Newbie 799 - Katana Village (Game Over!)

[James.Denholm]

James.Denholm

Belili, in your examination of the case against Mev, it seems to be that Mev supports people a fair bit. Isn't this an inherently townie trait?

By "supports" I meant supports voting for/lynching. Not supports as in defends.

how did he make this mistake...?? mevorra hasn't defended anyone at all in any of his posts. this seems to suggest that he doesn't really pay much attention to the arguments of the other posters, which directly contradicts what he mentioned about "trusting" the "legimatimate reason" made by other townies. (post 291) i find it bizarre he would be so trusting if he can't even be bothered to verify their arguments/read the thread.

he hasn't made any effort to find scum. he merely "trusts" the reaction of other players and go with the flow, and are happy lynching the biggest target. this seems to be a sign of scummy logic...

Don't say that. I have read the thread. Admittedly, it was more of a skim-read than a full, in-depth mental analysis of every single post, but I was in the middle of exams at the time. It was just a small, simple mistake. And what do you mean, I don't pay much attention to the arguments of other posters?

You quote 291. Let's have a look at 291:

Huh. I only just noticed the other line of pika's post:

he says that he can't see any scum in Mevorra, but he doesn't seem at all opposed to a Mevorra lynch.

I'm not terribly opposed to a Mev lynch because there are others (a lot of others) that are voting for him. It's possible that two scum are on that wagon, sure, but that leaves two townies, two which I hope have legitimate reasons to vote for Mev.

What are you talking about, trust?

There is no mention of trust in that post.

All I'm saying is that I'm not going to stand in the way of a Mev lynch. If I was trusting people, I'd hammer him! Just because I'm not opposed to a Mev lynch doesn't mean I'm going to support it. If I was happy lynching the biggest target, I would have hammered him.

More later.

[edmund.angles]

Green:
I didn't like how he jumped on the Mevorra wagon without much justification and then jumped of when he was asked to provide it. To me it sounds like he didn't have much in the first place and it smells scummy to me.

Weeping:
no alarm bells ringing, her defences of her questionable behaviour seems consistent with the original posts to me.

Mevorra:
Even if people don't agree with what I consider scum signals I still consider them so. And I don't consider him laying low a town signal.
@Mevorra: Who is your prefered lynch now?

pika:
Questioning logic, scumhunting, seems pro-town

prefered lynches:
Mevorra, GD, Belili

[GreenDude]

@edmund: You obviously haven't been reading my posts. I've exlained my votes THREE TIMES.

[nureins]

No, I am saying there is no one who has proved them self to be scum, as in they have beyond a doubt proven their guilt,

so I would like to consider each one of you carefully

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WHEN?

[nureins]

I am busy the next 4 days.
I ask Tenchi for an extension due to the last minute replacement (id like the new player having at least a couple of days to exchange opinions).
I want all people not voting saying openly who they want to lynch.

I am happy with a mevorra or weeping lynch. If this cannot happen, id re-consider the rest of players carefully. I am pushing mevorra first as right now I consider him a little more suspicious.

[nureins]

I want to notice how the non-voting players have not initiated ANY SERIOUS WAGON. They therefore want mevorra lynched, despite what they say. They are very anti-town by doing so.

[GreenDude]

@nureins: I would prefer the deadline not extended because I will not be here from July 3rd on. I also would like a chance to find out who gets killed during the night.

Since the deadline is coming up soon (regardless of whether we get an extension or not), and discussion is slowing. I think that discussion will pick up if we start voting weepingwind because everyone has voiced their opinions on mevorra and he has given his defence. We need to get a move on.

vote: Weepingwind

[GreenDude]

Hey, what happened to wickedswami??

[WeepingWind]

I'm sorry but I won't be able to play anymore as of now. Please have me replaced

regards:

Wickedswami

That's what happened to wickedswami.

btw, I'll be at a camp tomorrow (as I was today) so If you all decide to vote for me like GreenDude suggested, I probably won't respond immediately.

[GreenDude]

Well, at least it'll get other people to start talking. As it did last time

[edmund.angles]

@edmund: You obviously haven't been reading my posts. I've exlained my votes THREE TIMES.

