You were among the top suspects yesterday, having almost been run up to a lynch, with a few thinking of switching back even after you claimed. If this is nitpicking about who was more likely to die, I didn't even consider that when selecting between you two because, quite frankly, you both looked scummy to me, and both were among the top lynch candidates. There simply was more to gain from an investigation on you.populartajo wrote:Spyrex was a very optymal investigation target. He was the top suspect yesterday and the idea that he wouldnt be nked was a very decent assumption to make.
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My thinking right now is that scum is one, possibly two of {ekiM;charter;Lowell}. I'm leaning towards ekiM right now, up next Lowell, and then charter.
X: I think it at least semi-confirms Kison that he backed me up. As scum the only motivation for it would be to further confirm himself as town, but at the pretty big cost of confirming a town player. I don't particularly think that would be a reasonable trade for scum at this point.
On Seraphim being NK-immune: while it would otherwise be a convenient fakeclaim for scum, coupled with the solo vig power of his neighbourhood it pretty much confirms him and leaves X's alignment questionable.
Seraphim: Did you inform X of your NK immunity before N0 was over? If not, when did you tell him? We might be able to account for a lost kill depending on your answer--we had a surprising lack of kills on N0 in retrospect.
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Lowell 920: X justified his vote by claiming you'reactivelurking, not lurking in general. Active lurking is genuinely scummy.
Just a note to the town to be careful--Lowell is at L-1.scumchat never die-
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Not worth risking drawing the cross-kill though.X wrote:
I missed this before. Why would he draw attention to himself as Scum Cop? Because it's given him/you semi-confirmed status.Kison wrote:Yet this continued into day two, after several scum were killed. If Caboose was Italian, he'd have been down a doctor by that point, thus putting himself in a very vulnerable position. It's obvious that I am/he was a legit cop based on the accuracy of our results - why, then would he be more likely to draw attention to himself as scum cop over town cop? The way he acted makes more sense as town, because there is no kill to use to go after those guilty results; the only way to get those investigations out there is through this thread. If he was scum, he could have just kept his mouth shut and taken care of any guilty result at night.
That's right I think.Kison wrote:
Yeah, this was before I caught that Seraphim was night kill immune. Assuming I have this right, they get a kill if the other dies. This still remains a fairly compelling argument for Seraphim not being scum, given that X is not claiming to have the same immunity.ekiM wrote:
Sera has now claimed NK-immune though, which is both mystifying and screws with that logic.Kison wrote:Similarly, I find X's 180 on the Caboose subject scummy as shit, but I'm seeing that people are writing Seraphim/X off as probable town because they claim to receive a kill if the other dies:
...which I agree is a very strong point in favor of them being town.ekiM wrote:They've claimed to have an extra vig that gets enabled when one of them dies. I cannot see how they wouldn't kill the other ASAP if either were scum independently. An extra kill is a huge bonus.
Speaking for myself, mainly the way he's doing very little scumhunting.Tajo wrote:Why exactly are you all preferring Lowell instead of charter?
That's silly. If Tajo is a godfather then he'd be fine with having drawn the investigation.HowardRoark wrote:
I read this as . . . "Hey!!! I killed SpyreX to waste one of your investigations because I expected an investigation on him! Why'd you investigate me?!?!?" This is gold. Drat that pesky result.populartajo wrote:Kison, do you realize that one of the optymal plays yesterday was to investigate Spyrex?
Lowell wrote:ekiM's 903- I've considered the possibility charter is scum. I just don't find it likely that he is.This is like blood from a stone.WHY?
So you admit that you're lurking? Why are you lurking?Lowell wrote:901 is bad for justifying lurkervotes.
I had two weeks of posting to comment on, so I had a few things to say. I understand 'shotgunning' to be shooting a wide field of suspicion in the hope of hitting something. I'm not doing this.Lowell wrote:903 is bad for shotgunning
As opposed to your Herculean scumhunting efforts...? I've said more in the couple of posts since I got back than you've said all game.Lowell wrote:In general, this post has the feel of someone who is trying to position himself as being active and pro-town, but I don't see that much that really hits hard.
He's not trying very hard. He's saying "Lowell is town" without any serious justification.Lowell wrote:... also, charter's defense of me suggests he's town. A scum mason-buddy wouldn't try very hard to prevent his partner from being lynched. It would exonerate him and give him a clear path to victory were the town-buddy to die.
Also, your logic appears to be "people who suspect me are bad, people who defend me are good". You know that's weak, right?
That's absurdly flimsy. One could just as plausibly argue that avoiding discussion in a QT is scummy. It certainly is in the main thread. And from this you insist so strongly that Lowell is town? This leaves a bad taste in the mouth.Charter wrote:I've already explained why. Mixologist wasn't posting in our quicktopic, and I'm pretty sure that if he was scum, and had just checked his scum quicktopic, he'd hop on over to ours and try and figure out what I'm thinking. His lack of participation I think means he wasn't interested, which I think makes him much more likely to be town.
