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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2009 4:01 pm

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Hero wrote: 1. He tried to justify lynching a townie.
2. Tenchi hammered only 30 minutes after hockey L-1'd, making it look like a scum quick lynch.
3. When questioned about it the next day, he tried to avoid the question by saying CJMiller could've been scum all along. A contradiction.
4. This was all followed by general scumminess behavior throughout the rest of D@(as serial pointed out). He was active lurking, not really making any suspicions, arguments weren't very strong.
5. He hasn't been quicklynched yet.
1. Am I supposed to say something along the lines of "Wow that was stupid of me, I just messed up." or more like "I'm mafia, hahaha, quicklynched!" The only real way to respond is to list why I did it... which I have.
2. OR it could have been a scum quicklynch without my involvment. Because scum can't communicate during the day that would have been just pure luck that he was on right then and that nobody else could argue it or remove their votes. Suggesting that I made that vote knowing that Tenchi would come in is blatantly ridiculous.
3. Well gee its easy to know he isn't scum NOW...
4. I wasn't actively lurking, I have forgotten about this game and at that time I was busy with (C'mon you can guess :)) hockey games and tests.
5. That leads us to either: you're scum, I'm scum. So obviously to me it proves you're scum.


Okay, as to me not *interacting* with Kiku, you had that same thing about Toledo yet neither of us are guilty. I really don't think I have to say anything more than that, you can look back for instances when I have if you really want to.

Anyways, at this point I'm gonna have to
Vote:Hero
and I'm actually wondering why I didn't do this before because atleast for me (I can trust in my own innocence) hes the only for sure scum.

anyways heres a little analysis of each player.... in alphabetical order!

Feeres: Has popped in to give very good analysis of the events, nothing really groundbreaking but still good. If hes scum hes simultaneously really good and bad. Good because theres nothing suspicious, but bad because he hasn't really led the town anywhere. Anyways, I highly doubt that and as I said hes always had a good analysis. Except for the issue on D1 I had with him

Hero: As I've said the fact that I haven't been quicklynched proves his guilt. To me atleast, I know everybody else can't be sure.

Kiku: The fact that she is willing to ignore whether hero is lying or I am is slightly disturbing. Even assuming Tenchi is guilty isn't safe because if she chooses Hero tomorow and I'm mafia it'd be pretty easy to quick lynch or vise versa. Because of that she really should be discussing this situation.

Tenchi: He makes some valid points but I'm wondering if you could explain what exactly this means:
Tenchi wrote:I don't know what kind of justification he used by I still stand by that I'd rather have CJMiller lynched now/ not be in lylo.
Do you mean you'd still do that lynch again knowing hes town? Or that you'd just have him lynched by now? Or what exactly?

At this point I know Hero is guilty with (this part isn't for sure) either Tenchi or Kiku as a scum buddy. Noting the amount of arguement between Tenchi and Hero as the late serial pointed out means that its highly unlikely, making Kiku the scumbuddy which would make sense as shes not voting for me or hero. However I still do not discount Tenchi.
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2009 6:10 am

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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2009 6:11 am

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I think it is safe to say that Feeres is confirmed town, no?
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2009 6:27 am

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kikuchiyo wrote:I think it is safe to say that Feeres is confirmed town, no?
Not in my book.

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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2009 9:07 am

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1. Am I supposed to say something along the lines of "Wow that was stupid of me, I just messed up." or more like "I'm mafia, hahaha, quicklynched!" The only real way to respond is to list why I did it... which I have.
2. OR it could have been a scum quicklynch without my involvment. Because scum can't communicate during the day that would have been just pure luck that he was on right then and that nobody else could argue it or remove their votes. Suggesting that I made that vote knowing that Tenchi would come in is blatantly ridiculous.
3. Well gee its easy to know he isn't scum NOW...
4. I wasn't actively lurking, I have forgotten about this game and at that time I was busy with (C'mon you can guess Smile) hockey games and tests.
5. That leads us to either: you're scum, I'm scum. So obviously to me it proves you're scum.
1. What the hell? I'm talking about day 1 here, not day 2.
2. Scum can usually communicate before the game starts, but that doesn't matter anyways. You could have easily seen Tenchi online when you voted.
3. Please explain how the hell this has anything to do with what I said.
4. That's open to interpretation. The fact is that several times you would come in and make brief statements about what was going and then disappear. I believe at one point I called for a prod of you and almost immediately you began posting again. Not to mention, as Tenchi and SC pointed out, you were spending the majority of the day defending yourself, not making any suspicions(trying to keep yourself in the clear?). Your arguments weren't strong at all, either.
5. Yes but I think the evidence does point to a more likely scum you than a scum me.
At this point I know Hero is guilty with (this part isn't for sure) either Tenchi or Kiku as a scum buddy. Noting the amount of arguement between Tenchi and Hero as the late serial pointed out means that its highly unlikely, making Kiku the scumbuddy which would make sense as shes not voting for me or hero. However I still do not discount Tenchi.
Ok...wtf? First you say us arguing makes us scummy, and now it makes it highly unlikely. And then you say that even though Tenchi being scum is highly unlikely he is probably my partner? Contradictions galore. Why haven't we lynched you yet?
I think it is safe to say that Feeres is confirmed town, no?
Not even close. How did you come to this conclusion?
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2009 9:36 am

