Newbie game 806: Game over (the scums win)

[somerand0mguy]

@iPeanut: Yes, worthless was too strong of a word. Perhaps we'll agree that it's more effective after a scum flip.

@somerand0mguy: While in itself your waiting for D2 is not the scummiest thing you can do, it's not appreciated on this site. If you are gathering notes, why not ask some questions of the other players in order to expand your database?

Ok then,just give me a minute to read over my notes.

Vote count

(9 players alive = 5 to lynch before deadline)
(2) d3x - Zachrulez, HowardRoark
(1) iPeanut - Toledo88
(1) somerand0mguy - sigma
(1) HowardRoark - d3x

Not voting:

Dizzle, iPeanut, somerand0mguy, spiritMSTR

Deadline

: 16 July

[somerand0mguy]

Ok I have two major suspects (but keep in mind that I am not completely sure,just kind of an educated hunch)

First suspect:D3X
Reasons why?:He seems to come off to strong and quite frankly I cant understand what he says completely,due to his large amount of quotes
Also he even knows he's creating a "fire"

Time to jump back in with some more fuel for the fire. Man I love to hear/see myself talk.

So he is either trying to get conversation started with lots of heat. Or he is a scum trying to get every confused (which hes done to me o.O)

Second suspect:SpiritMSTR
Reasons why?: He posts that im suspicious for not posting much,but then he doesnt come back even when blatantly asked a question. He has doesn't have enough content as me in this ONE post. And how come I'm the one being suspicious of lack of content when he obviously is acting kind of scummy?

[HowardRoark]

I have no problems with most of your response. The only thing that I want to point out is

I am very clearly saying not to lynch him. "Do not push this over the edge".

What you said, the way you said it, sounds more like the way I interpreted it than "don't lynch him." Being that this is only your second game, I will bow and say, my misinterpretation. In the future, be aware of how you are saying things.

Speaking of which, what was your first game? I'd like to look at it.

Post 54 & 94 "reconciliation": I was encouraging somerand0mguy to participate and letting him know that he was actively lurking. Since, I have kept him on my short list and encouraged him to participate. That's how I handle first-timers.

I hope you are not advocating "chaining lynches."

1

Putting more words into my mouth?

2

I don't even know what that is.

1

I didn't say, "You

are

advocating" so no words were put into your mouth.

2

Chain lynching is setting up your next lynch based on the unknown of the player you are currently hoping to hang.

Point to me where I'm surprised or even lamenting the fact that I'm receiving a lot of attention.

Didn't say you did. There was concerned about "tunneling" and a lot of it was directed at you. Prolific postings often leads to much attention.

It helps me to find Scum like you.

Your "town" gambit of putting Toledo88 to L-2 to draw out the scum is controversial. It also has apparently not worked.

Are you ignoring my statements just for fun?

These are strategies that I'm making up as I go along... If something doesn't work, this is the place to find out, right?

No, just making a comment. (FYI . . . Per this site's "norms": Gambits are usually attempted by scum and town calling there play a gambit or trap is often frowned upon.)

Overall, I don't see much of a case and see this as more of an OMGUS. Perhaps a quick summary would help myself and others understand what you find scummy about my play.

[d3x]

Speaking of which, what was your first game? I'd like to look at it.

Gladly. Newbie 782

I know that you aren't completely calling my vote an OMGUS, only saying that it leans that way. I would actually say that if it was an OMGUS, I'd have passed over 2 or 3 real nice opportunities on others to do it. My suspicions are legitimate, IMO.

I'll try to keep this as concise as possible, without my

many

quotations.

1. A case has been built against me for misrepresenting. If that's scummy, then your misrepresenting is also scummy.
2. You are misdirecting. Bringing up Chain Lynching, etc.
3. You're not reading my posts and questioning things I have already pointed out in other earlier posts.
4. Your initial vote was limited and based off of parrotted information.
5. Apparent contradiction with how you're handling rand0m's lurking. "LAL" in your first post to "don't worry about it" in your recent posts.

Regarding the gambit thing, point taken, thanks. I'm used to chess and plays that are risky but come with great reward are commonly refered to as gambits.

[Johoohno]

Replacement

spiritMSTR is replaced by Rashilul (effective immediately). Thanks!

[sigma]

Just wanted to respond briefly to my question before I head out of town for the weekend. I'll try and keep up with the thread, but don't expect much from me until Monday.

If you feel that I misrepresented you {scummily or not}, I am sorry. That was not my intention. When I read your statement, I thought you were asking for the RVS to be skipped. With that said, please reconcile these 2 statements...

I do think the implication is definitely there

I did not intend to ask for RVS to be skipped

If the implication is there to skip the RVS, you are the only one who could have put it there. Is it an accidental implication? Afterall, you ultimately just said that you didn't intend your own implication.