...Korts wrote:My thinking right now is that scum is one, possibly two of {ekiM;charter;Lowell}. I'm leaning towards ekiM right now, up next Lowell, and then charter.
Would it kill you guys to provide a couple of sentences of reasoning when you say stuff like this?
People, give some damn reasoning or there is no reason to listen to you.Korts wrote:People, Lowell is town, unvote him.
Interesting how you start posting once you're in danger, to point the finger at the only other guy to have gotten a vote. Seems rather self-serving.Lowell wrote:
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I don't think it's significant.Tajo wrote:Mike, what do you think of he claiming masons instead of neighbors?
Charter for defending Lowell based on nothing, that could be the action of a scum partner or, if Lowell isn't scum, scum looking for cred for defending a townie. The thing I just posted from Korts troubles me. Also X is not really confirmed at all now that Seraphim claimed NK-immune, so I need to think about him.Tajo wrote:Who are your other suspects?
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That's a pretty weak tell in my opinion.charter wrote:I've already explained why. Mixologist wasn't posting in our quicktopic, and I'm pretty sure that if he was scum, and had just checked his scum quicktopic, he'd hop on over to ours and try and figure out what I'm thinking. His lack of participation I think means he wasn't interested, which I think makes him much more likely to be town.
He told me during N2.Korts wrote:Seraphim: Did you inform X of your NK immunity before N0 was over? If not, when did you tell him? We might be able to account for a lost kill depending on your answer--we had a surprising lack of kills on N0 in retrospect.
No, no he's not.populartajo wrote:People, Lowell is town, unvote him.
But I don't think it would be crazy of him to have assumed there was a Doctor, whether he was Scum or Town.ekiM wrote:
Not worth risking drawing the cross-kill though.X wrote:
I missed this before. Why would he draw attention to himself as Scum Cop? Because it's given him/you semi-confirmed status.Kison wrote:Yet this continued into day two, after several scum were killed. If Caboose was Italian, he'd have been down a doctor by that point, thus putting himself in a very vulnerable position. It's obvious that I am/he was a legit cop based on the accuracy of our results - why, then would he be more likely to draw attention to himself as scum cop over town cop? The way he acted makes more sense as town, because there is no kill to use to go after those guilty results; the only way to get those investigations out there is through this thread. If he was scum, he could have just kept his mouth shut and taken care of any guilty result at night.
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I meant to do this tons of years ago:
Analysis of the flipped Italians V. 2.0 (now only with people alive)
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iso 1 has some comments of the top subjects of day1 : ogb and mufasa. Ad shows an interesting fixation with Seraphim.Ad wrote:The oh-so-important random phase is "interrupted" by ogb claiming he is an alt. For some reason this makes him obvscum according to seraphim and rofl and others. I tend to disagree.Ad wrote:Mufasa claims joat really early. Why? Charter and seraphim then vote for mufasa. Even more why?
This overfixation with Seraph makes me think that Seraph is not an Italian and Ad was setting ground for future suspicions. Seraph -2Ad wrote:Seraphim says something about the "tone" in which mufasa claimed which is just a very poor and completely subjective way to keep his vote on someone who may very well be a town power role.
Now this attack is very strange. Ad thought Mufasa could be a power role. Why was it important that caboose defended mufasa? This attack smells so early bussing its not funny. Caboose +1Ad wrote:caboose defends mufasa. noted.
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Adscum is less likely to support points brought by a scumpartner. So, this gives Mike less chances of being Italian. Mike -1Ad wrote:ekim actually has some good points to say about the ogb situation. Here they are: snip
he also brings up a telling point against mufasa in that he doesn't have a vig, which could be used to test the role.
At first glance, I didnt like this attack. But now that I think about it, I dont think Adscum would bring unnecessary attention to Mikescum after he agreed with some arguments in the same very post. Its a possible distancing but not very likely. Mike -1Ad wrote:ekim brings up the distraction argument against ogb...
I was beginning to like him
iso 3
Ok, if we assume Ad is scum with Caboose, then he should have known that there were 2 scumgroups. In the scenario Mufasa had been a Russian, I dont think this was a very good attack against a scumpartner. This attack, as Ad himself admits, is very strange for him. Caboose -1Ad wrote:Caboose continues to defend mufasa. If mufasa comes up scum caboose has to be next. I normally don't like chain lynching but this one seems like a gimme.
Unncessay attention. Less chances of HR being Italian. HR -1Ad wrote:Howard Roark votes korts "for his contrived case against seraphim". Another example of a completely subjective reason to vote someone, furthermore a reason I don't agree with at all. He doesn't use any points to back it up either.
iso 4.
