The way that last post sounded i thought you were going to begin holding back glad to hear that is not the case.ckool5000 wrote:Hey, aren't I posting a bunch?... It may not be the best posts, but at least I'm trying.
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Why don't they pass a constitutional amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as well as prohibition did, in five years Americans would be the smartest race of people on Earth.├óÔé¼-
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Quantity =/= Quality. Active lurkers can still post a ton and be unhelpful. Mastin and Zazie (for the most part) have tons of posts with lots of content. If you can't post a ton, that's okay, but make them worthwhile, not just, "Hi, checking in, don't replace me." Those do nothing for us.ckool5000 wrote:Hey, aren't I posting a bunch?... It may not be the best posts, but at least I'm trying.-
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Can you point to a single "checking in" post that I've made, or anything like that?fallen angel wrote: If you can't post a ton, that's okay, but make them worthwhile, not just, "Hi, checking in, don't replace me." Those do nothing for us.http://ckool5000.mybrute.com
What I've always wanted to hear from someone:
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Look, all I wanted to point out was that I'm not very good with huge content posts. I post whatever the first couple of things that come to mind that might benefit the town. I hold back a little bit... you know, so that it's not just a bunch of random junk, but I try.http://ckool5000.mybrute.com
What I've always wanted to hear from someone:
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Not saying that you did, I'm just saying don't in the future, even if large posts are hard. Do small ones. Point out suspicions. We don't all have to have extremely long posts.ckool5000 wrote:
Can you point to a single "checking in" post that I've made, or anything like that?fallen angel wrote: If you can't post a ton, that's okay, but make them worthwhile, not just, "Hi, checking in, don't replace me." Those do nothing for us.-
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....Okay!fallen angel wrote:ckool5000 wrote:
Not saying that you did, I'm just saying don't in the future, even if large posts are hard. Do small ones. Point out suspicions. We don't all have to have extremely long posts.http://ckool5000.mybrute.com
What I've always wanted to hear from someone:
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FoS: ckool5000
1.) "yay scum doctor is dead" post. I think Mastin went over this at one point. (granted i think at this point it would have been hard for mastin to NOT mention something)
2.) saying that "lol" is a scumtell. complete nonsense.
3.) while speculating about which groups/people would have targeted which people...
seems waaaay too sure of his analysis. it could have easily been WIFOM or a mafia/SK using random.org to pick a target.And how is it WIFOM? The mafia would want to keep an easily lynchable person in the game. Case closed.
4.) Calling people lurkers in a game with 10+ pages that started less than 24 hours ago...people have lives/work/are slow readers.
HoS: Johnny Rotten
1.) Wanting to lynch Mastin on playstyle rather than post content or any evidence at all. Especially since mastin's been one of the most active scum hunters.
2.) Saying that voting was a possible scumtell based on game phase. absurd.
3.)
saying he's too lazy to look for questions posed to him also means he's too lazy to go back and look at posts for scum tells. combined with 1 means he's more concerned about eliminating the player he is least fond of more than the scum.BTW, I feel as though I am neglecting to answer a question posed to me earlier.....and to be honest, I am too lazy right now to go looking for it. So, if it is your question that I missed, please re-post, or direct me to the original one, and I will be happy to!
Concerning the miller claim:
no reason to lynch him, at least early on. it's exactly what an actual miller should have done. the most interesting part is basically rofl's reaction, when he says kublai is as good as confirmed town. i have the idea he basically said this as an attempt to draw out people who disagree and think the claim was scummy, otherwise that assumption doesn't make a lot of sense to me. i know rofl made a post about the drawbacks of scum claiming miller, but it assumes that kublai would have thought about all those factors as scum and therefore not thought it was a good idea.
basically i agree with the majority - the claim itself is a nulltell.
Concerning Mastin's posting:
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@ckool5000 (252): The game may be 11 pages, but it's only 2 days old. They aren't lurking. They're catching up. You're engaging in fake scum-hunting.
I'm a regular Emerald Miller. I show up as scum on Investigations, but will be revealed as town after death.Mastin (255) wrote:It seems like poor practice to not PM the mod for clarification on what type of miller you are.
Please do so now.
I don't understand the question. The flavor is that the role is called "Emerald Miller". I guess it fits into the game because it makes sense for an Emerald Miller to live in Emerald City. (This is a pretty dumb question. Am I missing something special?)Mastin (271) wrote:Mind explaining how your role, flavor-wise, would fit into this game?