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hero wrote:Not even close. How did you come to this conclusion?
All three of the players with votes on them can't be scum which means there is a town on town vote in place as we speak. Wouldn't scumFeeres move to lynch? Its not foolproof, but it's not like I'm coming out of left-field here.

That said:
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Vote: Hockeyruler


Rereading the Hero/Tenchi exchange I would have to say that if they are scumbuddies, I am an albino elephant. Being convinced that Tenchi is scum makes Hockey his partner. Here's hopin'.
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2009 3:45 pm

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Hero764 wrote:
1. Am I supposed to say something along the lines of "Wow that was stupid of me, I just messed up." or more like "I'm mafia, hahaha, quicklynched!" The only real way to respond is to list why I did it... which I have.
2. OR it could have been a scum quicklynch without my involvment. Because scum can't communicate during the day that would have been just pure luck that he was on right then and that nobody else could argue it or remove their votes. Suggesting that I made that vote knowing that Tenchi would come in is blatantly ridiculous.
3. Well gee its easy to know he isn't scum NOW...
4. I wasn't actively lurking, I have forgotten about this game and at that time I was busy with (C'mon you can guess Smile) hockey games and tests.
5. That leads us to either: you're scum, I'm scum. So obviously to me it proves you're scum.
1. What the hell? I'm talking about day 1 here, not day 2.
As was I...

2. Scum can usually communicate before the game starts, but that doesn't matter anyways. You could have easily seen Tenchi online when you voted.
You know thats ludicrous. The luck of something like that happening is very low. Besides I don't even know if I can tell when he's online.

3. Please explain how the hell this has anything to do with what I said.
You said something about it being stupid to lynch someone who is confirmed town or something similar. I said its obvious hes town NOW...

4. That's open to interpretation. The fact is that several times you would come in and make brief statements about what was going and then disappear. I believe at one point I called for a prod of you and almost immediately you began posting again. Not to mention, as Tenchi and SC pointed out, you were spending the majority of the day defending yourself, not making any suspicions(trying to keep yourself in the clear?). Your arguments weren't strong at all, either.
Once again, thats open to interpretation, I think they're strong, you don't.

5. Yes but I think the evidence does point to a more likely scum you than a scum me.
Once again, interpretation (if you can use it I can too :D) Anyways, I dislike how you hounded tenchi for a while with not clear cut objective. Nobody else thought he looked that scummy except you...
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Hero wrote:
At this point I know Hero is guilty with (this part isn't for sure) either Tenchi or Kiku as a scum buddy. Noting the amount of arguement between Tenchi and Hero as the late serial pointed out means that its highly unlikely, making Kiku the scumbuddy which would make sense as shes not voting for me or hero. However I still do not discount Tenchi.
Ok...wtf? First you say us arguing makes us scummy, and now it makes it highly unlikely. And then you say that even though Tenchi being scum is highly unlikely he is probably my partner? Contradictions galore. Why haven't we lynched you yet?
The main reason I gave that arguement was because defending myself looked too suspicious apparently, so therefore attacking someone else wouldn't right? Besides as I said, as SERIAL POINTED OUT its too dangerous for either of you to do. You're pointing out things that I quite clearly either didn't really believe in even though I've said it plenty of times and I also gave another reason why (serial's thoughts)
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I think it is safe to say that Feeres is confirmed town, no?
Not even close. How did you come to this conclusion?
Because he has been a positive influence on the game! Constantly subjecting others is a great way to make people look at them and not you. Which is what you've been doing for a while.

It seems I might be voted out before I get another chance to really reply, it was nice playing with all of you :)
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Tue May 19, 2009 12:52 pm

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Just replying to let you know that I'll be working on some analysis bit later. I've been horribly tired the past days, so my activity levels have dropped a bit.
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2009 2:55 am

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Activity sucks. I can always move the deadline forward if that's what we need to do.
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2009 3:36 am

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I am itching to hammer. This will be the last straw:

1. Feeres your "analysis is overdue". Post it soon.

2. I feel hammering because except for the OMGUS vote Hockey gave, he has no alternate reasons.

Use this time wisely. And use it now, Hockey.

