Troll wants to address things that were said in springlullaby's
Post 263. Quoting all of the conversation will be a waste of space but at the same time it will be relevant to what Troll has to say. Troll will be quoting selectively here and encourages all who no get the context from the quote alone to refer back to the original post.
springlullaby wrote:This is a justification of your vote, and what you are justifying is a vote on someone who has not posted during 5 days, 3 of which were weekend absence. Your complaints about my vote on Artem having no precedence is especially weak and actually quite the unfair argument, were I town and truthful in my motives, there is nothing that I could do about it.
Troll be voting for someone who might have been V/LA over a weekend but then started posting that she was reading when she got prodded on Monday, followed with the question to the mod, posted a single question about the posts just before it on Tuesday and finally got to contributing on Wednesday. Again, if you had something holding you back about some interactions on Monday when you asked the mod the question that no be a reason to give nothing past that.
Troll no was complaining about springlullaby's vote on Artem particularly. Troll said that Troll no had an issue with it on it's own. Troll was answering springlullaby's question about what benefit stalling might have.
springlullaby wrote:Well, what do you expect me to answer you. I posted that question because it crossed my mind after catching up, and did it independently of game analysis because it was a short question and took no time at all. I hadn't gotten around to write my thoughts down at that point yet, in fact I wouldn't have the time to do it before 1 day afterward. I'm sure my use of tenses is a mess here but I can't be bummed to figure it out.
Here again what you write is a justification of your vote describing a plausible scummy explanation of my action whereas disregarding the fact that it is not the likeliest. The fact that you took 1 serious big paragraph to write it is nothing positive in my book. The following: "Troll no cares for the the implication that you no know the answer to the question" is particularly inane and unfair, were I town, don't you think that I would indeed not know the answer to the question?
If springlullaby had made her time limitations clear at the time it might have not have been an issue. Right now Troll looks back and sees none of that information available when it would have been relevant. Troll simply sees a statement that springlullaby was reading and a couple hours later a question to the mod. Troll also stands by Troll's statement about not caring for the implication. If you be town then it be clear you no know it but the post still reads to Troll like an attempt to bring this idea up whether it be true or not.
If springlullaby be town then Troll no has any particular read on Porkens based on that. Troll simply believes that it be unlikely that two scum would have interacted the way that you did at the start of the game. You could both be town or it could be one town and one scum but Troll finds the both scum scenario to be implausible.
springlullaby wrote:For Artem and Ectomancer, it be more than just a defense of you. It be the idea that it be OK for you to lurk. Neither one be saying that you be town. Both be giving reasons not to make a read on you yet which be noteworthy. Again, should you turn up scum Troll no will simply assume that one or both of them must be your partner but them will be looking at more closely.
-Zorblag R`Lyeh
Firstly this is technically false, Artem gave me a town read. Secondly, asking me to be accountable for Artem and Ectomancer's actions is both unfair and scummy.
No, it be technically true. Artem said you be playing like you have in past games with him when you were town. Him no said you were town this time. Beyond that, Troll no be using what Artem and Ectomancer be saying about you as a reason to vote for you. Troll was again answering a question you asked. In this case Troll was explaining why it would be worth looking at them should you flip scum.
springlullaby wrote:Zorblag, I'm noting with interest here that you say you agree with some of the reasons indicting Artem's guilt, that you say "you could even vote him", and that you even suspect him of being 'my buddy', all this while voting for me. This strikes me as doubly strange because, beyond the fact that it is unusual, I judge there to be better and stronger reasons to be voting Artem than your vote on me which amounts to 5 days lurkerhunt and a second point which is quite inane.
So here is the question for you. How would you judge my scumminess in comparison to Artem's? Why?
Now now, you are not allowed to turn into saying that I'm blame shifting. I'm asking this because in the event of Artem flipping scum, which I think is going to happen more and more, I see your post here to be soft distancing from Artem by saying that you find him scummy while not voting for him, and at the same time setting a mislynch by implicating me as Artem's scumbuddy. And if Artem flips scum, I want your written words here on why you are not voting him despite saying that he is scummy, and why you are pushing me on what I see as a weaker case.
OK, first off, where does Troll say "you could even vote him" or even "Troll could even vote him" for that matter? Troll further no be accusing Artem of being your buddy. Troll just be saying that should you be scum Artem (and Ectomancer) be more likely to be scum. It no be a biconditional; the implication only goes one way.
Troll also no appreciates the implication that Troll will try to avoid your question. Had Troll been avoiding answering question previously in this game it might be different but the tone you be taking here simply strikes Troll as condescending and an attempt to make it look as though Troll be attempting to dodge questions.
As Troll said previously, there be aspects of Artem's play that Troll no has cared for but springlullaby currently seems more likely to be scum to Troll. Artem has said some things that Troll disagrees with and which strike Troll as potentially scummy but them be fairly minor. When Troll cast the vote for springlullaby it was due to the inactivity and the reaction to Porken's initial post as much as anything else but now what Troll finds suspicions be how springlullaby be dealing with any attention at all. Troll simply be pointing out what Troll dislikes about springlullaby's play and answering the questions that she has asked and the response has been to take what Troll has said out of context and argue that there be no case at all. Troll no be trying to convince everyone to vote for springlullaby; Troll will let them make their decisions on their own as Troll always does but springlullaby still be acting in what Troll considers to be a scummy manner.
Troll will try to find the time to look through springlullaby's previous games carefully to assess this behavior against what she has done in the past but Troll's time for the game be limited at the moment. If any others would care to comment about the similarity to what she be doing now with what she has done as scum in the past Troll be happy to listen to it.
Korts wrote:Hm. Troll's 229 seems awfully careful not to interpret anything other than lack of contribution as scummy. Artem's vote being put down as a "frustration vote" seems a bit of a reach to me; note that the vote came in 220 and the expression of frustration only in 223, after another SpyreX post debunking most of the material Artem had.
Troll would say that the frustration from Artem be coming through in
post 220. One can be frustrated without saying it explicitly and the arguments Artem be giving at that time strike Troll as frustration. It also strikes Troll as odd that the post from Troll in which people accuse Troll of only disliking inactivity be
Post 229 but perhaps that be because Troll was voting for inactivity as much as anything else. Troll be talking about a number of plays there which Troll finds interesting. For Artem in particular Troll gives a list of things him had done which Troll found on the scummy side.
Elmo wrote:I want a rough stance from everyone on {Spring, Troll, Herod, Korts}.
Troll would say springlullaby be scummy and Herodotus and Korts be neutral (with Korts tentatively town).
-Zorblag R`Lyeh