Dude, I wasn't going to waste my time listing every possible alternative scenario and sequentially ask why he didn't pick each one. I picked the most radically extreme opposite example from his assumption and went with that.Mastin (255) wrote:Your words, were, essentially, "why didn't you consider the possibility that we have a really lucky vig?"
There are many possible scenarios.
You called him out for assuming one, and then seemed to assume a scenario yourself.
When other options clearly exist.
This is what needs explaining.
"why didn't you consider the possibility that we have a really lucky vig?" does not equal "I think we had a lucky vig, how about you?" no matter how hard you try to twist my words.
I asked 4 questions about metaing. You put smileys on half the answers, so I assume you were giving joking sarcastic answers, then you refused to explain yourself. You've mentioned several times that you're no longer joking around and that you're scum-hunting, but it still feels like you're not taking the game seriously.Mastin (255) wrote:Eh, remind me what your questions were, again?
Hypocrisy is kinda a big scum-tell. Your posting style may be unique, but you're just as human as the rest of us. And being human means that you commit tells as scum.Mastin (255) wrote:...Because I'm different from most players.
Why else?
Are you really surprised by this very true response?
Really, I'm different. Most things like that don't apply to me.Occasionally intellectually honest
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1. Well okay then... Some of them said they'd catch up near the start of the game... Just forget I ever said it.Kublai Khan wrote:@ckool5000 (252): The game may be 11 pages, but it's only 2 days old. They aren't lurking. They're catching up. You're engaging in fake scum-hunting.
2. No... I'm just trying to get some more opinions in here.http://ckool5000.mybrute.com
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Why so much defense of JR? My name honestly did not have to be brought up in order to save-face for JR (you later say I'm leaning towards the scummy side, which makes it seem like I'm scum attacking a townie, know what I mean?).fallen angel wrote:Johnny Rotten- Waiting for his big post, but the case Kise put on him seems really weak. Not enough posts for a guess at alignment.
Kise- Weak vote on JR. Tried to put up a reason for it, and failed. Possible softclaim of a killing role, then backtracks. Neutral leaning towards scummy.
Uh oh, ckool. He ell-o-ell'd!Johnny Rotten wrote:So, what your basically saying is, my assumptions were wrong. LOL
KK's post here is rather interesting. Zazie got caught slipping and she still has a chance to break my heart.. my achey-breaky heart. I would encourage her to explain/comment on Khan's exposure of her.
Me third.Mastin wrote:At the very least, Kublai Khan was being inconsistent--he called two people out for debating what killed who, and then goes off to speculate that the mafia doctor kill was a really lucky vig.
Agreed. I want this as well.Far wrote:I'll let KK explain it though
I don't really mind this speculation on my "claim." If anyone wants to ask me about it, shoot away. I won't shout "ROLEFISHER" or anything.. promise.. Khan is still cool as far as I'm concerned. He did sorta rolefish by asking me whether I'm a killer, but that's understandable. My post was quite iffy and possibly left the door open for speculation/WIFOM. Although there's not much you can get out of whether or not I am a killer, ask away if you feel you must.
However[!], I do (personally) think that anyone asking, "Hey, do you guys think another mafia did the 3rd kill or an SK?," is trying to bait for something.. For instance, if someone here was apart of the B-mafia or another Killer and they blurted out, "Yeah I think it was the 2nd mafia" or "I think it was another vig who did this kill," that would pretty much hint to the questioner whether the answerer had something to do with the 3rd kill. None of you have to comment on this; just wanted share my thoughts.
Ouch...fallen angel wrote:Also, his scumhunting/attempt at it seemed more like stuff in theRoad to Rome.
MafiaMann wrote:You definitely said leaning towards scum. Are you changing what you said initially?
Same thing?fallen angel wrote:No(?), but I saidleaningtowards scum.They have escaped into the mansion where they thought it was safe.
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Oh Em Gee! Such a big deal! lol.Kise wrote:
Uh oh, ckool. He ell-o-ell'd!Johnny Rotten wrote:So, what your basically saying is, my assumptions were wrong. LOL
Oh no, now I ell-o-ell'd!http://ckool5000.mybrute.com
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Not really. He says that earlier I found him scummy and now I'm recanting. I said he seemed neutral but I thought some of the stuff he did was a bit scummy. Nothing to really sway me either way. More tomorrow, going to bed now.Kise wrote:[...]MafiaMann wrote:You definitely said leaning towards scum. Are you changing what you said initially?
