Open 147: Vengeful 5P - Game Over before 792

[Paradoxombie]

Lol, sorry, wrong game. I got it confused because Zwet is in the other.

[Paradoxombie]

Well, in other mafia games, L-1s on Page 1 or 2 usually aren't acceptable. I guess it would be normal in a two player game though.

You seem quiet. You don't have any opinion on the interactions of the past 2 pages besides that it's "acceptable"?

[Empking]

Charter: That quote doesn't say I've noted or invented a contradiction. Its asking you whether or not you're calling me scummy because you thought I noted a contradiction from you. Try again.

[Khamisa]

It seems everyone else was edgy about the L-1s too. I don't know if this will be a temporary thing or if this will continue the entire game.

[Paradoxombie]

It seems everyone else was edgy about the L-1s too. I don't know if this will be a temporary thing or if this will continue the entire game.

But you don't seem at all interested in Charter's interaction with Empking and ODDin. They are both very strange in my opinion, so you ignoring them except as worthy of concern seems abnormal.

unvote, vote:Khamisa

[ODDin]

Khamisa - we also had L-1 on page 1. I myself pointed out that I don't like that, but in a 5 player game it's sort of inevitable. Also, we did have some discussion going, so L-1 seems more reasonable right now.
However, I agree with Para - if you're trying to make a point with the L-1, make it. Pondering out loud if L-1s are acceptable without actually pointing fingers doesn't go anywhere.

Also, if anyone understands what the hell is going on between charter and empking, I'd appreciate an explanation. It seems that charter thought empking was trying to accuse him even before any accusation was actually presented, which seems very defensive at this point. However, it also seems that's related to the charter-empking meta on the whole, which makes it pretty hard for me to base any cases on this.

[Empking]

Khamisa - we also had L-1 on page 1. I myself pointed out that I don't like that, but in a 5 player game it's sort of inevitable. Also, we did have some discussion going, so L-1 seems more reasonable right now.
However, I agree with Para - if you're trying to make a point with the L-1, make it. Pondering out loud if L-1s are acceptable without actually pointing fingers doesn't go anywhere.

Also, if anyone understands what the hell is going on between charter and empking, I'd appreciate an explanation. It seems that charter thought empking was trying to accuse him even before any accusation was actually presented, which seems very defensive at this point. However, it also seems that's related to the charter-empking meta on the whole, which makes it pretty hard for me to base any cases on this.

I don't recall actually playing in the same game as him, before.

[charter]

I know I've played in at least one game with you, and you infuriated players with your craplogic and nonsense.

[Empking]

I know I've played in at least one game with you, and you infuriated players with your craplogic and nonsense.

What game?

[charter]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 73#1476373
Here is one, CKD shares his feelings post game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9432
Another game I've played in with Empking

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8937
Oh wow, ANOTHER game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8707
Flaked out of this one...

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9557
Another game I've played in with you.

There's probably more too, but I just stopped looking.
So, basically, your claim of never remembering to play in a game with me is complete and total bullshit for the sole reason of undermining me with crap attacks because you are scum and you need to try something.

My vote isn't going to move unless I'm able to find your partner and determine which of you two is the GF.

[Paradoxombie]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 73#1476373
Here is one, CKD shares his feelings post game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9432
Another game I've played in with Empking

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8937
Oh wow, ANOTHER game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8707
Flaked out of this one...

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9557
Another game I've played in with you.

There's probably more too, but I just stopped looking.
So, basically, your claim of never remembering to play in a game with me is complete and total bullshit for the sole reason of undermining me with crap attacks because you are scum and you need to try something.

My vote isn't going to move unless I'm able to find your partner and determine which of you two is the GF.

Personally I find your claim of having nothing against Empking bullshit. I think your case is personal more than logical because it has so quickly accelerated. If you know his playstyle is so disfavored, why do you assume he's scum based on it? Shouldn't you of all people expect this after all your experiences with him? This looks more to me like scum knowing a player will appear scummy because of their playstyle, but jumping on too early hoping a bandwagon will form.

