Mini 783: Cowboy Bebop Mafia - Game Over, Space Cowboy

[don_johnson]

rhinox: noone wants the juls wagon. i would rather lynch someone who can defend themself and who i think is scummy and who i have thought is scummy for quite some time. again, its a no win situation for dj.

People should NOT be let off because they aren't here to claim.

its day 1. there are others i would rather lynch. post 835 is quite interesting, however.

Don John, why not vig Juls?

a) i am not vig.

b) she has been dishonest about the situation. there is no guarantee she can be vigged.

[Rhinox]

Rhinox: Opinions on Vi?

Honestly, I can't give you much in the way of opinions on Vi. I didn't agree with his reasons for going after me during either crusade, but given mine and Vi's history in games, I've come to expect Vi to be highly suspicious of me by default.

But really, for much of the day, I haven't really considered Vi a potential lynch target, so I haven't kept a good running tally of scum/town points in my working memory. I'd have to go back and reread iso-Vi to even begin to come to an allignment conclusion, and with ~1hr. to go to deadline, it is too late in the day to be considering entirely new targets.

Or short answer: if I'd have felt at any time Vi was scummy enough for a lynch today, I would have made more mention on being open to a Vi lynch by now.

@Juls: ok I guess that makes sense.

Zilla pretty much summed up the hohum case pretty well, so I won't bother repeating. I'm not just echoing or riding the coattails of Zilla's case though - I was highly suspicious of Hohum before he went into lurking, and his lurking has practically nothing to do with why he should be lynched.

[VP Baltar]

Lynching Vi is not even going to be considered by me. I've stated this clearly several times. Lynching hohum for not being here also doesn't sit well with me.

Zeenon is a much better choice, particularly considering he has said his role would transfer upon death. Meta about him lying as town doesn't excuse out and out scummy play in this game, even if you think he would go along with the mason claim for it.

Unless something drastic happens, my vote is likely locked.

[Vi]

i have been pointing out their

inconsistency

all day and everyone has been writing me off.

Fixed for accuracy.

We'll also learn about the people who are defending Hohum here.. I didn't think of that!

If he flips scum, I'd be looking at these pages here to see who thinks he's not worth lynching, eh?

You are correct.

Incidentally, hohum is putting off two other games just like this one.

Considering recent events, this seems eerie. Is he trying to get ZEEnon not to play the game Xtoxm set up for him?

This would naturally mean that the two are paired. Are you willing to take this position?

and pitted himself against Xtoxm, calling that if Xtoxm flipped town, he'd be scum, and if he flipped town, Xtoxm would be scum, along with some other implications. I didn't like this because I didn't like the idea of

him flipping scum clearing Xtoxm

, since he was the one calling it.

There are a number of conclusions you can draw from hohum's statement, but this is probably the most benign one of the batch.

I'm not convinced enough of hohum-scum to go for it.

[Xtoxm]

I'm not convinced enough of hohum-scum to go for it.

Translated:

I don't want to let go of the Zee mislynch

[Rhinox]

rhinox: noone wants the juls wagon. i would rather lynch someone who can defend themself and who i think is scummy and who i have thought is scummy for quite some time. again, its a no win situation for dj.

Its 2 non-sequitors and an AtE all in 1! (this time it really is AtE)

Everyone else's opinion on Juls has nothing to do with your argument for the Juls lynch and against the Hohum lynch being entirely inconsistent with you going after Vi right now.

You being suspicious of Vi for a long time has nothing to do with your attack on Vi right now contradicting your reasons for not wanting to lynch hohum.

Let me ask you: Do you not find Hohum scummy, or are you just against his lynch because he's not here to defend himself?

Look, I don't know if you're doing this because you're scum, or if you really are just tunneled in on Vi, but you're basically in the same category Vi is in right now in my scumhunting book - I haven't considered you for a lynch today, and I don't intend to change to you completely out of the blue with an hour before deadline.

(I learned my lesson succombing to the RC lynch in Hack Poetry)

But that also means I do not support a Vi lynch today and would argue against it. For that matter, the same could be said for baltar and charlatan - I will be against any last minute wagons forming on them as well.

Lynching hohum for not being here also doesn't sit well with me.

