Open 147: Vengeful 5P - Game Over before 792

[Empking]

/Confirm

Bring It

[Empking]

Vote: Charter

OMGUS

[Empking]

Well, I kind of equate lack of scumtell to towntell. That's probably some logical falacy though.

So you think going

Confirm

Is a town tell?

[Empking]

Well, I kind of equate lack of scumtell to towntell. That's probably some logical falacy though.

So you think going

Confirm

Is a town tell?

No, you're not going to start pulling your nonsense in this game. I never said anything like this, I'm not even talking about you.

So you think people shouldn't respond, react or note things that aren't directed at them?

[Empking]

Well, I kind of equate lack of scumtell to towntell. That's probably some logical falacy though.

So you think going

Confirm

Is a town tell?

No, you're not going to start pulling your nonsense in this game. I never said anything like this, I'm not even talking about you.

So you think people shouldn't respond, react or note things that aren't directed at them?

Nooooooooooo. This is not what I said at all. I have no clue at all, where you get that "Confirm" means that I think that's a towntell. Nowhere did I say or imply anything like this. You're now asking a leading question, where if I say yes, then you'll say "OMG SCUM". If I say no, then you'll twist what I've said to make a contradiction.

So you're calling me scummy because I've noted a contradiction from you and you refuse to confront it?

Am I right in thinking that you deny posting this?

Well, I kind of equate lack of scumtell to towntell. That's probably some logical falacy though

[Empking]

So you're calling me scummy because I've noted a contradiction from you and you refuse to confront it?

I'm calling you scummy because you invented your contradiction.

What contradiction?

Am I right in thinking that you deny posting this?

I posted that. You're trying to twist it.

No, I'm not.

You admit to saying this:

Well, I kind of equate lack of scumtell to towntell. That's probably some logical falacy though

I asked for clarification and you acted incredibly defensive.

[Empking]

Charter: That quote doesn't say I've noted or invented a contradiction. Its asking you whether or not you're calling me scummy because you thought I noted a contradiction from you. Try again.

[Empking]

Khamisa - we also had L-1 on page 1. I myself pointed out that I don't like that, but in a 5 player game it's sort of inevitable. Also, we did have some discussion going, so L-1 seems more reasonable right now.
However, I agree with Para - if you're trying to make a point with the L-1, make it. Pondering out loud if L-1s are acceptable without actually pointing fingers doesn't go anywhere.

Also, if anyone understands what the hell is going on between charter and empking, I'd appreciate an explanation. It seems that charter thought empking was trying to accuse him even before any accusation was actually presented, which seems very defensive at this point. However, it also seems that's related to the charter-empking meta on the whole, which makes it pretty hard for me to base any cases on this.

I don't recall actually playing in the same game as him, before.

[Empking]

I know I've played in at least one game with you, and you infuriated players with your craplogic and nonsense.

What game?

[Empking]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 73#1476373
Here is one, CKD shares his feelings post game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9432
Another game I've played in with Empking

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8937
Oh wow, ANOTHER game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8707
Flaked out of this one...

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9557
Another game I've played in with you.

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Wow, that's a lot of games.

[Empking]

Lynch Empking now?

Whgy am I scum?

[Empking]

Charter, you're seriously beginning to annoy. Yes, Empking hasn't been acting at his best right now. He lied about your games together, or forgot, either way, strange.

They were months ago. I don't remember what games I played in months ago let alone who with.

[Empking]

Paradox has two votes.

[Empking]

Lynch Empking now?

Whgy am I scum?

I already said.

So, basically, your claim of never remembering to play in a game with me is complete and total bullshit for the sole reason of undermining me with crap attacks because you are scum and you need to try something.

So I'm scum for not remembering that we were in a game together months ago.

[Empking]

It looks to me as if charter is distancing from empking.

You're more than welcome to think this. Obviously I am not the GF, so go ahead and vote for Empking.

If we're distancing you'd definately be the GF.

[Empking]

Mod, a prod on Khamisa?

she seems to have just drifted away as attention fell elsewhere. I fear replacement will be necessary.

It looks to me as if charter is distancing from empking.

You're more than welcome to think this. Obviously I am not the GF, so go ahead and vote for Empking.

If we're distancing you'd definately be the GF.

Interesting. Charter, you say you're not the Godfather. This implies that you know your behavior is risky and/or strange. That seems odd for a townie in such a perilous game.

Empking, you say charter is the GF. This implies the same for you. That you think you are acting in an attention getting way, allowing yourself to be lynched for charter.

