Mini 775 - Hammersmouth Is Under Attack! (Game over)

[Tarballs]

Mod, if the gunsmith is given a bullet, can he vig the same night that the bullet is given to him? Or does he have to discover that he has the bullet before he can vig, effectively postponing the use of the bullet to the following night?

The Gunsmith would need to wait until the next night to be able to use a bullet.

3rd Vote Count of Day 3

2 - Sotty7

(iamausername, Artem)

1 - iamausername

(Xtoxm)

5 - Not Voting

(Percy, Pablo Molinero, Farkshinsoup, Sotty7, kabenon007)


With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Deadline: May 28th, 2009

[Artem]

Xtomx can confirm that Fark used an ability.

He's already done it last night. Xtox should target Kabe to make sure that he gets no result, thus confirming that IAM is a jailer.

If Fark gets a guilty on Pablo, we lynch Pablo.

Bodyguards carry guns, so Fark-townie will get a guilty on Pablo-townie. Fark should target me.

[Farkshinsoup]

Artem, I did not say that - please check your quotes.

[Artem]

Sorry, both quotes are from percy.

[Percy]

Xtomx can work as a roleblocker - he tracks someone, and if they perform an action, they're scum.

I'll rethink everything, though. I agree that Fark could be scum with someone else, so I want to get the best plan possible happening.

[Percy]

This plan works if IAAUN's block doesn't prevent Artem from getting a list of names. From the way it's phrased, I'd say that Artem doesn't have an ability that IAAUN could block, he simply gets a list of people who targetted him the next day - but I'll still ask:

@Mod: If a Jailkeeper were to target a Self-Watcher, whose power trumps whose?

The latest plan (and I think it's pretty good):

We lynch Sotty.

Xtomx tracks kabe
IAAUN blocks Artem
Percy passes to Artem
Fark investigates kabe or Percy
Pablo protects Artem


Thus Xtomx can confirm that kabe has no night action, and Artem will get three names, so if there's an NK then Fark is scum. If Artem doesn't get one of the names, or is NKed himself, we also know where the scum are. Fark's investigation will only help any cases that result, and if the scumteam is part-Fark and they forgo their night kill to avoid implicating Fark, apart from "yay" we also force him to claim an investigation result on either kabe or myself, and having delayed LyLo we can lynch him for investigate results that turn out to be false.

[Xtoxm]

I'm pretty sure that would block him.

[Xtoxm]

In the east, it would prevent the others form showing up on the list.

[Xtoxm]

least*

[Percy]

EBWOP: Damnit, I think I know what the answer will be. The Jailkeeper text is more explicit than I thought. I'll ask a better question:

@Mod: If a

Mafia Roleblocker

were to target a Self-Watcher, whose power trumps whose?

If the answer is "Self-Watcher trumps Roleblocker", then IAAUN is confirmed.


Anyway,

*screws up his paper, starts again from scratch*

Xtomx tracks kabe
Pablo protects Artem
Percy passes to Artem
Fark investigates Percy or kabe
IAAUN blocks Fark

Fark and IAAUN will be the only ones who can perform the NK, but IAAUN can't anyone but Fark, and Fark can't claim a guilty unless IAAUN dies.

If they're scum together, they may kill Xtomx to make kabe appear scum, but won't be able to claim a guilty. IAAUN may block Pablo (most likely), myself or Artem to implicate us, but our innocence after a lynch will get them killed. The only concern is if Sotty is town and we can't afford a mislynch tomorrow; then we might just have to figure it out the old-fashioned way.

If Fark is scum with kabe, Xtomx and IAAUN will prevent any mafia shenanigans.

If Fark is scum with Pablo, IAAUN and Artem will take care of the mafia.

If the scumteam is two of Pablo, kabe or myself, then Xtomx and Artem will be able to confirm what they were doing.


It's got that one damned Fark/IAAUN snag. I can't completely break the system, and I've tried for a good while, so I'll leave it there - does anyone have any better ideas? Is there something I've missed?

[Percy]

EBWOP: IAAUN can't

block

anyone, and Fark can't claim a guilty unless IAAUN is NKed, but that would be impossible as Fark himself would have to have done it!