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Real-life days.FA wrote:@Mastin- It's still only D1.
In fact, it's been over 48 hours since d1 started, correct? (Or was that 24? My memory sucks. :/)
Anyway,Mod: Are prods in order?(Or was that three days? :/)
Rev wrote:(granted i think at this point it would have been hard for mastin to NOT mention something)
At the moment, though, I am definitely leaning towards ckool being town. His style of mostly defensive posts reminds me of some of my games. The games where I don't post a great deal, and when I do post, it's mostly defensive. Most of said games, I was town, mind you.
I believe I heard at least two people here agree with that tell--are they scummy as well for it?2.) saying that "lol" is a scumtell.
Why don't you vote, then?HoS: Johnny Rotten
Yea...this is the main point against him.1.) Wanting to lynch Mastin on playstyle rather than post content or any evidence at all.
Yup.Especially since mastin's been one of the most active scum hunters.
This gets a massive quote for truth.no reason to lynch him, at least early on. it's exactly what an actual miller should have done. the most interesting part is basically rofl's reaction, when he says kublai is as good as confirmed town. i have the idea he basically said this as an attempt to draw out people who disagree and think the claim was scummy, otherwise that assumption doesn't make a lot of sense to me. i know rofl made a post about the drawbacks of scum claiming miller, but it assumes that kublai would have thought about all those factors as scum and therefore not thought it was a good idea.
Zaz does it, too!He makes it incredibly hard to catch up if you miss anything.
You didn't answer one of my questions--Khan wrote:I'm a regular Emerald Miller.
Why didn't you immediately say you were an Emerald Miller?
You initially said just Miller.
There is not a miller around who does not. :/I show up as scum on Investigations
Revealed as a townie, or a miller?but will be revealed as town after death.
It had a purpose, involving how much flavor text you're given in your PM. (Like why you're a miller, why you came to Emerald City, etc. Standard Flavor stuff.)I don't understand the question. The flavor is that the role is called "Emerald Miller". I guess it fits into the game because it makes sense for an Emerald Miller to live in Emerald City. (This is a pretty dumb question. Am I missing something special?)
You should've. At least list two possibilities, in order to make sure you're getting the point across.Dude, I wasn't going to waste my time listing every possible alternative scenario and sequentially ask why he didn't pick each one.
But, again, why did you only list one? Why not at least two? Sure, you don't have to do all (although I find that to be helpful), but that doesn't mean you should only do just one...I picked the most radically extreme opposite example from his assumption and went with that.
"why didn't you consider the possibility that we have a really lucky vig?" can have several interpretations. The most common two that come to my mind are"why didn't you consider the possibility that we have a really lucky vig?" does not equal "I think we had a lucky vig, how about you?"
1: Inside knowledge. Like scum, who made another kill, and by extent, know the other kill was likely a lucky vig, in this scenario.
2: A breadcrumb to one's own role--impossible, considering how you claimed plain ol' miller.
Can you understand the interpretation of your post, now?
Hmm...Want me to go digging for them again?I asked 4 questions about metaing.
Smileys do not always equal a not-serious answer. Normally, yes, but if you want to make sure, just ask; I'll answer serious, semi-serious, or a joke.You put smileys on half the answers
Poor assumption. I assume this was not the RVS, correct?so I assume you were giving joking sarcastic answers
Then it's very doubtfully a joking/sarcastic comment. (Although possible.)
You only recently brought up the point, again. I posted an answer, be it serious or joke, I'd need to see my actual response to be sure. You didn't ask for an explanation. You asked why I wasn't taking your meta questions seriously, which in turn, makes me post the answer that I did.then you refused to explain yourself.
I am.You've mentioned several times that you're no longer joking around and that you're scum-hunting
Blame Zaz.but it still feels like you're not taking the game seriously.
If it were to be hypocritical, sure.Hypocrisy is kinda a big scum-tell.
But, really, it's not.
People using my RVS comments are scummy because I am ME--I am KNOWN to do this regardless of alignment, making it a null tell. The pro-town response is to ignore my RVS posts until I declare, at the end of one of my long posts, "Okay, the RVS is over." At which point, I scum hunt.
Me using others' RVS comments is fine. They don't have their meta to support behaviors such as that.
I see no way to make that into a hypocrisy.
I'm different.
Rules such as that RVS one that is part of one of my MITs don't apply to me.
