Echo wrote:But first, I want to hear from
Anticollie
and
Lynch
, who have both been pretty quiet, before putting sideney on L-1.
I replaced yesterday, and it's taken me many hours to wade through this thread, not that I'm unhappy with it. I approve of the posting activity thus far, but it also results in slight confusion of facts here and there, especially with the replacements, so stick with me if I get some minor things incorrect.
Some first impressions as I recall them:
I've been uncomfortable with Anticollie for a while in my read, since he doesn't offer as much of his thoughts and impressions as many others. While there are benefits to his objectively analytical playstyle, especially given his IC status, I feel that this represses some information from town, and disguises who his targets and suspicions are placed on. It's been a while since he made a meaningful post outlining who he thinks to be scummy, as he usually focuses more on the gameplay aspects instead of the actual game itself. As such, I don't have much of a read on Anticollie from this ambiguous style, but he comes off as more scummy based on existing posts.
Auditor's posting style was unusual I agree, but not to the extents of being scummy and as a reason for his scumminess. Yes, it masked some information from properly being conveyed, but I mostly enjoyed his discussion throughout the latter parts of his posting, save for his vote on onion to put him on L-1, because it's
"better to lynch then no lynch"
with time still remaining.
Raskol comes off firing, with votes and foses on onion, sid and now Haylen. His case on Sideney is understandable and his case is well presented. Same too with Haylen, although he's stretching it with some of his points (most prominently his ragging of her lurking). I feel that this broadened focus on many players instead of just one is pretty pro-town. This is less likely for scum to achieve and benefit from rather than continually FoSing one player only. But your belief that lurking = scum is misguided, even if her reactions don't seem as genuine as they should. I'm also a little bit iffy on what you mean by scummy and anti-town and which of these qualities should be eradicated or analysed: they both fall under a shared category, in my opinion. Otherwise, I admire your rational persistence in your attacks. Overall, I get a strong town vibe from both auditor and Raskol.
Let's see... I get inconsistent versions of Echo through his posting. It seems as if he tried to establish himself as a player new to mafia concepts in his opening posts ("what's a FOS?"), possibly to permit the playing of the newbie card later on. Yet in recent days, he seems to come off as an intelligent player with knowledge of various phrases and terminology. I interpret his
"are you suggesting something, Cyren? Sounds to me like you're hinting at a role :/ "
as rolefishing, and I don't think a townie would feel the need to point this out to the rest of town/mafia.
Post 112, his list of suspects, seems off to me. It just feels like he's trying to read too much into auditor's posting and trying too hard to find substance which he can use against him, especially the cryptic messages encoded within. Same too with onion. It might just be me, but the whole presentation of point, question, argument, question seems deceptive to me, as if trying to setup a scumhunting facade for the town. Though I do like how he addresses posts numerically and specifically, it makes keeping track that much easier. And for your recent questions, I think the playstyles of both the replacee and replacement should be analysed to account for any possible differences in feel, and from that determine whether the WHOLE character's alignment is one way or another. One being scummy and one being town doesn't strictly negate each other, as other variations and variables must be accounted for.
I'm wary of you and not completely satisfied so far. Yet you've done enough for me not to perceive you as outright suspicious.
I was surprised by what I thought was a noticeable shift in your demeanour and personality as the thread progressed. You come off as jovial and friendly until you attract suspicion from Raskol, whereupon you seem snappy and irritated. I'm not sure if this change in mood is significantly relevant to the game or if it's simply deviating from real life matters, so I won't go into there, I just wanted to point it out.
Post 234 feels off centre for me. And it's not because of any time delays or OMGUS votes or anything, but her whole line of attack. Like Echo, except perhaps more severely, I get the impression that she's trying to find anything that can be used against the players she attacks, such as the poetic analysation of any line by auditor's that can be labelled as scummy. The 'he's hiding away as scum', 'he admits to lying' and 'he's appealing to emotion' are really stretching it: I don't see any of them as valid reasons for a case on auditor/Raskol's suspiciousness. And accusing auditor of subtly rolefishing is ludicrous, especially when Echo had explicitly made a notion of rolefishing. Also, her placement of Anticollie and Echo near the top of her town list clashes with mine own, so I guess I'm in disagreement with most of her points. This includes her accusation of Raskol tunneling on her (ESPECIALLY when she tries to deflect suspicion by mentioning it as a scumtell) as well as her 'tips' on successfully scumhunting and offering it to Raskol to get him off her. I think you've been scummy these last few posts.
Well. His vote to put my character at L-1 early on the game. I can't say I approve of it, but it isn't AS scummy as what many have portayed it to be. Sure, it's not particularly great for town to have an intent to push or encourage a quicklynch, but I actually do accept this reason that might or might not have been voiced: to stymie some discussion. And it certainly did that, and from what I can see, certainly doesn't hurt as as town, as we are able to see players loosen up and voice their suspicions on this and other matters. His explanation that "town wouldn't hammer" normally is valid theoretically except that it's also much less likely for scum to be hammering as it would certainly draw attention. The novelty he derives from it is questionable too, but, WIFOM or not, this sounds more like bored townie than deceptive scum to me. I really am OK with his L-1 vote, and I don't see why it's been a weighing factor as a reason for his D1 lynch. His subsequent posts check out, more or less, from me: he's been pretty clear in his thought processes and accusations. The only thing I'm wary of is his cool indifference to being a high target for the D1 lynch. I'm still undecided on whether this is more scum-like behaviour in order to deflect attention or town-like behaviour to calmly provide information and posts while he is still alive. I get a neutral read from onion.
No comment on Raeil. Not much to analyse there, although I remember getting a slight feel that he was acting too townie for my liking. For Nikanor, I can't say i'm too impressed with his decision to not read the posts on page 5. The more information gleaned, the better your understanding and reads. But mostly it's a neutral read from you so far. But I do agree with your views that a lurker should be lynched for Day 1 to allow town the capacity to circulate more information in later days.
To my knowledge, you've been consistent in addressing many issues all around the town, and not just dwelling on specific parts. I feel you've been making a genuine effort to help the town in all aspects. Nothing about you has really alerted me so far, so I have you as pro-town right now.
Sid's been throwing me off athroughout this thread. He seems blatantly, laughably scummy with the content and topics of his posts, namely pushing for a quicklynch, so I'm really not sure how to interpret it as. Voting players because they are "near to a lynch" is not thoughtful. Neither is "I don't mind getting lynched" especially when you know if you're a townie or not. These kinds of lines have me feeling Sid as mistaken in his actions, and not necessarily scummy. I think he really does believe a speedlynch of ANYONE will be beneficial for the town in later days, to my disagreement. Like I said, I'm not sure how to read him as anything but slightly scummy. All he has said are things regarding lynching people quickly: onion then Haylen.
To bluntly sum it up, first impressions of the first 10 pages have my scum list as:
Scummiest
Haylen
Anticollie
Echo
sideney
onion
Nikanor
ric
Raskol
Town
Unvote
for now.
~Vi
Out of curiousity, which of my games have you read? I like knowing. If you don't want to say now, I can wait til end game.
