Is that just based on your past experiences?AndyTony wrote: subconscious from hearing or not, accidental immunity is a killer
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MadCrawdad Goon
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@Ceph
Ceph, here's the explanation you gave of your 'Note to Self'.
Now here (from earlier in the day) when you didn't want to divulge the intent behind the note, you said that you'd 'like to give a hint or something but then it would probably be obvious'. Can you explain how you could have possibly hinted at your explanation above, that would have been obvious (or even obscure, for that matter)?Cephrir wrote:Fine, it's being blown so far out of proportion it doesn't matter. I'm not being manipulative, I just didn't want one specific player (you) to be aware of something.
Which is the meta I have of you as scum. Basically in our game as scum together I noticed that you were carefully calculating every move and did every little thing with some purpose behind it. I don't feel that you're playing that way at all in this game and you're being much less careful with your opinion, hence I think you're town. Obviously I would have preferred to have a few more game days on which to base this, but then I stupidly went and reminded myself inthread.
In before anguished cries of how that wasn't worth being secretive followed by votes.Cephrir wrote:It's the same thing. When I talk about it, you'll see why I didn't want to, I promise.If everyone really insists I'll do it now. It's not as big of a deal as it appears to be, but I'd still rather save it.I'd like to give a hint or something but then it would probably be obvious.-
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Dejkha, it looks like you've been really active elsewhere, but not posting here...should that raise our suspicions?dejkha wrote:I'll believe it to the point where I don't think it effects his alignment. There have been plenty of times that I, as town, intentionally lurked while following the thread, just because I didn't feel like posting. As long as Pitstop doesn't make a half assed post when he does post, it doesn't matter to me. Obviously I'd prefer it if he's fairly active though.Going days without posting, while being active elsewhere, will raise suspicion.-
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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Any hint I would have given would have made it obvious to AT what I was talking about IMO. For instance, if I said it was meta he'd probably have known it was him since the game in question had just ended and I'd made a few comments about his thought process in our conversations. If I said I just didn't want AT to know about it, same situation."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Your 'note to self' was completely out of the blue....I doubt that saying 'meta' would have tipped off AT, or anyone else.Cephrir wrote:Any hint I would have given would have made it obvious to AT what I was talking about IMO. For instance, if I said it was meta he'd probably have known it was him since the game in question had just ended and I'd made a few comments about his thought process in our conversations. If I said I just didn't want AT to know about it, same situation.-
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Current Phase:Day 1
Deadline:June 7, 2009 at 11:59pm Central Time
Votes Needed for Lynch:7
Current Vote Count
Current as ofPost #299
Pitstop- 2 (dejkha, Cephrir)
Cephrir- 1 (ODDin)
dejkha- 1 (hohum)
Zer0ph34r- 1 (The Corporation)
Not Voting:AndyTony, hewitt, Kdub, Khamisa, MadCrawdad, OccamR, Pitstop, Zer0ph34r"In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies." --Winston Churchill
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." --John F. Kennedy
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Pitstop did not respond to my prod, and dejkha has requested to be replaced. I am in process of getting them replaced. OccamR was just prodded.
I will extend the deadline equal to the time it takes to find replacements, plus 2 days for them to catch up."In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies." --Winston Churchill
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Zer0, seriously, what was the point of this? Have you got at least something remotely resembling an argument against dejkha? His lurking has been brought up earlier, but considering his request to be replaced, I don't think we should really hold this against him. Even if he's not replacing out of all his games, he could've decided that he has time for X game but not for X+T games, and this game fell into the T zone.
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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To be fair, dejkha has been uncharacteristically quiet in this game which may result from a disinterest in being scum. But I don't know if Zero has even played with dej before so that still doesn't make any sense.
Theory: Zero is scum with dej and is angry he quit and/or knows why he's quitting?
