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[Korts]

(2) Seraphim- TDC, FaerieLord

(1) vollkan- Adel
(1) Ren Hoek- Seraphim

not voting:

everyone

8 to lynch

Deadline for Day 1 is 6PM EST August 4.

Prodding Budja, Nuwen, Ren Hoek, and SensFan.

Morning subphase ends in 6 hours.

[Yosarian2]

Vote:Budja

Because I didn't remember he was playing until I looked at the player list.

[SensFan]

Sucks that we didn't have a random voting stage as now the game is really stalled. So in an effort to solve this.

Vote: Seraphim

For reasons previously stated and to get the discussion going

Vote: FL

Why would you possibly be disappointed that we have 11 pages of game-related stuff to vote based on, rather than nothing?

[FaerieLord]

Because that was not "stuff to vote based on" since it was just agreeing with adel throughout.

There was only debatable content in the first few pages in the ren / sera exchange, and I already stated my disapproval to how sera handled it.

[Adel]

Mind explaining the basis upon which you asserted that I was "posting so much elsewhere"?

to see what your response time was, and if anyone else would follow my vote.

glad to see that you are active again.

who do you think is scum?

Nothing concrete yet, but if I had to vote it would go on Ren Hoek for what seemed to be massive overreaching.

how about now?

[Budja]

vote: Ren Hoek

Started suspicion onto the creative director for a bad reason (saying random picks are bad/scummy). The scum would certainly want the director (if not scum) removed so this feels a little bad to me.

[Korts]

Morning subphase is now over; it is now Afternoon subphase.

Deadline is 6PM EST, August 4.

[TDC]

unvote, vote crywolf

[Yosarian2]

vote: Ren Hoek

Started suspicion onto the creative director for a bad reason (saying random picks are bad/scummy). The scum would certainly want the director (if not scum) removed so this feels a little bad to me.

I like this logic a lot.

Unvote:Budja

; it was basically a vote for flying under the radar, and with this post, he's not flying under the radar anymore.

Vote: Ren Hoek

[crywolf20084]

unvote, vote crywolf

um...k.

Vote: Sera

More from me after work.

[scotmany12]

Hi. Still on vacation. Looks like nothing big happened yet. Get caught up when I get home.

[FaerieLord]

unvote, vote crywolf

um...k.

Vote: Sera

More from me after work.

um...k.

[Ren Hoek]

vote: Ren Hoek

Started suspicion onto the creative director for a bad reason (saying random picks are bad/scummy). The scum would certainly want the director (if not scum) removed so this feels a little bad to me.

I like this logic a lot.

Unvote:Budja

; it was basically a vote for flying under the radar, and with this post, he's not flying under the radar anymore.

Vote: Ren Hoek

I don't think it qualifies as "logic."

FOS: Yosarian
vote: Budja

[Budja]

Nice OMGUS. Now why don't you tell me

why

my logic fails.

[Ren Hoek]

Nice OMGUS. Now why don't you tell me

why

my logic fails.

It would have to be logic in the first place, which it isn't.

Scum doesn't stick their necks out in broad daylight to work wagons on players that are threatening or inconvenient. They shut up about it during the day, and nightkill them. Right there, you "logic" breaks down.

Scotmany was neither threat nor inconvenience to scum. Your "logic" takes another hit.

Occam's razor suggests very strongly that I am a paranoid townie. To suggest otherwise, as you have, is scummy.

Hence my vote.

[Goatrevolt]

Scum doesn't stick their necks out in broad daylight to work wagons on players that are threatening or inconvenient. They shut up about it during the day, and nightkill them. Right there, you "logic" breaks down.

Scotmany was neither threat nor inconvenience to scum. Your "logic" takes another hit.

So since Scotmany wasn't a threat or inconvenience to scum, you could still be scum pushing his wagon? Or am I missing something here?

Also, why do you say he wasn't a threat or inconvenience to scum?

[Budja]

Scum doesn't stick their necks out in broad daylight to work wagons on players that are threatening or inconvenient. They shut up about it during the day, and nightkill them. Right there, you "logic" breaks down.

Well actually they do sometimes. If scum think they can get away with making a pro-town looking player/role suspicious, they could very well do it.
You make a bad assumption.

Scotmany was neither threat nor inconvenience to scum. Your "logic" takes another hit.

Scot is the creative director, the most important game role. Without a creative director, we have no PR's (yes, the CEO can recruit but that is a one-time thing). The whole purpose of the bus-driver plan is to make sure he lives.

So attacking the creative director like you did over such a minor thing looks suss.

Occam's razor suggests very strongly that I am a paranoid townie. To suggest otherwise, as you have, is scummy.