That just isn't true, you said you wanted something to happen, that just doesn't cut. You never explained why Mevorra should be lynched.

[nureins]

... voiced their opinions on mevorra and he has given his defence. We need to get a move on.

Might you tell us which of the points in my case (and edmunds' one) are no longer valid as scummy signals?

Do you find any of Mevorra wagonners scummy?
Which is the reason that someone you consider townie has risen so much interest, in your opinion?

With respect to get a move on, we have a move on. mevorra is at L-2 and he might receive new votes. If you want to force a different lynch, I suggest you to provide arguments and stimulate the non-voters...

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Currently I am happy with my vote. Be careful with deadline, please.

[pikapizza]

WeepingWind

Just because all of my vague suspicions and groundless accusations aren't immediately clear to you doesn't mean I am not looking for the scum.

if you have no suspects at the end of D1, what's clear is that you're not trying very hard.... it doesn't seem to matter to you at all whether you find scum or not.

i'm glad that you know that your suspicious are indeed "vague" and your accusations are "groundless".

Actually all of you fighting is producing a lot of helpful materiel.

on the other hand, you lurking in the background saying a lot of nothing is providing no helpful material on you.

your behaviour through the entire game has been anti-town. you have not promoted discussion, and you have consistently tried to stay in the background. the only time you bother making big posts is to defend yourself.

I didn't abruptly change my mind. I wasn't very suspicious of Mevorra to begin with (you asked for "any suspicions") and I voiced suspicions towards him to let him clear or incriminate himself.

if you lied about being suspicious of mevorra, who ARE you suspicious of ??

I am glad you are able to put forth clear suspicions now.

unlike yours, my suspicions have always been clear.

I want to notice how the non-voting players have not initiated ANY SERIOUS WAGON. They therefore want mevorra lynched, despite what they say. They are very anti-town by doing so.

yes !!!

you say you believe that Mevorra is town, yet you propose no alternatives. if you do nothing, the end result will be the same as you hammering... Mevorra will be lynched. you really don't care if an innocent townie (by your reckoning) is lynched ???

i would also like to note that the way you defended yourself in post 309 is very weak. saying "i wouldn't do this if i were scum" is just lots and lots of WIFOM and useless -- it proves nothing.

James.Denholm

What are you talking about, trust? There is no mention of trust in that post.

sorry, i shouldn't have put that in quotes. my intended meaning was that what you were doing was similar to "trust", but not quite. you do seem to believe that the wagonners have reasons to lynch Mevorra, though ???

If I was trusting people, I'd hammer him! Just because I'm not opposed to a Mev lynch doesn't mean I'm going to support it.

in other words, you're not opposed to the lynch of one you believe to be a townie ?? as nureins said, even if you're not voting for him, doing nothing will essentially lead to the same result -- Mevorra will get lynched.

[GreenDude]

Before I put mevorra a L-1, there was absolutely no discussion. So I placed mevorra a L-1 to get people talking. And it worked perfectly. If I hadn't placed that vote then nothing would have happened until a day before the deadline. I think it does cut it because he wasn't going to get lynched.

@nureins: I didn't say that your points against mevorra were invalid. I said we need to consider other people as well. I would like to lynch either weepingwind or mevorra. Weepingwind preferable, but I don't think anyone is going to vote her as well so I'm fine with lynching mevorra.

[GreenDude]

There are 3 people missing. Wickedswami isn't here, mevorra gave up on defending himself, and Belili vanished. What happened to Belili??

[Tenchi]

From this point on,

tubby216

will be replacing Wickedswami.

(Please confirm SE/IC status.)

Thanks!

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Belili and Mevorra have been prodded.

[Tenchi]

No deadline extensions.

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VOTE COUNT

(3) Mevorra - nureins, edmund.angles, Belili

(2) WeepingWind - pikapizza, GreenDude
(1) Belili - tubby216

Not Voting: WeepingWind, Mevorra, James.Denholm

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: July 3, 2009 12:01 pm PST

[tubby216]

hi all replacing in and i am an SE

so i have been around the block a time or five,

give me a day or so to read to catch up anyone have anything in particular you want me to pay attention too?