That's exactly right. I didn't intend to imply it. On re-reading it, I believed it did, even if I didn't intend it. I don't think accidental implication is exactly uncommon in Mafia.

[d3x]

Fair enough. Have a great and safe weekend!

[Rashilul]

Ok, looks like I'm replacing spiritMSTR.

[Rashilul]

From what I have read, d3x is acting pretty suspicious.
Somerand0mguy is also acting pretty suspicious.

[Zachrulez]

From what I have read, d3x is acting pretty suspicious.
Somerand0mguy is also acting pretty suspicious.

Can you elaborate on why?

It's helpful if you are more specific in your thought process.

[Rashilul]

Can you elaborate on why?

It's helpful if you are more specific in your thought process.

So far it's just a hunch. If I had any real reason I would have voted. Dx3 seems to be denying stuff a bit to much and in pretty much all the mafiascum games I've read that's what mafia members usually do. Just a hunch though.

[Toledo25]

Sorry all for my sudden lack of activity, I hope on posting something worthwhile tomorrow. Also, welcome to the game Rashilul!
When you say mafiascum games, do you mean on this site (it's what it's called, after all)? Because it says you just joined. Or you might just mean mafia games in general, clarify please.

[Rashilul]

Sorry all for my sudden lack of activity, I hope on posting something worthwhile tomorrow. Also, welcome to the game Rashilul!
When you say mafiascum games, do you mean on this site (it's what it's called, after all)? Because it says you just joined. Or you might just mean mafia games in general, clarify please.

Games on and off the site. You don't need an account to look at them.

[d3x]

Welcome Rashilul!

So I'm wondering. Townies accused of being scummy in the games you've read, what do they do?

As a general rule, I don't have a problem with playing on hunches, but with all the information that's been thrown out there, can't you find anything about me that backs your read of scummy?

That

I find a bit suspect.

[d3x]

@rand0m- I'm sorry if I'm confusing you, I'm not trying to. Innocent question- is English your primary language? It's not at all meant to be a dig at you, but some of your phrasing seems to be a bit off and you say you're not understanding me very well.

Regarding the quote you used in p101.
-The fire I was refering to is the flurry focused on my play. Pretty much each time I make a substantial post, there's a lot of activity centered on it. By posting more, I'm adding "more fuel to the fire".
-The "hear/see myself talk" thing is a mild dig at Dizzle. He said that in p91, and I read it as refering to me.

[somerand0mguy]

@rand0m- I'm sorry if I'm confusing you, I'm not trying to. Innocent question- is English your primary language? It's not at all meant to be a dig at you, but some of your phrasing seems to be a bit off and you say you're not understanding me very well.

Regarding the quote you used in p101.
-The fire I was refering to is the flurry focused on my play. Pretty much each time I make a substantial post, there's a lot of activity centered on it. By posting more, I'm adding "more fuel to the fire".
-The "hear/see myself talk" thing is a mild dig at Dizzle. He said that in p91, and I read it as refering to me.

Yes it is,and so the feeling is mutual. We both just don't understand each other. And I like to wait untill the "fire" gets cold untill I put more "fuel" in the "fire".

[d3x]

Kool. With that down, I have a few questions for you.

In p53, you said that you thought I was a townie.
In your next post {p89}, you said you don't have any suspects.
Not too much later in p101, you say that I'm your top suspect.

What changed in between these posts? Why have I gone from a townie to your top suspect in such a short amount of time?

[Rashilul]

Welcome Rashilul!

So I'm wondering. Townies accused of being scummy in the games you've read, what do they do?

As a general rule, I don't have a problem with playing on hunches, but with all the information that's been thrown out there, can't you find anything about me that backs your read of scummy?

That

I find a bit suspect.

Like I said just a gut feeling. More that I hate it when people make long posts with tons of quotes telling of how they're innocent than anything else. Of course with my guessing skills your probably a townie. Also, I just got on today (yesterday?) so I don't want to vote yet.

[Toledo25]

Sorry Rash, my mind read that as "played" rather than "read".

First, nope, I don't think iP is suspicious atm.

Unvote

why aren't you saying "Hey scum, can you please come out and claim scum?"

I forgot to right "seriously" in there. My bad.

Then my question boils down to this. Did you think sigma was asking {directly or indirectly} to skip the RVS?

I read his post again. He doesn't seem to.

You say you don't have a problem with me, but under the very logic you use to go after Toledo, you could have used the same reasoning to cast a vote on me.

I dunno . . . maybe because he felt that it would be easier to attack a less experienced player and it would be easier for him to keep building a case?

Although this isn't particularly scummy, it did stand out to me. I'm one of the 2 SE, so you can't really say he might have wanted to go after someone with less experience. Zach has been in longer than me, but still.

I hope you are not advocating "chaining lynches." Until we have a scum flip, I think that looking for linkage to partners is worthless.

Don't like that statement. It helps to make possible scum pairs before hand, to see who should be lynched, and who's lynching would reveal the most info.