Regardless,FoS: Zero"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Yes. I can't get into this game, it really bores me.Cephrir wrote:Seriously?ShowRECORD
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Amazing how much conversation a couple of bold letters can start. I voted for him because him not posting, even before prodding him seemed like a way to stay under the radar. He had maybe one conflict and the end. And I didn't try to confuse the game [at least during that vote]. If you don't like my vote, do something about it."I'm still a bit amazed by Zer0's play." -Xylthixlm
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Oh, I must also agree with hewitt. This game is boring as hell. Can we just lynch someone already?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Scum tell. I don't care. Just make something happen."I'm still a bit amazed by Zer0's play." -Xylthixlm
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Your "meh, this is boring lets just lynch someone" mentality is the very stupidity you pout about and get angry at before fake claiming - - that's incredibly hypocritical of you and I'm disappointed that you'd resort to that.
Also - Dej was no different than hohum are MANY others on this board that weren't posting, your reason doesn't single him out as scum, it just fits him - - you can't single him out because everyone is doing it, and you can't call it scummy because - - it isn't - - the game wasn't going anywhere."It's Not A Breeze, 'Cause It Blows Hard"-
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@AT
AT, earlier you spent lots of time explaining that due to Zero's past play you wanted folks to 'be careful about applying the pressure willy nilly.' Also went on to say that Calculation and Intelligence would lead to Prosperity for the town. You also talk in another post about using other methods for catching scum, as applying pressure to Zero could lead to a scum claim....AndyTony wrote:I felt that right after I expressed the distinction between hunting scum and hunting lynches - - hohum understood that we now have a person (zero) that will crack under pressure whether he's scum or not - -
hohum actually states that if zero gets emotional, he will lynch him for it - - - we don't lynch for people being emotional (because townies can be so as well) we lynch for being scum - -
My observation is to stress that we should be careful about applying the pressure willy nilly. Hohum is aggressive, which in all fairness is just as emotional as Zero.
Calculation - - Intelligence - - Prosperity for town
It can totally happenAndyTony wrote:Understandable - - We know that pushing this particular player will make them do something nonsensible (since it's happened as both scum and town) hence I'm pointing out that there are otherways to discover scumtells.
Scumtells can be in general actions, and yes, they can slip under pressure -- scum indeed slip under pressure - - however, this player tends to false claim under pressure - -
So we ask ourselves, do we want to approach him for a false claim, or a scumtell - - and we now know how best to get it. Scum will use his emotions against him for a potential mislynch, no? - - I'm suggesting we appreciate there are otherways to catch scum (part of that new thinking I was trying to spread - that I mentioned earlier) - world of possibilities, guys.
So what the heck is with the quick knee-jerk pressure vote? Where's the calculation and intelligence that you rambled on about earlier? You're the one preaching being crafty (vs. getting tough) with Zero, and then you're the 1st one diving on with a pressure vote after he votes Dejkha.
You spent a lot of time talking about Zero and how you thought he should be approached. Then you seem to pounce with a pressure vote. Kind of a disconnect, isn't it?AndyTony wrote:Vote: Zero
What are you playing at? Did you not read?
Stop trying to confuse the game - - and considering we're past random and in a lull, I would suggest having more reasoning behind your voting.-
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I see where it can look a little one sided to you, but that's just the thing - - I gave Zero plenty of open mindedness and opportunity, and I feel like his carelessness and hypocrisy is almost a slap in the face for trying to be understanding, you know?
The moment he got hypocritical and redundant, any form of understanding or open mindedness offered would be nothing short of favortism and a bias based on meta.
His vote on Dej (including the weak reasoning), his impatient, hypocritical logic toward "just wanting a lynch already", and his dare of "Here's my bad logic, what are you going to do about it" puts me RIGHT off.
Understanding and open mindedness is a two way street, otherwise I'm giving an unfair bias and buddy nature that shouldn't be there.
I saw Zero demonstrate hypocrisy, narrow mindedness, and a hunt for a lynch over scum - - that merits my vote"It's Not A Breeze, 'Cause It Blows Hard"-
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