Enough by itself, in my opinion, to seal the deal on the difference.Your posting style may be unique
So?but you're just as human as the rest of us.
Humanity has nothing to do with what tells apply to who, and when.
Yea, of course I do. But that isn't one of them.And being human means that you commit tells as scum.
Actually, it's attacking you. The only way it's a defense is if FA's Chainsaw Defensing, a tell which, as the wiki article states, requires for either the person doing it, or the person being defended, to flip scum.Kise wrote:Why so much defense of JR?
Yea, I get the idea.My name honestly did not have to be brought up in order to save-face for JR (you later say I'm leaning towards the scummy side, which makes it seem like I'm scum attacking a townie, know what I mean?).
It's your tell, you know.I'm back! Well, kind-of.No Access on Weekends. :/
Advid reader/contributor to MD, as I'm far better in theory than I am in reality. :P
True to my word, I'm retiring. Totally not me. :P-
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urg god damn it mastin i really don't think every individual clause of every sentence needs to be quoted separately and responded to. i'm about to retreat into my "don't explain anything i'm thinking" shell and respond to things only with votes and lists of who i'm willing to lynch.
speaking of lists of who i'm willing to lynch:
mastin
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lets make it happensoi soi soi
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Not that I'm trying to put you on the wagon, but how come you don't find Rotten's dialogue to be fishy?
I agree that MM is also a heavily suspicious, hence why I FoS'd him earlier. I'm waiting for bigger scum-behavior from hayker & FA, butIGMEOthem.They have escaped into the mansion where they thought it was safe.
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See post 140. Back then, I hadn''t seen that post of yours in which you slipped up. But due to a simulpost of me and ckool, I saw the part in which you slipped up.Kublai wrote:
ckool5000.ZazieR (234) wrote:ORLY? Whose evidence did I use then? Because I'm positive that I only mentioned your quote in my post which had my vote included. So explain where I did so.
Your vote is the direct result of piggy-backing someone else's evidence. Quit pretending like I'm making things up.ZazieR (140) wrote:Wow. Thanks for posting ckool.
Vote Kublai
Obv scumslip in the quote from him that ckool just posted. Will comment more when I get at that post.
My Role PM says Emerald Miller. I assumed that if I was a death miller (or other miller variant), then iamausername would have told me.ZazieR (234) wrote:Obv scum lying about his role. Note that he claims that he wasn't sure if he was a regular miller or a death miller, yet didn't ask the mod what he was.But if you insist, I'll double check with iamausername.
I don't know. However, I strongly doubt that it was the Cerulean Mafia.ZazieR (234) wrote:It shows a lot. But before I explain, which role do you think killed Konowa: SK, vig or a mafia role?
Also, note that ckool didn''t mention anything about a slip-up.
So explain how I''m using his evidence.
Note the bolded. He''s trying to ''please'' me, and he apparently didn''t have any intention to double check, while he claims to haven''t been sure about his role.
Great answer So of four possible killing roles/groups youstrongly doubtthat the Cerulean mafia killed one of their own.
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Which I still think is weird as you believe his claim. Which means you think he''s a miller, a town-alligned player.Wickedestjr wrote:@Post 154 by ZazieR - When I said I was going to treat Khan like an ordinary player, I meant that if he did something scummy, then I'd treat him the exact way that I would if he hadn't claimed miller.Ignore the ''R''-
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Who is ''him'' (the second one)?MafiaMann wrote:
Im not excusing him i still want him not toZazieR wrote:
So the reason why you only call out Mastin, but not me, is?MafiaMann wrote:
I think mastins not being completely clear in everything he says. His use of sarcasm is confusing and breeds WIFOM arguments. I dont know if its scummy or the way he plays but definitely is not helpful when he isnt straight forward with the town.ZazieR wrote:Ok, I hadn''t seen yet that MM didn''t throw any opinions in.
Do you have anything to add?
(Happy scumday btw )
Also, in this post you mention that it could be his play (finding an excuse why it's not scummy), but in your previous post (post 171) you state that you're tired of everything is just Mastin being Mastin.
So what is it?
If you mean Mastin, I don''t understand what you''re saying here.Ignore the ''R''-
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Yeah, you are guilty of something similar. This is duly noted.MM wrote:My opinion on scum is maybe ckool because some of his posts dont contain much meat but I may be guilty of something similar.
Also Hayker seems to be making a lot of mistakes and some of which can misleading.
And can you elaborate on your opinion of Hayker?Ignore the ''R''-
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