hp [leaves] wrote:springlullaby wrote:Choose convinced camp.
Vote Lawrencelot
Fos Nuwen for not bandwagonning.
Hi Claus
A minor tell but the newer scummers often vote their partner in RVS.
I don't think Spring qualifies as a "newer scummer". Do you? You also voted for Law in RVS...
hp wrote:springlullaby wrote:ekiM wrote:
springlullaby: What do you make of players who lament the lack of activity in a game without actually adding anything new themselves?
I would think that it's pretty scummy. Do mean to imply that I am such?
While having posted this:
springlullaby wrote:What, 40+ pageview since last I checked in and only 2 meek random votes?
What are you lurkers afraid of?
springlullaby wrote:I don't find Lawrencelot to be as scummy as people makes it appear. I don't see scum doing such a blatant flip flop that early in the day, that would be terrible maladroitness..
Not her opinion, but her reasoning.
Want to write more, but got no time.
Not seeing anything of substance here. You're also ignoring my questions still: Why were you lurking yesterday? Is that going to continue? If you think Law was buddying up to Tajo-town, why did you suggest that today's lynch be Tajo?
hp wrote:But I still want to get SL lynched for reasons I mentioned+demoralizing the townies. Her reaction to Izzy's vote smells like scum
spirit
paranoia.
Yeah, this is implausibly bad reasoning.
Vote: hp [leaves]
Tajo wrote:Kay, some people say that Ace and hp are still possible Law buddies. I strongly disagree. I see some merit in the Ace case presented by Mike but still doesnt fly.
So you see some merit in the case and yet you strongly disagree with it? Huh?
Tajo wrote:Look, there is a line between scum distancing and scum going against someone to make him look bad. Some people think that Law was distancing with Ace and viceversa, and some other people (like me) think that Law was attacking Ace to make him look bad.
Disagree. What is "the line", then? I'd say attacking someone to make them look bad is a form of distancing. If your distancing isn't credible then it failed in its purpose.
Tajo wrote:A decent assumption is that scum only bus if they win any advantage of it, and its even less probable in this kind of games where there are only 2 scum. I really dont think Law and Ace were bussing that aggressively as early as day 1 (see my post 372 for reference) . I can see no benefit of it. I would expect this kind of bussing later in the game or when one of Law or Ace would be the obvious lynch of the day. Too much unnecessary attention against one or the other and too early, specially with someone like hp as the obvious milsynch of the day.
So you're convinced that Ace is town based off of their interactions, yet you see no benefit in a scumpair doing their interactions? How about that those interactions apparently convinced you that Ace is town? Is that not a benefit?
As for all the interactions you listed in 372, Spring already responded in 387 and you haven't given any indication that you've done anything other than completely ignore that post.
By the way, nothing you've mentioned above has anything to do with showing why you don't think hp was bussing. Yet you "strongly disagree" that he could have been. Why?
Spring wrote:Law wrote:Post 108 is pretty similar to my thoughts on Ace. Plus that he keeps avoiding to attack hp, which would be consistent with his other posts. I do wonder though where 109 comes from, could you quote that scumslip for me springlullaby? Because I haven't noticed it.
This is a question that its unlikely to ask to a scumpartner and it even gives me more reason to clear Ace. The reasoning is this:
a)In a 2scum game, scum are less likely to suspect both aggressively one person. Both Law and spring attacked heavily Ace and the above quote : "can you quote me the scumslip?" feels more like a scum generating townie-townie fights rather than scumpartners coordinating an attack in Ace. Therefore, Law-spring is discarded.
b)Now, what kind of scumpartner is so fixated in finding a scumslip from his scumpartner? Therefore and for other previous reasons, Law-Ace is discarded.
By questioning the validity of the scumslip, isn't Law weakening the case on Ace? That seems to be the opposite of what you conclude from b). More on a) below.
tajo wrote:Mike wrote:Nuwen, I agree with what you're saying about hp; he's blatantly anti-town. If there was no other lynch target and enough people agreed, I would be OK with an hp lynch. However I think there are scummy players worth pursuing. What is your opinion on Ace and Lawrence?
Lawrencelot, are you planning on thinking for yourself at any point?
Arg. I dont like this. I really dont. Feels like a weak distancing. I dont like how he singles out.
+1
You seem to have stuck together two quotes from two different posts here. And I don't know what you mean by "singles out".
tajo wrote:Mike wrote:Huh? You're refusing to discuss anyone but Law? So which of the competing bandwagons are you distracting from, I wonder?
Hate this defense. Which is a heavy change to his previous "Law is scummy" to "Tajo is defending his scumpartner that is not Law"
+1
I found both the suddenness of the Law wagon and your tunneling in on him odd, which made me wonder if the wagon might be scum driven. I don't see how this contradicts having found Law scummy.
tajo wrote:Interesting enough, Law didnt comment anything of Mike in the WHOLE game. This is one point that makes me wonder about Mike. Would Lawscum be so distracted to not mention his scumpartner at all?
Seems like that would be a pretty elementary error, no? And judging by Law's join date, I don't think he's a rookie.
Tajo wrote:However, Mike's opinions of Law that somehow go to scummy-not scum-scummy again is too awful for my taste.
I don't think I said at any point that Law wasn't scummy. I was just dubious of his wagon when it started up suddenly.
Tajo wrote:Also, I would expect a more townie analysis of the Law lynch from him but so far he is still too worried in remarking that ace and hp, (and even mine, wtf) are still likely bussings.
So a "townie analysis" is "an analysis that agrees with Tajo"? Sorry, I don't think that's so. I've looked at the wagon and I see no reason that hp or Ace couldn't have been bussing. And you reasons against it seem to be mostly gut. Actually, I haven't seen anything against an hp bus from you, and I can't just trust your gut about Ace over Albert's and Spring's (and mine).
Also, I never said that you were a likely busser. I said the opposite - I said if you were bussing him it would have had to be a hard bus, so it was possible but unlikely.
As near as I can tell you've gone through every interaction Law had with the 3 people who weren't on his wagon and arbitrarily given it + or - points based on gut. Nearly every point you've written could easily be argued the other way. Look at this for example:
Tajo wrote:a)In a 2scum game, scum are less likely to suspect both aggressively one person. Both Law and spring attacked heavily Ace
You said that about Spring, but it could equally well have applied to me. No?
You're not high on my suspect list because of what I said above about it having to have been a hard bus, but I do think you're trusting your gut too much and trying to make the evidence fit, rather than looking at the evidence and then drawing conclusions.