Occam's razor states that the hypothesis with the fewest assumption's is the most likely truth. Looked at individually, everyone is town by Occum's razor as the probability of a given player being town is reasonably high.
This is a poor excuse to suspect those who suspect you.

[Ren Hoek]

So since Scotmany wasn't a threat or inconvenience to scum, you could still be scum pushing his wagon? Or am I missing something here?

Yes. You are missing that Budja implied that scotmany was a inconvenience on account of his role. I am saying that he's wrong about that, too.

Also, why do you say he wasn't a threat or inconvenience to scum?

Was he? Who was he threatening, and how could he possibly be construed to be inconvenient to scum?

[Ren Hoek]

Scum doesn't stick their necks out in broad daylight to work wagons on players that are threatening or inconvenient. They shut up about it during the day, and nightkill them. Right there, you "logic" breaks down.

Well actually they do sometimes. If scum think they can get away with making a pro-town looking player/role suspicious, they could very well do it.
You make a bad assumption.

Is my bad assumption any worse that yours?

Scot is the creative director, the most important game role. Without a creative director, we have no PR's [...] So attacking the creative director like you did over such a minor thing looks suss.

I don't think anyone was clear on that when I was testing scotmany's mettle; that certainly was the case for me.

[Yosarian2]

I don't think it qualifies as "logic."

FOS: Yosarian
vote: Budja

It's completly logical that scum would be looking for a reason to lynch the CD, if the CD is town. You really seemed to be reaching to try to find reasons to attack the CD. Therefore...

[Yosarian2]

Nice OMGUS. Now why don't you tell me

why

my logic fails.

It would have to be logic in the first place, which it isn't.

Scum doesn't stick their necks out in broad daylight to work wagons on players that are threatening or inconvenient. They shut up about it during the day, and nightkill them. Right there, you "logic" breaks down.

Unless they can't. And with the bus driver, scum won't be able to kill the CD at night.

Scotmany was neither threat nor inconvenience to scum. Your "logic" takes another hit.

Um...he's the creative director. He gives out ALL of the power roles. If two creative directors die, or get lynched, or whatever, then boom, no more power roles, EVER. The CD is the biggest single asset the town has, and therefore the biggest threat to scum.

Not only that, it's not going to work for you to play dumb and act like you didn't know that, since it's already all been discussed in thread.

Yeah, the logic looks pretty solid to me.

[Adel]

Since I don't think that scum stick their necks out in broad daylight to work wagons on players that are threatening or inconvenient, that is exactly what I was doing. Now I don't understand why everyone is voting for me.

fixed.

unvote, vote: Ren Hoek

[vollkan]

Mind explaining the basis upon which you asserted that I was "posting so much elsewhere"?

to see what your response time was, and if anyone else would follow my vote.

glad to see that you are active again.

who do you think is scum?

Nothing concrete yet, but if I had to vote it would go on Ren Hoek for what seemed to be massive overreaching.

how about now?

In all of the five posts between my answer to the last time you asked me, and this post (yours, not mine), no.

unvote, vote crywolf

Because?

unvote, vote crywolf

um...k.

Vote: Sera

More from me after work.

Ditto.

If this is random voting, I don't think that's appropriate at this point in time, given that there is actually proper discussion going on. It's effectively an active lurking tool.

vote: Ren Hoek

Started suspicion onto the creative director for a bad reason (saying random picks are bad/scummy). The scum would certainly want the director (if not scum) removed so this feels a little bad to me.

I like this logic a lot.

Unvote:Budja

; it was basically a vote for flying under the radar, and with this post, he's not flying under the radar anymore.

Vote: Ren Hoek

I don't think it qualifies as "logic."

FOS: Yosarian
vote: Budja

1) Ren's reasoning was bad
2) Ren's actions have obvious scum motivation
3) Therefore, a vote on Ren is justified

It isn't lynch material, but it's hardly not logical.

Scum doesn't stick their necks out in broad daylight to work wagons on players that are threatening or inconvenient. They shut up about it during the day, and nightkill them. Right there, you "logic" breaks down.

But scum who know (or think) that scum don't stick their necks in such a manner out have an obvious incentive to do so. This is just WIFOM play. Adel's 426 pretty much captures this exactly.

Vote: Ren Hoek

[TDC]

unvote, vote crywolf

Because?

She wanted to hear more from Seraphim, but didn't actually ask him anything. Seemed like a poor excuse to go into "I'm not posting anything because I'm waiting for replies"-mode.

[Korts]

Sorry guys; busy day, vote count and activity check coming up tonight (6 hours from now)