Nobody is lynching hohum for not being here...

[Xtoxm]

This isn't going to pick up.

Unvote Vote hohum

Dj, hohum vote?

I hope PF turns up before deadline.

[Xtoxm]

2 more votes are needed for a hohum lynch.

[Vi]

I don't want to let go of the Zee mislynch

For a hohum mislynch? I don't, actually.

[Xtoxm]

Zee has alluded to a power role, and a replacement will come in over night. Today is probably the only day scum have a chance to lynch Zee.

[Zilla]

There's evidence that Hohum knew something about the mason deal with that quote. The most obvious path is that he and ZEEnon are scum together and he had a moment of "What the hell is Xtoxm doing?" when he saw Xtoxm claiming his buddy. I still think Hohum is the better choice of the two for lynch.

Speaking of people who aren't around to defend themselves, ZEEnon took off, and I don't see Don John protesting that lynch.

[Xtoxm]

If Zee is scum, he has played masterfully.

[Vi]

Zee has alluded to a power role, and a replacement will come in over night. Today is probably the only day scum have a chance to lynch Zee.

ZEEnon has alluded to a

transferable

power role, and considering ZEEnon's play I'm not sure someone would want to replace in (plus a replacement would be unable to answer for ZEEnon's... ZEEnonicity).

[Xtoxm]

There's evidence that Hohum knew something about the mason deal with that quote. The most obvious path is that he and ZEEnon are scum together and he had a moment of "What the hell is Xtoxm doing?" when he saw Xtoxm claiming his buddy. I still think Hohum is the better choice of the two for lynch.

Speaking of people who aren't around to defend themselves, ZEEnon took off, and I don't see Don John protesting that lynch.

I'll grant you the point you bring up sounds plausible, however I think Zee is town.

[VP Baltar]

Zee has alluded to a power role

Which is an unprecedented move for scum to make

What do you think of him saying his powers transfer upon death?

[don_johnson]

rhinox: i don't see a contradiction. i have more than one reason for the juls lynch. noone wants it, so what? i have been called out for tunneling, wanting to lynch from too large a pool of players, not sticking to my guns, sticking to my guns, and now what? wanting to push the lynch to who i find MOST SCUMMIEST? i find it intersting you call me on the AtE and yet both vi and juls have pulled the emotion card against me(i don't want to play with him anymore) you completely ignored it. wtf.

Let me ask you: Do you not find Hohum scummy, or are you just against his lynch because he's not here to defend himself?

i find hohum a null read. i am against his lynch becuase others are scummy and because he is not here to defend himself. have you played with hohum before?

why do you choose to ignore vi's blatant scumminess? she is parroting and patronizing at this point.

[VP Baltar]

ZEEnonicity

heh.

If Zee is scum, he has played masterfully.

something like that...

[Xtoxm]

Zee has alluded to a power role

Which is an unprecedented move for scum to make

What do you think of him saying his powers transfer upon death?

No such roles come to mind, we makes me think he's probably got an obscure claim, hence why this particular power claim would prevent his lynch.

[don_johnson]

Speaking of people who aren't around to defend themselves, ZEEnon took off, and I don't see Don John protesting that lynch.

really?

[Vi]

Hey XBoxm. It seems like you're only voting for hohum because he's absent.
You've made such a big deal of not voting for people you think are innocent, but hohum WAS one of those people early on. I would ask a question about why you softened on him, but I don't expect a straight answer so whatever.

[ZEEnon]

Hey guys!
Since it seems i'm getting lynched there is no need for the replacement
so I will try to help up until my lynch.

[Xtoxm]

Hey Zee!

Wanna vote hohum?

[don_johnson]

who do you think is scum?

[ZEEnon]

I get to decide who gets my power,
and i've decided to make a list.
My power goes to the top town-sided player.

Therefore i'm going to put scum at the top.
Ask the player

EXACTLY

what the role does.
Forming the list right now... (How long until deadline?)

[Zilla]

i find it intersting you call me on the AtE and yet both vi and juls have pulled the emotion card against me(i don't want to play with him anymore) you completely ignored it. wtf.

That's not an appeal to emotion. It might elicit an emotional response to you, but there's no logical case extension from that.