No its just that Charter is more persuasive than me.

[Empking]

Mod, a prod on Khamisa?

she seems to have just drifted away as attention fell elsewhere. I fear replacement will be necessary.

It looks to me as if charter is distancing from empking.

You're more than welcome to think this. Obviously I am not the GF, so go ahead and vote for Empking.

If we're distancing you'd definately be the GF.

Interesting. Charter, you say you're not the Godfather. This implies that you know your behavior is risky and/or strange. That seems odd for a townie in such a perilous game.

Empking, you say charter is the GF. This implies the same for you. That you think you are acting in an attention getting way, allowing yourself to be lynched for charter.

No its just that Charter is more persuasive than me.

But that at least suggest that YOU find his arguments persuasive or compelling. I think that is more common for scum.

When I've seen him play in other games they are compelling. Not in this game though. (Probably because he's wrong and he knows it.)

[Empking]

Mod, a prod on Khamisa?

she seems to have just drifted away as attention fell elsewhere. I fear replacement will be necessary.

It looks to me as if charter is distancing from empking.

You're more than welcome to think this. Obviously I am not the GF, so go ahead and vote for Empking.

If we're distancing you'd definately be the GF.

Interesting. Charter, you say you're not the Godfather. This implies that you know your behavior is risky and/or strange. That seems odd for a townie in such a perilous game.

Empking, you say charter is the GF. This implies the same for you. That you think you are acting in an attention getting way, allowing yourself to be lynched for charter.

No its just that Charter is more persuasive than me.

But that at least suggest that YOU find his arguments persuasive or compelling. I think that is more common for scum.

When I've seen him play in other games they are compelling. Not in this game though. (Probably because he's wrong and he knows it.)

How can you have a meta on a player you don't even remember?

I read games I'm not in.

[Empking]

No quote pyramids, please.

Why not?

[Empking]

What makes up a QP?

[Empking]

VC?

[Empking]

Empking, you may be alot more active than Khamisa, but you've been pretty silent about your own opinions. You OMGUS voted charter but besides that, have done little but defend yourself.

unvote, vote:Empking

You think I should defend myself against a random vote? And that I'm scum for not doing so?

[Empking]

Empking, you may be alot more active than Khamisa, but you've been pretty silent about your own opinions. You OMGUS voted charter but besides that, have done little but defend yourself.

unvote, vote:Empking

You think I should defend myself against a random vote? And that I'm scum for not doing so?

No, I think you're scum because that's almost all you've done.

So I didn't ask the questions/respond to Charter that caused Charter to act overdefensive?

[Empking]

Empking, you may be alot more active than Khamisa, but you've been pretty silent about your own opinions. You OMGUS voted charter but besides that, have done little but defend yourself.

unvote, vote:Empking

You think I should defend myself against a random vote? And that I'm scum for not doing so?

No, I think you're scum because that's almost all you've done.

So I didn't ask the questions/respond to Charter that caused Charter to act overdefensive?

[Empking]

Sorry, Mem day weekend.

Empking, it'd be helpful if you explained your reasoning on wanting to lynch charter.

He's overdefensive and seems absolutely certain with no evidence but then changes him mind on who he wants to lynch.

[Empking]

charter - what you're saying is true, we need all three of us to lynch scum. However, I don't really like how certain you are of who the scum are at this point.
What you're saying about Khamisa is correct. However, she's behaving the exact same way in another game I'm playing with her right now. Sure, she might be scum in both, but it still speaks in her favour. Yes, it's very poor play, but not necessarily scummy.
I don't like Empking either. He's done quite little scumhunting - the one shallow argument against you (charter) doesn't really count. But again, charter, you've said yourself he's playing like that in all of his games, so this makes it less obvious he's scum. If he plays this way even when he's town, then your argument is something of a null-tell.
.

Quiote where you've scum hunted.

[Empking]

I'm voting Charter unless I have to change.

[Empking]

Is that a lynch?

[Empking]

If Empking is scum I'll be looking at Khamisa next. If Charter is scum, then maybe Empking

So I'm scum whatever?

[Empking]

I don't much like this setup. I read the wiki when there was confusion at the Day 1/Day 2 stage and noticed I done the "lynch your partner to appear town" thing kinda.

This setup is far too WIFOMy. It's mostly luck, and it's especially hard for town if there are good scum, and that's not what me and Empking were.

I was awesome.

[Empking]

^
Jealous