Ad says Mike that his question is a bit loaded. Mike -1.
Charter and Ad have a sincere discussion regarding OGB.
What kind of scum says his partner "dont think I am trying to focus on you".Ad wrote:You aren't the only one who has said it, so don't think I am trying to focus on you. But since you responded:
Charter -1
iso 5 are answers to Mike and Charter. Overall vibe is that its not a scum-scum conversation. No points here since there is nothing very indicative of alignment.
Posterior isos are related to people already dead and one post where he supports my starbuck hate.
Conclusion:More negative points are people less likely to be Italians.
Seraphim -2
Mike -2
charter -1
Howard -1
Caboose (Kison) 0
Others npCall me Tajo.
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Yo ekiM, please don't misquote. I never told people to get off the Lowell wagon, that was tajo.Nevermind, you corrected it
As for the reasoning for my suspicions, it's basically by process of elimination. Seaside Neigbourhood sounds the least likely, and Vanilla Townie is a conveniently easy fakeclaim.
Because I literally recieved no result.ekiM wrote:Korts, in post 363 you say "Re: my being blocked, I confirm that it's likely I was blocked." You've claimed that N1 you tracked Seraphim and receieved no result. Why did that make it likely that you were blocked?scumchat never die-
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And what result would you get if Seraph hadnt done anything that night?Korts wrote:Yo ekiM, please don't misquote. I never told people to get off the Lowell wagon, that was tajo.Nevermind, you corrected it
As for the reasoning for my suspicions, it's basically by process of elimination. Seaside Neigbourhood sounds the least likely, and Vanilla Townie is a conveniently easy fakeclaim.
Because I literally recieved no result.ekiM wrote:Korts, in post 363 you say "Re: my being blocked, I confirm that it's likely I was blocked." You've claimed that N1 you tracked Seraphim and receieved no result. Why did that make it likely that you were blocked?Call me Tajo.
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Ask Kison, he was the one who got the result of a Vanilla Townie's tracks.populartajo wrote:
And what result would you get if Seraph hadnt done anything that night?Korts wrote:Yo ekiM, please don't misquote. I never told people to get off the Lowell wagon, that was tajo.Nevermind, you corrected it
As for the reasoning for my suspicions, it's basically by process of elimination. Seaside Neigbourhood sounds the least likely, and Vanilla Townie is a conveniently easy fakeclaim.
Because I literally recieved no result.ekiM wrote:Korts, in post 363 you say "Re: my being blocked, I confirm that it's likely I was blocked." You've claimed that N1 you tracked Seraphim and receieved no result. Why did that make it likely that you were blocked?scumchat never die-
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First vote and unnecessary attention. Caboose -1inHimshallibe wrote:vote: Caboose
I'll be back maybe tomorrow, but I'm checking in and putting my vote on the most likely scum that I see. Mostly the doublespeak on voting OGB and reactions to Mufasa is my reasoning.
iso 1
Sincere back and forth accusation with Seraphim. Seraphim -1inHimshallibe wrote:unvote
vote: Seraphim
What is there to pressure Mufasa about anyway? I don't like how you've backed off his lynch train.
iso 2 contains some answers to Seraphim.inhim wrote:Doublespeak, to clarify, would be Caboose's alvinz spiel, which I more or less see as fencesitting (one of my favorite words in my mafia vernacular).
Those two posts slightly lean to Caboose not being scum with inhim. Inhim wouldnt have called doublespeak on Caboose's alvinz spiel. He would have thought alvinz was a guilty result. -1inhim wrote:More or less, yes. I like to vote productively, and had I realized Caboose was sitting on no votes, I would have mentioned him, but probably would have wound up voting one of Mufasa or OGB.
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Charter and Mike. -1inhim wrote:I agree with Korts that Mufasa is helpful to the town alive rather than dead, but I'm not so keen on pushing votes on charter or ekiM, who I think are just headstrong town at the moment.
Another vote for Seraphim. Seraphim -1inhim wrote:Looking back at some of the wagon patterns on Mufasa, I'm returning to my Seraphim vote.
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Conclusion.More negative points are people less likely to be Italians.
Seraphim -2
Caboose -2
Charter -1
Mike -1Call me Tajo.
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Why do you think we have 2 scum left?X wrote:
That's a pretty weak tell in my opinion.charter wrote:I've already explained why. Mixologist wasn't posting in our quicktopic, and I'm pretty sure that if he was scum, and had just checked his scum quicktopic, he'd hop on over to ours and try and figure out what I'm thinking. His lack of participation I think means he wasn't interested, which I think makes him much more likely to be town.
