the weakest link (in my opinion) from that list.adel wrote:why do you think that vollkan wasn't the kill choice for the scum?
(Also, still V/LA. Have unexpected internet access for the next few hours)
which you will note came before FL posted:Adel wrote:I think the optimal scum kill choice was a member of the accounts team- vollkan - Head of Account Services
crywolf20084 - Account Executive
Ren Hoek - Account Executive
Nuwen - Account Executive
curiouskarmadog - Account Executive
Seraphim - Account Executive
which is a wold apart fromFaerieLord wrote:
I am honestly not sure why they chose seraphim considering he is the weakest link (in my opinion) from that list.adel wrote:why do you think that vollkan wasn't the kill choice for the scum?
(Also, still V/LA. Have unexpected internet access for the next few hours)
.. I'd already connected the majority of the dots for FL, and yet he still postedBudja wrote: A player who had not yet linked the two together upon seeing the kill.
I don't buy it.I am honestly not sure why they chose seraphim considering he is the weakest link (in my opinion) from that list.-
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vollkan The Interrogator
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Better point.Adel wrote:
he refers to "that list" which I assume referencesFaerieLord wrote:
I am honestly not sure why they chose seraphim considering he is the weakest link (in my opinion) from that list.adel wrote:why do you think that vollkan wasn't the kill choice for the scum?
(Also, still V/LA. Have unexpected internet access for the next few hours)
which you will note came before FL posted:Adel wrote:I think the optimal scum kill choice was a member of the accounts team- vollkan - Head of Account Services
crywolf20084 - Account Executive
Ren Hoek - Account Executive
Nuwen - Account Executive
curiouskarmadog - Account Executive
Seraphim - Account Executive
which is a wold apart fromFaerieLord wrote:
I am honestly not sure why they chose seraphim considering he is the weakest link (in my opinion) from that list.adel wrote:why do you think that vollkan wasn't the kill choice for the scum?
(Also, still V/LA. Have unexpected internet access for the next few hours)
.. I'd already connected the majority of the dots for FL, and yet he still postedBudja wrote: A player who had not yet linked the two together upon seeing the kill.
I don't buy it.I am honestly not sure why they chose seraphim considering he is the weakest link (in my opinion) from that list.-
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Goatrevolt Pond Scum
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I'm going to be V/LA for Friday, Saturday, and possibly Sunday. I should be back by Sunday, but it's no guarantee.
I have a strong reason to believe Ren Hoek is town. Everyone voting for him needs to explain what they think about the self-vote.
Also, Adel is right about FL. That reaction really doesn't make sense from a town mindset.
Vote FL-
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FaerieLord Mafia Scum
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Because from what I've seen Ren is capable of doing some scum hunting. Sera was pretty passive throughout.Adel wrote:why do you think he is weaker than Ren Hoek?
It took me three times to get what you're saying and now I realize what you're getting it. You're saying it was either driven from a good player to a worse player or scum targetted a worse player as to avoid being driven but retain choice.Adel wrote:The most valuable role would probably end up getting switched with one of the weakest players... and I think you understood that.
This. I understood how it worked but didn't get it until you pointed it out just nowBudja wrote:A player who had not yet linked the two together upon seeing the kill. It took me a little while to join the dots and I did understand your plan so I'm seeing this as null.
(Ok, I'm really V/LA now. Should be leaving in thirty minutes)(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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scotmany12 Mafia Scum
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There is no reason why anyone voting for Ren should change their mind because of the self vote. It is a null tell; it does not prove he is town, nore does it prove that he is scum.Goatrevolt wrote:I have a strong reason to believe Ren Hoek is town. Everyone voting for him needs to explain what they think about the self-vote.
I'm not really buying the whole thing against fl right now.-
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Budja Mafia Scum
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QFTscotmany12 wrote:
There is no reason why anyone voting for Ren should change their mind because of the self vote. It is a null tell; it does not prove he is town, nore does it prove that he is scum.Goatrevolt wrote:I have a strong reason to believe Ren Hoek is town. Everyone voting for him needs to explain what they think about the self-vote.
I'm not really buying the whole thing against fl right now.
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