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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2009 3:18 am

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Your hesitancy is telling. Your threats are uncharacteristic.

unvote, Vote: Tenchi


You are obviously Hockey's partner.

Feeres: I am comfortable with you as town. Please pick a lynch and explain. I am pretty sure we are looking at Hockey/Tenchi. I will lynch either. If you have suspicion of Hero, I am open, but as far as I can tell, this one's in the bag.
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2009 6:23 pm

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I'm not stupid Kikuchiyo.

If I hammer now, I will be suspected of quickening the day again without giving Feeres a chance to do what he was supposed to do.

If I hammer later, you suspect me of being with Hockey, as if you are 100% sure he is scum.

I will do the responsible thing: give time to Feeres to post his thoughts and give a possible CitizenHockey a chance to defend.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Fri May 22, 2009 3:18 am

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Tenchi wrote:I'm not stupid Kikuchiyo.

If I hammer now, I will be suspected of quickening the day again without giving Feeres a chance to do what he was supposed to do.

If I hammer later, you suspect me of being with Hockey, as if you are 100% sure he is scum.

I will do the responsible thing: give time to Feeres to post his thoughts and give a possible CitizenHockey a chance to defend.

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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 4:17 am

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After rereading some of the posts Serial wrote, it would still seem reasonable to lynch Hockey. I haven't had the time to go through them in good detail, I'm for the weekend very busy with other things. I can only promise that the analysis comes on Monday.
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 6:05 am

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Tenchi wrote:I'm not stupid Kikuchiyo.

If I hammer now, I will be suspected of quickening the day again without giving Feeres a chance to do what he was supposed to do.

If I hammer later, you suspect me of being with Hockey, as if you are 100% sure he is scum.

I will do the responsible thing: give time to Feeres to post his thoughts and give a possible CitizenHockey a chance to defend.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I think shes more talking about not voting earlier, now it does make sense for you not to vote.
2. I feel hammering because except for the OMGUS vote Hockey gave, he has no alternate reasons.
Its not an omgus vote, as I've said before (and the same thing happened with the CJ lynch) I dislike the fact that Hero took up so much time arguing with you which did nothing for the town as a whole. Now he is focusing soley on me just like he did with Tenchi earlier. Not bothering to figure out a scum buddy except for what he has already said about Tenchi. Now that Tenchi is already suspected hes going to push for a lynch of me, and then a lynch of Tenchi, I would be amazed if something different didn't happen.
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 9:34 am

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Hockeyruler wrote: Now that Tenchi is already suspected hes going to push for a lynch of me, and then a lynch of Tenchi, I would be amazed if something different didn't happen.
Lynching you if you are town would end the game. Looks like a scumslip. Are you fingering your partner here?
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 1:08 pm

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Sorry I haven't been able to post, been busy with finals and stuff.
Its not an omgus vote, as I've said before (and the same thing happened with the CJ lynch) I dislike the fact that Hero took up so much time arguing with you which did nothing for the town as a whole. Now he is focusing soley on me just like he did with Tenchi earlier. Not bothering to figure out a scum buddy except for what he has already said about Tenchi. Now that Tenchi is already suspected hes going to push for a lynch of me, and then a lynch of Tenchi, I would be amazed if something different didn't happen.
Did nothing for the town? So what have you done for the town so far? And nice scumslip(as kiku pointed out).

Anyways I think its pretty obvious hockey is scum. He's been given more than enough time to defend himself, and no one disagrees. Someone should hammer.
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 2:39 pm

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Unvote, Vote: Hockeyruler


That's back to L-1. I agree with the hammer. Good luck tonight!
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2009 2:01 am

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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2009 3:29 am

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well it seems that you all will have to spare me till friday :D

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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Tue May 26, 2009 8:32 pm

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Feeres wrote:After rereading some of the posts Serial wrote, it would still seem reasonable to lynch Hockey. I haven't had the time to go through them in good detail, I'm for the weekend very busy with other things. I can only promise that the analysis comes on Monday.
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2009 10:36 pm

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Tenchi wrote:
Feeres wrote:After rereading some of the posts Serial wrote, it would still seem reasonable to lynch Hockey. I haven't had the time to go through them in good detail, I'm for the weekend very busy with other things. I can only promise that the analysis comes on Monday.
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I'll hammer Hockey tomorrow when Vel-Rahn Koon gets back, just in case there is something people still have left to say so waiting for the mod to come back before hammering. If he isn't scum and the two scum players are for example kiku and Hero, I'll have to say it was a damn well played game by the mafia compared to town.
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2009 1:12 am

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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2009 5:33 am

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With nothing more to add, I'll hammer as I said.

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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2009 1:32 pm

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