He told me during N2.Korts wrote:Seraphim: Did you inform X of your NK immunity before N0 was over? If not, when did you tell him? We might be able to account for a lost kill depending on your answer--we had a surprising lack of kills on N0 in retrospect.
No, no he's not.populartajo wrote:People, Lowell is town, unvote him.
But I don't think it would be crazy of him to have assumed there was a Doctor, whether he was Scum or Town.ekiM wrote:
Not worth risking drawing the cross-kill though.X wrote:
I missed this before. Why would he draw attention to himself as Scum Cop? Because it's given him/you semi-confirmed status.Kison wrote:Yet this continued into day two, after several scum were killed. If Caboose was Italian, he'd have been down a doctor by that point, thus putting himself in a very vulnerable position. It's obvious that I am/he was a legit cop based on the accuracy of our results - why, then would he be more likely to draw attention to himself as scum cop over town cop? The way he acted makes more sense as town, because there is no kill to use to go after those guilty results; the only way to get those investigations out there is through this thread. If he was scum, he could have just kept his mouth shut and taken care of any guilty result at night.
If we have 2 scum left, I'm thinking that they might be Lowell and charter based on their unbased gung-ho defense of each other.Call me Tajo.
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Korts, why did you assume you were roleblocked rather than you tracked someone with no action?Korts wrote:
Ask Kison, he was the one who got the result of a Vanilla Townie's tracks.populartajo wrote:
And what result would you get if Seraph hadnt done anything that night?Korts wrote:Yo ekiM, please don't misquote. I never told people to get off the Lowell wagon, that was tajo.Nevermind, you corrected it
As for the reasoning for my suspicions, it's basically by process of elimination. Seaside Neigbourhood sounds the least likely, and Vanilla Townie is a conveniently easy fakeclaim.
Because I literally recieved no result.ekiM wrote:Korts, in post 363 you say "Re: my being blocked, I confirm that it's likely I was blocked." You've claimed that N1 you tracked Seraphim and receieved no result. Why did that make it likely that you were blocked?Call me Tajo.
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Conclusions based in analysis of flipped Italians Admiral and inhim.
People not likely to be Italians, therefore not scum.
05. ekiM
10. Seraphim
19. charter
21. Kison
Neutral but possibly Italian.
12. Korts
14. X
15. Mixologist
17. HowardRoark
People likely to be Italians, therefore scum.
Seems both Ad and inhim made a good job not being too obvious with their respective scumpartners. Day 1 and not much posting from both is prob the reason.
There are some things that are important to notice. Why didnt Italians protect their Godfather night 1? This heavily implies that Italians protected a heavy suspected player, a power role more important than godfather or a very likely Russian mafia kill.Call me Tajo.
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It neither clears nor implicates charter's alignment. Also note that I don't think we can use neighborhoods to determine alignment, only masonries.Lowell (921) wrote:charter's defense of me suggests he's town. A scum mason-buddy wouldn't try very hard to prevent his partner from being lynched. It would exonerate him and give him a clear path to victory were the town-buddy to die.
I just can't shake this gut feeling that Korts is scum. I had him on my short list until he had that period of activity. Then he kind of thinned out again. His claim is believable, but he's also not a VI. Seeing the lack of Italian power (compared to the Russians), his could be a scum power role.
While I appreciate it . . . why? It doesn't really bother me. (I would have said something if it did.) Is it wrong to consider this buddying?Korts (927) wrote:please spell Howard's name correctly. It's not Rock, it's Roark, as in the protagonist of The Fountainhead. Thanks
I am always a bit anal with the wording of these warnings. Why are you warning "the town"? Are you not town? Why not "NOTE: Lowell is at L-1"? *HowardRoark braces for attacks*Korts (927) wrote:Just a note to the town to be careful--Lowell is at L-1.
Thus the "drat" part of my post.ekiM (931) wrote:That's silly. If Tajo is a godfather then he'd be fine with having drawn the investigation.
YES!ekiM (931) wrote:
People, give some damn reasoning or there is no reason to listen to you.[s]Korts[/s]populartajo wrote:People, Lowell is town, unvote him.
This is a very strong statement. Anything else to add to your case besides his lack of participation and defense of charter?X (936) wrote:
No, no he's not.populartajo wrote:People, Lowell is town, unvote him.
Perhaps they did and the doctor was killed first or there were multiple attempts on the GF. Remember that we only had those two kills N1 and four during N2.populartajo (946) wrote:Why didnt Italians protect their Godfather night 1?
Overall I am still happy with a Lowell lynch today. Even if he is town, his death will not hamper our odds that much. 2:5 tomorrow assuming 2 scum, town-Lowell death, and 1 NK. Also importantly, it will keep the more active players alive who are actually attempting to scum hunt.
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