[ODDin]

I highly second Para. Roles aren't distributed based on meta. What you're saying is exactly why you should be

protecting

empking, advocating that what others may see as tells are, in fact, null-tells in view of his playing style.
I also don't like you being so sure of empking. This is quite ridiculous.

We should be able to think clearly and lucidly. A mislynch today may spell our loss in the game, so I'd expect you to be more serious about it.

[zwetschenwasser]

My ancient tallying scroll reveals the following statistics:

Paradoxombie(1)-Khamisa
Oddin(1)-Paradoxombie
Empking(1)-charter
charter(1)-Empking
Khamisa(1)-Paradoxombie

[Empking]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 73#1476373
Here is one, CKD shares his feelings post game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9432
Another game I've played in with Empking

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8937
Oh wow, ANOTHER game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8707
Flaked out of this one...

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9557
Another game I've played in with you.

.

Wow, that's a lot of games.

[charter]

Lynch Empking now?

[Empking]

Lynch Empking now?

Whgy am I scum?

[ODDin]

Charter, you're seriously beginning to annoy. Yes, Empking hasn't been acting at his best right now. He lied about your games together, or forgot, either way, strange.
However, are you really that sure that he is scum? You have advocated yourself that his playing style is strange on the whole. Which means that you, of all people, should be saying he might not be scum but just playing weird.

I don't see nearly enough evidence that Empking is scum. If empking is town and you are indeed town, you must realise that empking will most likely kill you for his revenge - effectively losing us the game.

So, what I see is you attempting to lynch a player very early in a game, while understanding that if it's a mistake it spells the loss of the game.

unvote, vote: charter

[Empking]

Charter, you're seriously beginning to annoy. Yes, Empking hasn't been acting at his best right now. He lied about your games together, or forgot, either way, strange.

They were months ago. I don't remember what games I played in months ago let alone who with.

[zwetschenwasser]

My ancient tallying scroll reveals the following statistics:

Paradoxombie(1)-Khamisa
Empking(1)-charter
charter(2)-ODDin, Empking
Khamisa(1)-Paradoxombie

Khamisa, more activity please.

Deadline 5/29/09

[Empking]

Paradox has two votes.

[zwetschenwasser]

What are you talking about?

[charter]

Lynch Empking now?

Whgy am I scum?

I already said.

So, basically, your claim of never remembering to play in a game with me is complete and total bullshit for the sole reason of undermining me with crap attacks because you are scum and you need to try something.

However, are you really that sure that he is scum?

I'm pretty sure. What scumhunting has he done this game? What has he done this game at all that has any value to the town? Nothing at all.

I don't see nearly enough evidence that Empking is scum. If empking is town and you are indeed town, you must realise that empking will most likely kill you for his revenge - effectively losing us the game.

So, what I see is you attempting to lynch a player very early in a game, while understanding that if it's a mistake it spells the loss of the game.

This is some really poor logic. I understand that if Empking is lynched and he is town, then he can vig town. You completely discount the possibility of Empking being scum, why is this?


@All, look at Empking's contributions since I showed some games we were in. He's not doing a damn thing, despite posting plenty. Why is this do you think?

[ODDin]

charter: you misquoted, it's me you're quoting, not Para.

This is some really poor logic. I understand that if Empking is lynched and he is town, then he can vig town. You completely discount the possibility of Empking being scum, why is this?

I don't disregard the possibility that he is scum. I agree that his behaviour is somewhat suspicious. However, I don't think it's enough suspicious enough to be all that sure that he's scum, especially in light of what you said about him acting strange and using poor logic all the time - which reduces the value of your arguments against him significantly.

However, what you're saying isn't just "I'm suspicious of empking", it's "can it be empking killing taim now plx" - and I think you must realise that the arguments against him aren't nearly strong enough for that. Yes, he's suspicious. But a lynch on him *right now*, with the amount of information we have *right now*, is a very stupid thing to do.

[Paradoxombie]

It looks to me as if charter is distancing from empking.

[Empking]

Lynch Empking now?

Whgy am I scum?

I already said.

So, basically, your claim of never remembering to play in a game with me is complete and total bullshit for the sole reason of undermining me with crap attacks because you are scum and you need to try something.

So I'm scum for not remembering that we were in a game together months ago.