[WeepingWind]

WeepingWind
if you have no suspects at the end of D1, what's clear is that you're not trying very hard.... it doesn't seem to matter to you at all whether you find scum or not.

i'm glad that you know that your suspicious are indeed "vague" and your accusations are "groundless".

I get that a lot. I don't "seem to" much of anything, just because it doesn't seem that way doesn't make it truth. But in this game, I am at the mercy of the mob, a impressions are everything.

You are glad that I have no solid cases when in the previous paragraph you cast suspicion on me for this?

on the other hand, you lurking in the background saying a lot of nothing is providing no helpful material on you.

your behaviour through the entire game has been anti-town. you have not promoted discussion, and you have consistently tried to stay in the background. the only time you bother making big posts is to defend yourself.

Tried? I haven't tried to stay in the background, I am actually trying to do the opposite; though I have apparently failed. And "bother" to make big posts? I just can't stretch what I want to say so it appears bigger, I am a concise person.

if you lied about being suspicious of mevorra, who ARE you suspicious of ??

Lied? I think you mean exaggerated. Who do I suspect? At the moment, I am examining Belili and James.Denholm.

unlike yours, my suspicions have always been clear.

Only as clear as you make them.

you say you believe that Mevorra is town, yet you propose no alternatives. if you do nothing, the end result will be the same as you hammering... Mevorra will be lynched. you really don't care if an innocent townie (by your reckoning) is lynched ???

Look, already some of you have stated I am your favorite for a lynch, isn't that an alternative? And as I am town, I will win if the rest of the town wins. Though either way we lose a townie. Actually, I would like to know for sure what Mevorra's alignment is, and the only way is through death, though it would be a waste of a lynch and a townie.

i would also like to note that the way you defended yourself in post 309 is very weak. saying "i wouldn't do this if i were scum" is just lots and lots of WIFOM and useless -- it proves nothing.

Isn't a lynch an execution without due process of law? Shouldn't I present my case in front of the town (in lieu of a judge or jury) in an unbiased manner and let you decide?


Welcome tubby216! Just try to state your suspicions and such as soon as possible, because we don't have much time left until the deadline.

[GreenDude]

@weepingwind:Actually a lynch is technically a hanging which does involve a court. However, this is katana village and we don't have a court. We just have jury, executioners, and judges combined into the people of the village. If we don't base our opinions on what you say then what should we base our opinions on???
And pika isn't glad that you don't have any suspiciouns but glad that you know that you're suspiciouns are vague!
You ARE trying to stay in the background. If you actually tried to be part of the action, pika wouldn't be saying that you are trying to stay in the background.
Big posts are NOT small talk extended but an entire read-up about a person. And yet again pika is right. Your big post that you just posted is a defence.
If you read through pika's post he'll show what he means by lied.
You just said that you are EXAMINING Belili and James, not SUSPICIOUS of them but EXAMINING. Why are you using those words??

Look, already some of you have stated I am your favorite for a lynch, isn't that an alternative? And as I am town, I will win if the rest of the town wins. Though either way we lose a townie. Actually, I would like to know for sure what Mevorra's alignment is, and the only way is through death, though it would be a waste of a lynch and a townie.

That's not answering the question. The question is why aren't you defending mevorra instead of doing nothing??

Isn't a lynch an execution without due process of law? Shouldn't I present my case in front of the town (in lieu of a judge or jury) in an unbiased manner and let you decide?

Again, that's not answering the question. The question is: Your defense was weak because you used WIFOM.



I think Pikapizza is an invaluable player is helping us out a lot. I think he has contributed the most and that is pro-town.

[Belili]

Is it just me or have we been running around in circles these past few days?

I'm really not sure what to say anymore - we're all grasping at straws here

[Mevorra]

Agreed. And @GD, yes I ceased defending myself, since I've said what has to be said.

[GreenDude]

@mevorra: If I recall correctly you didn't say much.

@Belili: I'd have to disagree. We have suspiciouns on mevorra and weepingwind. I don't see that as running around in circles.


Happy Canada Day!!

[Mevorra]

I answered any question you had, and explained what I was doing.

[edmund.angles]

@Mevorra: I agree that you have adressed the accusations. That I didn't find that your answers removed my suspicions doesn't change that. What I suggest you do is to tell us who you find scummiest and who you would prefer to lynch like everybody else.