My playstyle is that I wait until the second day to get evidence. And in the mean while I take notes and sit quietly in the back. Is that really scummy?

It's certainly more scummy than it is towny. Everyone else can only get a better read on you if you participate from Day 1. Also, it sounds like an excuse for lurking.

These are strategies that I'm making up as I go along... If something doesn't work, this is the place to find out, right?

That statement seems a little like a default fall back plan if something doesn't work or is messed up.

Ok I have two major suspects (but keep in mind that I am not completely sure,just kind of an educated hunch)

How can you not be sure about your own thoughts?

Also, Happy 4th of July to my fellow Americans!

[somerand0mguy]

would reveal the most info.

My playstyle is that I wait until the second day to get evidence. And in the mean while I take notes and sit quietly in the back. Is that really scummy?

It's certainly more scummy than it is towny. Everyone else can only get a better read on you if you participate from Day 1. Also, it sounds like an excuse for lurking.

I hope that you realize getting a better read goes both way,townies try to figure out mafia and mafia try to find power roles,and dangerous townies. I already know i'm a townie so why can't I get a better read on everyone.Last time I checked an active mafia is more dangerous than a lurking mafia.

Ok I have two major suspects (but keep in mind that I am not completely sure,just kind of an

educated hunch

)

How can you not be sure about your own thoughts?

Also, Happy 4th of July to my fellow Americans!

Kool. With that down, I have a few questions for you.

In p53, you said that you thought I was a townie.
In your next post {p89}, you said you don't have any suspects.
Not too much later in p101, you say that I'm your top suspect.

What changed in between these posts? Why have I gone from a townie to your top suspect in such a short amount of time?

So you're telling me that I cant gain suspects? Besides I never said I still dont think you arent a townie,I just think that I'm going watch you closer to get a better "read".

[d3x]

And a happy 4th to you and others, too!

@Toledo-
I'm wondering if you could give me your thoughts on a question I've asked you a few times now.

Again, I point to my example that we only had 3 people answer your question, does that not bother you?

@rand0m-
I'm not saying you can't gain suspects, I'm

very

clearly asking why. If you don't share how you came to your conclusions, we have no way of proving you as a Townie {lurking doesn't provide us with information and that doesn't help the Town}. If you have no problems with me thinking your Scum, just let me know now.

[d3x]

I am also a bit concerned that Zach's been kind of MIA for a few days now. Since Wednesday, he's only been popping in with one liners, while being

rather

active in his other games {as far as I can tell}. So Zach... what's the deal? There are multiple players that haven't posted in a couple days, but none of them have posted in other games, either.

Also

@Everyone without an Avatar

- Could you guys get one, plz? It's a lot easier to reference who said what with these. When we get all 3 of you guys posting on the same page, things get rough for the d3x. Thanks!

[Zachrulez]

I am also a bit concerned that Zach's been kind of MIA for a few days now. Since Wednesday, he's only been popping in with one liners, while being

rather

active in his other games {as far as I can tell}. So Zach... what's the deal? There are multiple players that haven't posted in a couple days, but none of them have posted in other games, either.

Also

@Everyone without an Avatar

- Could you guys get one, plz? It's a lot easier to reference who said what with these. When we get all 3 of you guys posting on the same page, things get rough for the d3x. Thanks!

I'm here, I just need to catch up.

[Zachrulez]

Speaking of which, what was your first game? I'd like to look at it.

Gladly. Newbie 782

I know that you aren't completely calling my vote an OMGUS, only saying that it leans that way. I would actually say that if it was an OMGUS, I'd have passed over 2 or 3 real nice opportunities on others to do it. My suspicions are legitimate, IMO.

I'll try to keep this as concise as possible, without my

many

quotations.

1. A case has been built against me for misrepresenting. If that's scummy, then your misrepresenting is also scummy.
2. You are misdirecting. Bringing up Chain Lynching, etc.
3. You're not reading my posts and questioning things I have already pointed out in other earlier posts.
4. Your initial vote was limited and based off of parrotted information.
5. Apparent contradiction with how you're handling rand0m's lurking. "LAL" in your first post to "don't worry about it" in your recent posts.

Regarding the gambit thing, point taken, thanks. I'm used to chess and plays that are risky but come with great reward are commonly refered to as gambits.

As I was re-reading the game to check on d3x's I did see HR accuse you of voting for Toledo over me early on in the game as an attempt to lay an attack on a less experienced player.

I find that interesting because I raised that issue in post 59, and you went out of your way to explain yourself there.

Also to your 5th point. I've had a look at post 54, and also post 94...

Yeah, that's a rather noticeable contradiction.

Also I see a subtle attempt to push Ipeanut into voting for d3x.

Unvote: Vote: HowardRoark

[Rashilul]

Vote:d3x

his bossiness makes him seem scummy. Either that or he's just a control-freak townie.