[Xtoxm]

An RB would block Artem..

[Xtoxm]

The only thing that seperates Artem form any other power role, is that he doesn't send the mod an action. If I were to target him, I would get that he didn't visit anyone.

[Xtoxm]

And your plan doesn't seem to great.

Tbh, it might be best if we got away from this and started scumhunting.

I mean, Kab has lurked through this entire period of trying to figure out a plan. I find that scummy, even if it would mean there's only 3 VT's.

And tbh, Iam and Fark are town...

[kabenon007]

The entire time of thinking up a plan has happened in the course of a day and a half, roughly. I'd hardly consider that to be lurking. Besides, studying for finals>checking mafia games everyday. I like the plan as set by Percy, because it makes sense to me and involves me not dying.

Vote: Sotty7

[Xtoxm]

The other plan involved you being jailed, what was wrong with that?

[Tarballs]

@Mod: If a Jailkeeper were to target a Self-Watcher, whose power trumps whose?

@Mod: If a

Mafia Roleblocker

were to target a Self-Watcher, whose power trumps whose?

In both cases the Self-Watcher would not not see anyone visiting them.

[Xtoxm]

I just looked over Sotty. He voted Kirr when CJ was at L-1 an had refused to claim. And he blows his own trumpet about his vote against Kirr today.

[Xtoxm]

Mod: If a Jailer targetted a Mafia RB, who was the last one alive, and had blocked said Jailer, and killed someone else, what would happen?

If a Mafia RB blocks a Jailer, and kills the person the Jailer is targetting, what happens? (the latter question for both the situation where the RB is the last scum, and if his partner is making the kill)

Sorry if this has been asked before.

[Tarballs]

Mod: If a Jailer targetted a Mafia RB, who was the last one alive, and had blocked said Jailer, and killed someone else, what would happen?

If a Mafia RB blocks a Jailer, and kills the person the Jailer is targetting, what happens? (the latter question for both the situation where the RB is the last scum, and if his partner is making the kill)

In both cases the kill would go through.

[Xtoxm]

If Jailer jailed the RB, and the RB blocks someone else, is the RB's block sucessful?

[Percy]

If the mafia RBed Artem, then Xtomx could confirm kabe, and IAAUN and Fark could confirm each other.

If IAAUN and Fark are the scumteam, then if IAAUN blocked Artem, Fark would be the one giving the kill. They would probably kill Xtomx to prevent kabe being confirmed. Fark couldn't claim a result, but we'd start tomorrow with either Fark/IAAUN as the scumteam, or two of Pablo, Percy or kabe.

If two of Pablo, Percy and kabe are the scumteam, then if they block Artem, the other one has to send in the kill. If kabe is scum, Xtomx will die. If Percy and Pablo are the scumteam, they might kill Xtomx to implicate kabe. They won't NK IAAUN, because Fark will get an investigate off, they won't NK Artem... in fact, under my current plan, if Sotty is innocent, Xtomx is almost certainly the mafia NK target.

Goddamn it! My plan is solid if Sotty is scum, but if he's not, Artem will be blocked and Xtomx will be NKed. My power will be useless in confirming anything, Fark's investigate will be suspicious and since we'd be in lylo we couldn't lynch him if he's scum.

Conclusion: If Sotty is scum, we've got the game in the bag. If he's not, the setup is solid - I can't find an optimal strategy (I tried a few more times just then, still no luck) that doesn't end with a dead townie and no reliable info.

Therefore, I advise anyone voting for Sotty to do something like what I've suggested that you stop now. Whoever has night actions should use them at their own discretion. Hopefully being unpredictable will give the town the edge when it comes to going over our night action info tomorrow.

I still like the "Sotty is mafia RBer who got blocked last night by IAAUN" idea, but I think I have to get out of this analytical headspace and re-read the game.

[Tarballs]

If Jailer jailed the RB, and the RB blocks someone else, is the RB's block sucessful?

No.

[Xtoxm]

If Sotty is the Maf RB,

PM protect Artem
Iam jail me
Fark check Kab
Percy pass Artem

Pretty sure town can't lose that.

[Farkshinsoup]

ok so,

vote: sotty

. I'd like to hear sotty try to convince us that she's not scum.